Is it too soon for the 2025 coach thread?
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Ya people that think Pearl, Oats, Drew etc are leaving their cushy jobs to come coach IU have lost their freaking minds. There will be a day in time where Woodson is no longer the coach and a search will take place. And that search will ultimately net a hire that will be met with boos and animosity. And it'll be from the sect of the crowd that gives this great and passionate fan base a bad name. And that's unfortunate.
Soooo delusional! Your pattrrn is apparent! He nailed it about you... Except for Ivy Tech you were down in the hills of Kentucky.
Are you serious?...not comfortable posting up?...lmao..wow that's dumb. Maybe you should watch some tape
It's the same shit...the name doesn't matter. You want to fire Woodson 2 games into the season?..cool...do it...let's see how it works out. And when the new coach comes...everyone here will still bitch,before he has ever coached a game. IU "fans" are pathetic pos losers with no life,that's why the players hate you.
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Miller Kopp's podcast got its name explicitly for thread titles like this.
Know your geography…it isn’t in the Hills of Kentucky. Also what’s delusional? Woody is 65-40 overall and 31-29 in BIG play. Another bad showing this year and he is gone
You think last year's team was talented enough to win the B1G? The backcourt was terrible, Trey was hurt and other guys under-performed. This year's team couldn't be more different and Mack and Malik look more mature and skilled. In time, Rice and Carlyle will become acclimated to their teammates and we'll really see what we have.
BStupid go back to Boiler land. You’ve been exposed here. How pathetic is it for a Boiler fan to pretend to be an IU fan? Sadder than sad. Your other little cronies appeared to have run along. Be a good little puppy and follow them.
This is how bsmitty08 and the like define their existence... It is hilarious to watch them spew their narrative.
So now you are changing where you claimed you went to college? Lol still winning and building! Oh I forgot.... You're Delusional!
Looking forward to watching Bama go to PU. Despite their struggles, I expect Sears to really bother Smith and Cliff O to have his way. Be fun to watch a Purdue big get in foul trouble or be bullied due to no calls. But, give the Boilers credit: they've flipped the script and I think Mackey is now the toughest place to play (and get calls) in the B10. Also looking forward to how we respond vs USC.
I'd guess the next hire will get good reception and a fair shot. This fanbase was patient with Crean's three very down years of rebuilding. Woody was an out of nowhere hire and he had high approval up until last year’s very bad season. Overall our fans don’t expect that much compared to other large fanbases like UK BB or the big CFB programs. And given the last quarter-century of struggles, it's amazing we still have the support we do. All fanbases have some mad and/or illogical people online, coaches/programs just have to be above it and avoid getting sensitive about what some of the anons are saying.
Agreed...but Crean only got a break because of what happened before him...otherwise they would have wanted him gone after year 1 also.
Who said anything about firing Woodson? See, if you'd read, you at least would have the opportunity to comprehend. I think I'm pretty fair and balanced, but all I've said is that I understand people getting frustrated with Woody, especially when you see the same flaws season after season. Again, if you'd read and answer questions, it would help the dialog. You've been fine with our performance and results under CMW? What grade would you give him as coach?
The coaching and fan climate is no different here, than anywhere that has expectations (expectations Woody has stated he shares and strives for, so I'd say he's been a failure so far even in his own view; hasn't gotten close to competing for titles): win to an acceptable level or fans will be frustrated. You keep up with FSU, or UF fans, heck even Bama? Are they POS too?
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There were several people that wanted Crean gone after year 2, right as Brad Stevens was making his way into the college basketball world. Many the same who think Brad Stevens will still somehow coach here one day. I love IU and their sports programs, but we have way too many fans that are out of touch with reality. You bring up UK and UK's toxicity is the reason why they end up with Mark Pope who was their 4th and 5th choice.
You're confusing end results with talent. The team has always had immense talent, they always fall short of expectations. Every season under CMW. Plus, even if you want to blame talent, that too falls on CMW.
Also? Who wanted Woodson gone after year 1? He had almost everyone's support until last season.
Go find a post post where someone wanted him fired after the first season.
That's the problem. One bad year and the fanbase turns on you creating such a toxic environment. Coaches aren't dumb. It's a huge reason why Scott Drew and Nate Oats said no to Kentucky. Why leave a cushy job where you're already competing at the highest level just to take a pressure cooker job to achieve similar results?
A few people wanted to upgrade to Boy Wonder, including me (once in a lifetime shot!), but most of this group knew that’s tough to pull off after year 2 and were fine continuing with Tom. And overall the fans were good with the rebuild taking time.
UK is quite a bit more toxic that we are. Our fans are mostly nice midwestern people. It can get a little wild online, but I don’t find us to be too bad in the world of big fanbases.
To refine this further, there was immense talent at 2 - 3 key positions. The program has now come to the point where there is much more talent in all positions wuth depth. This means better practices and we shall see better results. The program is moving forward. Some refuse to see it.
Or players... Its not the entire fan base it is vocal contingent doing the ranting...
Well...if you would read the comments from the vast majority of these people that are bitching, you would see that they want him fired. I think the team met expectations in year 1 and 2. They hadn't been to the tournament in 6 years before him, and he went in his first 2 years. Last year was a disappointment, as I have said many times. If I was going to give him a grade,it would probably be in the C+ or B- area. So for anyone to say I'm a fan, or an apologist, is wrong. My logic is this....he's the current coach, and an IU legend. For anyone to say he had a good roster the first 2 years, is asinine. For anyone to think last years team didn't have major holes( due in part to injury to the PG) they are severely challenged when it comes to basketball IQ. Woodson has always liked to play with multiple ball handlers on the floor at the same time. At no point in his tenure, has he been afforded the ability to do that. So why would people call for his firing before he actually gets a chance to play the way he has wanted to since day 1? When you add that, to IU not garnering attention from established coaches, it makes 0 sense,until you see what happens this year. Bitching about 1 half,2 games into the season, is another indictment of this pathetic pos fan base who doesn't know basketball. My 10 year old is better at analysis than most of these pathetic pos losers. It's pathetically bad. As I said before...I have been told my entire life, that IU fans are great, and that they are knowledgeable. That is nowhere near the case. Most are nothing more than inbred moronic pos losers with no life. That's just fact. Still not sorry.
You're underestimating this fanbases' ability to melt down. The failed staged coup by Rabjohns and the Hysterics made national headlines. The February melt down on Trilly's discourse was an utter embarrassment.
Again know your geography…Kentucky hills are not in highland heights. Still building? Sure…rent a player recruiting isn’t going to build a program
Dude I’m not a Purdue fan. I have been on here since Mike Davis days. Never posted on a Boiler forum.
You keep using the term "cushy job". No coach at a HM who wins has a cushy job.
It has, but it hasn't always had a balanced roster. I pray that we have a better starting backcourt than Cupps / Galloway or X / Galloway.
They have what appears to be a much better backcourt than past Woody teams. That said, this is the no excuses season.
I would disagree that we're running the same things as last year. We are playing with one big on the floor more, and I could be wrong, but I did not see much of the 4 out 1 in pinch post stuff that we've gone to quite a bit this year much at all last year. I could've just missed it but we ran in a bunch in the second half against SIUE and went to it quite a few times against EIU as well.
We are still running alot of the high low stuff with 2 bigs on the floor. I am not totally against the high low stuff, but we have to shoot it better for that offense to be effective.
The "also" was a typo. But your comment..."he had almost everyone's support until last season"....that proves my point even further. 1 season...and in that season, your starting PG was hurt for part of, and then played like ass when he returned, that warrants firing? Your best pg last year, isn't even starting for the team this year....but we should fire the coach because of last year?....wow that makes 0 sense.
It is in today's NCAA... Ask Cignetti and the program is building much to your dismay...your rants have been reduced to one half of basketball on a 90-58 win. Highland Heights sounds like a raised elevation to me. So glad you are back to claiming NKU... You should be supporting them or did you have a bad experience there?
In fairness, the team melted down first. Fans reacted to that.
I just can’t name a big fanbase that behaves better than IU. The melt downs aren’t good, but the alternative is no one cares enough to melt down, and that would be worse.
The fans are pretty big net positive to IUBB. With a big fanbase comes some angry online anons, not sure what can be done about that, except to own the results, hunker down, and win.
So Carlyle and Rice are "rent a players" ? They're sophomores. Think a bit before posting.
I wish the low man would look at the weak side corner once in awhile. That player is consistently open.
And, who's responsible for getting the talent to play the way he wants; or for adjusting when he doesn't? If he wants multiple ball handlers, he hasn't recruited well at all. Year 2 was TJD, JHS, XJ, MK and RT... that was a pretty talented team with players he mostly brought in, one AA and 2 future pros. Was that the year we finished a distant 2nd tied with NW. You think NW had similar talent? Last year was certainly a talented enough roster to make the tourney, and again, who's to blame for the lack for backcourt players? That was too thin before XJ went down. I would probably give CMW a B or even B+ for recruiting with the talent level he's gotten, but a D or D- in roster construction. This year I think he has assembled a very talented roster. I also understand fan's concerns when the same issues crop up and why that indicts the coach instead of the players.
I agree with you and @PhyloeBedoe about this .. he's had talent, but on unbalanced teams with ill-fitting or missing pieces. Which is ultimately his fault..
We'll know more this year. If he can't be competitive with this squad he needs to go.
This is really a silly thread. Not b/c it’s about MW, but the idea that people are judging him on one half of basketball:
Final KP ratings the last 6 years
2024. 91 (MW)
2023. 30 (MW)
2022. 48 (MW)
2021. 50 (miller - fired)
2020. 34 (Miller)
2019. 52 (miller)
Now, KP ratings don’t tell the whole story, however anyone who defends coach MW and in the same breath says we were a dumpster fire under Miller isn’t looking closely enough.
Final KP ratings the last 6 years
2024. 91 (MW)
2023. 30 (MW)
2022. 48 (MW)
2021. 50 (miller - fired)
2020. 34 (Miller)
2019. 52 (miller)
Now, KP ratings don’t tell the whole story, however anyone who defends coach MW and in the same breath says we were a dumpster fire under Miller isn’t looking closely enough.
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