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Is it time to stick a fork in DeSantis?

I live in Florida now.. During the height of covid DeSantis was dismissing wearing masks and telling municipalities that their fines not wearing masks could not be enforced. He even told minors at school rallies to take their masks off. Yet he never asked answered the question as to whether he had a vaccination.

I question the existence of God because Trump and DeSantis are not dead.
Wow! Have any of you ever even picked up a King James Bible and read it? I'm sure it was short lived. When you read that version, you're not reading it, It's reading you. Uggghhh
 
I live in Florida now.. During the height of covid DeSantis was dismissing wearing masks and telling municipalities that their fines not wearing masks could not be enforced. He even told minors at school rallies to take their masks off. Yet he never asked answered the question as to whether he had a vaccination.

I question the existence of God because Trump and DeSantis are not dead.

Yes, using common sense is obviously beyond you. Attempting to put school kids in masks was peak stupidity.

Mask fines? Lol.
 
I don’t expect that. I expect the Republicans to respond maturely and logically as serious people do. Reagan would not approve of Trumpster style politics and he was no pushover.
The world is a lot different now than it was back then Aloha. Maturely and logically does not exist. Thank Obama and Biden. Trump asked black people why not? They put their faith in him and he gave them the lowest black unemployment ever and tried to bring them out of slavery (welfare and food stamps) and did. Now its gone back years. Its awful! I'm bout done tonight, I got a flu victim obviously. Keep bringing it I'll respond when I can
 
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The world is a lot different now than it was back then Aloha. Maturely and logically does not exist. Thank Obama and Biden. Trump asked black people why not? They put their faith in him and he gave them the lowest black unemployment ever and tried to bring them out of slavery (welfare and food stamps) and did. Now its gone back years. Its awful! I'm bout done tonight, I got a flu victim obviously. Keep bringing it I'll respond when I can

Since your a mentally dysfunctional individual, this is probably a waste.

Here is the AA unemployment rate data. I highly doubt you are smart enough to read it. A Twitter bot is more your speed.

 
Not at all selective. I’ve called out Dems for that, for the insults on GWB, McCain, Romney, Ryan, Palin, and on and on. Incivility is a big problem in our politics. It used to be predominantly on the left and now it’s at least as much on the right. I don’t think that equates to “winning.”
I didn't follow politics prior to Clinton but don't really agree it was predominantly on the left since then.

Some on the right were pretty nasty with both Clinton and Obama.

The nastiness Trump has brought into politics has been a whole new level from either side imo and that nastiness was initially directed at other Republicans. Now it seems others are taking his lead in their own campaigns given how his base eats it up.
 
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The world is a lot different now than it was back then Aloha. Maturely and logically does not exist. Thank Obama and Biden. Trump asked black people why not? They put their faith in him and he gave them the lowest black unemployment ever and tried to bring them out of slavery (welfare and food stamps) and did. Now it’s gone back years. Its awful! I'm bout done tonight, I got a flu victim obviously. Keep bringing it I'll respond when I can
Incivility got its modern ugliness with rush and newt. That was the Big Bang
 
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You’re a hyper partisan moron. The stats were unequivocal re risk. Masks were Dem garbage foisted on kids to their detriment. Disgusting and shameful.
I've been thinking of initiating an Post Like Hickory Day, where i respond to political opponents as he does. I think I will do it one day next week.
 
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Incivility got its modern ugliness with rush and newt. That was the Big Bang
You never listened to Dems when Reagan was Prez? Rush was a direct response from that.

How did Newt display 'modern ugliness'? Other than pushing through his successful agenda, which got us a balanced budget by 2000?
 
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I've been thinking of initiating an Post Like Hickory Day, where i respond to political opponents as he does. I think I will do it one day next week.
Dude, you are the last person who should be mocking another poster.
 
1. If you think we should abandon Ukraine and let Russia and the rest of the world know that we won't support democracies against dictatorial regimes, you're a problem. I don't want you in my party.
2. If you think that allowing us to default on our debt while talking about reducing deficits and debt without ever proposing solutions, or think Trump is fit to be President, you're a problem. I don't want you in my party.
3. If you think the 2020 election was stolen, the military is led by Democrats, January 6 was only a mostly peaceful protest, think vaccines are the problem and refuse to acknowledge that Trump cost us the Senate in 2020 and 2022, you're a problem. I don't want you in my party.
4. That's stupid, but if you think that the country is on the edge of ruin and not still the greatest country on the planet, you're a problem. I don't want you in my party.
5. If you're a flying a "F*ck Biden" flag (is that the flag you saluted?) or like to chant, "Let's Go Brandon!", you're the problem. I don't want you in my party.

All the above is disgusting and pervasive among the Trumpsters within my party. If 1 through 5 become the norm in our party, it won't be my party. It'll be yours. Good luck with that.

1. I think you are getting bad information on the actual position of one of the front runners. There isn't the money and material available right now to have a blank check for the protection of every Democracy across the planet. The Middle East debacles have people (rationally) more reticent to just jump right in as the cavalry. There has to be an actual coalition of like minded countries. The U.S. can lead but the idea that we need to be almost the sole protector of the free world is a position that needs adjusted and our allies need to stand up in a real way. I know this is one of the things you think you disagree on with DeSantis, so provided an article that gives what he actually said and doesn't take The Bulwark's (spit) position that DeSantis is the antichrist who is worse than Trump.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ron-desantis-in-the-mainstream-on-ukraine

2. I don't think most really want a default on debt. I do believe that there is worry about the debt and despite lip service the GOP establishment types have done **** all about it. There was a little window in the 90's where Newt forced sex scandal ridden Clinton to get on board but since Bush every President has been pushing debt like a crack dealer. There is no carrot that will work so you have to have a stick. "I believe we are literally driving for a cliff. I think it better to hit this tree than continue on the current path unless you agree to hit the brakes and reverse course." It is a game of chicken. That means if someone doesn't blink, we lose. $31 Trillion and counting. How do you propose we get them to pump the brakes with the understanding that nothing proposed by the Paul Ryan types ever got close to being passed, even when they had the opportunity to do so.

3. I don't think it was stolen. I think things were done in an underhanded way that led to the loss. (They bragged about that in TIME, Biden laptop, etc.) The votes were what they were though. I believe that Trump lost the ballot count. I don't believe Democrats run the military but I believe Austin and Milley suck at their job and should be fired the minute a Republican takes back control. I also believe that the military has been playing way too much in the same leftist, racially tinged intersectional bull shit that we complain about in schools and I could post numerous articles that would show you it actually spreads division in an entity where the only 3 colors that should matter are Red, White, and Blue taken together as one. The left has been spreading their social nonsense into the military and that does impact the desire of people who are not into that to be a part of the organization. We get enough of that damn bull shit out here. The people that this appeals to aren't the people that typically are predisposed to joining the military. You don't attract the people who are into that and you turn off the people who are sick of that shit. I think that is why you see criticism of the military at the moment and it would have come whether Trump existed or not. Support doesn't mean blindly accepting everything an organization does. Real support means pointing out when that organization is going down the wrong path. There are portions of the military doing that and the criticism is valid and warranted. January 6th being labeled a "Peaceful Protest" is a tongue in cheek reference to a pretty glaring double standard. I don't want Trump again in 2024 because I don't think he can win. I think anybody throwing anyone out of a right wing coalition because of support or lack thereof for one (aging) guy is making a colossal miscalculation though.

4. I don't think we are on the right path and I think the current path leads to ruin. I think if we return to the things that made this the best place, we can still have an optimistic future. What we are currently doing isn't that though. So we have to make a course correction. It is hard to argue politically for a course correction if you don't criticize the current path. Reagan was optimistic about our future and what we were, IF we stopped doing what Carter was doing.

5. I don't care about that so much. "Let's Go Brandon" is so tame and I haven't seen an "F Joe Biden" flag in person in forever. However, I stridently made my point the other day that allowing the hecklers veto to the left that has been allowed over basically my entire lifetime has consequences. The right doesn't regularly "fight" to defend themselves. Goat brought up the Unite The Right thing (and I disavow those dudes to begin with) and 1/6. The backlash to that from the left was swift at all levels. From street confrontations to law enforcement action led by a partisan DOJ. I think that the right has two options in front of it. The people who are in charge either need to be more forceful in truly prosecuting leftist bad behavior or they need to be prepared for a reactionary movement. I think that beating heads is terrible discourse. However, I am also sick and tired of people getting harassed anytime someone to the right of Hillary Clinton shows up to speak on a college campus. I am over the hand wringing that our (the right's) leaders do, I want action. They need to take tangible steps to address the behavior or the fed up people will and should respond in kind. 40 years of broken windows, stolen property, shouting down, harassment, beatings....at a certain point it would be nice if the GOP establishment was as bellicose at defending their own supporters as they were about beating Russians in Ukraine.
 
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How did Newt display 'modern ugliness'? Other than pushing through his successful agenda, which got us a balanced budget by 2000?

 
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You’re a hyper partisan moron. The stats were unequivocal re risk. Masks were Dem garbage foisted on kids to their detriment. Disgusting and shameful.

lmao...says the person that bought their hyper partisan propaganda like a good little sheep and failed to use an ounce of common sense.
 
Other than pushing through his successful agenda, which got us a balanced budget by 2000?
So Gingrich gets credit for the last balanced budget? Hilarious. I must have missed his push for tax increases.

"The higher taxes invited pushback from Republicans, who gained majorities in the House and Senate in 1995. Clinton wrangled continually with then-Republican Speaker Newt Gingrich, who forced a government shutdown that same year."

Seriously, are you ever right - - about anything?

 
I've been thinking of initiating an Post Like Hickory Day, where i respond to political opponents as he does. I think I will do it one day next week.

Like i do? lol

Any insult I have thrown out has been nothing more than returning an insult that was thrown at me. Take mcm's post if you want an example. Like you, he thinks insulting others makes him a big boy.
 
Like i do? lol

Any insult I have thrown out has been nothing more than returning an insult that was thrown at me. Take mcm's post if you want an example. Like you, he thinks insulting others makes him a big boy.
No we were sick of dumbasses like you masking kids in school. For wayyyyy too long. Pure evil. Scummy cult pos
 
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lmao...says the person that bought their hyper partisan propaganda like a good little sheep and failed to use an ounce of common sense.
This is super dumb, Hick. It's so dumb it sounds like something cray or mcm would post. It's not danc dumb, but that's a high bar. The only dumb that surpasses that is ftw dumb. That's an impossible level for most humans to reach. ;)
 
This is super dumb, Hick. It's so dumb it sounds like something cray or mcm would post. It's not danc dumb, but that's a high bar. The only dumb that surpasses that is ftw dumb. That's an impossible level for most humans to reach. ;)
Right on cue...Just name calling. Not a valid argument, debate, cross reference, nada. Just name calling. Try using that blank thing you have between your ears for once.
 
This is super dumb, Hick. It's so dumb it sounds like something cray or mcm would post. It's not danc dumb, but that's a high bar. The only dumb that surpasses that is ftw dumb. That's an impossible level for most humans to reach. ;)

True, I shouldn't stoop to their level but it is difficult at times.
 
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"Let's go Brandon" triggers you? Yet you've never spoken out about anyone calling Trump an 'orange turd'.

Your outrage is pretty damn selective.
Where are the F Trump flags? The chants, etc? Oh right. Nowhere. We aren’t a cult that likes to buh cheap, vulgar things from China. And fly five flags from our pickup truck and hang F Biden from the house. While we worry that kids might see a gay person in a library book.
 
Where are the F Trump flags? The chants, etc? Oh right. Nowhere. We aren’t a cult that likes to buh cheap, vulgar things from China. And fly five flags from our pickup truck and hang F Biden from the house. While we worry that kids might see a gay person in a library book.

Everyone should just save some time and put the dream team on ignore. They would likely appreciate just talking to themselves.
 
Where are the F Trump flags? The chants, etc? Oh right. Nowhere. We aren’t a cult that likes to buh cheap, vulgar things from China. And fly five flags from our pickup truck and hang F Biden from the house. While we worry that kids might see a gay person in a library book.
I'm with ya butter cup. That stuff is sick.
 
Where are the F Trump flags? The chants, etc? Oh right. Nowhere. We aren’t a cult that likes to buh cheap, vulgar things from China. And fly five flags from our pickup truck and hang F Biden from the house. While we worry that kids might see a gay person in a library book.
You can't be serious.

No, you don't see that shit now because he hasn't been President for over 2 years. You sure as hell see it every day on social media, so stop your lying.

https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/karen-****-trump-yard-sign-tiktok/
 
1. I think you are getting bad information on the actual position of one of the front runners. There isn't the money and material available right now to have a blank check for the protection of every Democracy across the planet. The Middle East debacles have people (rationally) more reticent to just jump right in as the cavalry. There has to be an actual coalition of like minded countries. The U.S. can lead but the idea that we need to be almost the sole protector of the free world is a position that needs adjusted and our allies need to stand up in a real way. I know this is one of the things you think you disagree on with DeSantis, so provided an article that gives what he actually said and doesn't take The Bulwark's (spit) position that DeSantis is the antichrist who is worse than Trump.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ron-desantis-in-the-mainstream-on-ukraine

2. I don't think most really want a default on debt. I do believe that there is worry about the debt and despite lip service the GOP establishment types have done **** all about it. There was a little window in the 90's where Newt forced sex scandal ridden Clinton to get on board but since Bush every President has been pushing debt like a crack dealer. There is no carrot that will work so you have to have a stick. "I believe we are literally driving for a cliff. I think it better to hit this tree than continue on the current path unless you agree to hit the brakes and reverse course." It is a game of chicken. That means if someone doesn't blink, we lose. $31 Trillion and counting. How do you propose we get them to pump the brakes with the understanding that nothing proposed by the Paul Ryan types ever got close to being passed, even when they had the opportunity to do so.

3. I don't think it was stolen. I think things were done in an underhanded way that led to the loss. (They bragged about that in TIME, Biden laptop, etc.) The votes were what they were though. I believe that Trump lost the ballot count. I don't believe Democrats run the military but I believe Austin and Milley suck at their job and should be fired the minute a Republican takes back control. I also believe that the military has been playing way too much in the same leftist, racially tinged intersectional bull shit that we complain about in schools and I could post numerous articles that would show you it actually spreads division in an entity where the only 3 colors that should matter are Red, White, and Blue taken together as one. The left has been spreading their social nonsense into the military and that does impact the desire of people who are not into that to be a part of the organization. We get enough of that damn bull shit out here. The people that this appeals to aren't the people that typically are predisposed to joining the military. You don't attract the people who are into that and you turn off the people who are sick of that shit. I think that is why you see criticism of the military at the moment and it would have come whether Trump existed or not. Support doesn't mean blindly accepting everything an organization does. Real support means pointing out when that organization is going down the wrong path. There are portions of the military doing that and the criticism is valid and warranted. January 6th being labeled a "Peaceful Protest" is a tongue in cheek reference to a pretty glaring double standard. I don't want Trump again in 2024 because I don't think he can win. I think anybody throwing anyone out of a right wing coalition because of support or lack thereof for one (aging) guy is making a colossal miscalculation though.

4. I don't think we are on the right path and I think the current path leads to ruin. I think if we return to the things that made this the best place, we can still have an optimistic future. What we are currently doing isn't that though. So we have to make a course correction. It is hard to argue politically for a course correction if you don't criticize the current path. Reagan was optimistic about our future and what we were, IF we stopped doing what Carter was doing.

5. I don't care about that so much. "Let's Go Brandon" is so tame and I haven't seen an "F Joe Biden" flag in person in forever. However, I stridently made my point the other day that allowing the hecklers veto to the left that has been allowed over basically my entire lifetime has consequences. The right doesn't regularly "fight" to defend themselves. Goat brought up the Unite The Right thing (and I disavow those dudes to begin with) and 1/6. The backlash to that from the left was swift at all levels. From street confrontations to law enforcement action led by a partisan DOJ. I think that the right has two options in front of it. The people who are in charge either need to be more forceful in truly prosecuting leftist bad behavior or they need to be prepared for a reactionary movement. I think that beating heads is terrible discourse. However, I am also sick and tired of people getting harassed anytime someone to the right of Hillary Clinton shows up to speak on a college campus. I am over the hand wringing that our (the right's) leaders do, I want action. They need to take tangible steps to address the behavior or the fed up people will and should respond in kind. 40 years of broken windows, stolen property, shouting down, harassment, beatings....at a certain point it would be nice if the GOP establishment was as bellicose at defending their own supporters as they were about beating Russians in Ukraine.
Let’s go Brandon actually means “F*ck Joe Biden.” NASCAR fans were chanting “F*ck Joe Biden” after a race won by a driver whose first name was Brandon. The announcer mistakenly said they were chanting “Let’s go Brandon” and since then Trumpsters have been using it as another way to say, “F*ck Joe Biden.” It’s not clever or funny, but they think it is.
 
Let’s go Brandon actually means “F*ck Joe Biden.” NASCAR fans were chanting “F*ck Joe Biden” after a race won by a driver whose first name was Brandon. The announcer mistakenly said they were chanting “Let’s go Brandon” and since then Trumpsters have been using it as another way to say, “F*ck Joe Biden.” It’s not clever or funny, but they think it is.
I know what it meant, but it just did not bother me that much. I am not someone who would be confused with a redneck, but if a bunch of rednecks want to vote for what I think is best for the country too, then hop on. Having a few people be crass or mean about the President has been around as long as I can remember on both sides.
 
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I know what it meant, but it just did not bother me that much. I am not someone who would be confused with a redneck, but if a bunch of rednecks want to vote for what I think is best for the country too, then hop on. Having a few people be crass or mean about the President has been around as long as I can remember on both sides.
This dude does not abide.
 
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Let’s go Brandon actually means “F*ck Joe Biden.” NASCAR fans were chanting “F*ck Joe Biden” after a race won by a driver whose first name was Brandon. The announcer mistakenly said they were chanting “Let’s go Brandon” and since then Trumpsters have been using it as another way to say, “F*ck Joe Biden.” It’s not clever or funny, but they think it is.
I'm not surprised that you are defending buyden here but.
The fact that you totally miss the evolution of event's of the reporter, on the spot, being able to twist that (it was epic good) in real time, and then the populace pick it up and run the ball to the end zone, only proves you have a major stick up your azz.
This is time revered folk art history stuff. BUT it shed a negative light on your china bought and paid for cic (small caps) so you have to defend. Your pretend conservancy is transparent. But if it makes you feel good, then I suppose keep on keepin on.
 
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This dude does not abide.
Basically get two choices and can only monitor your own behavior. There are idiots who vote both ways. Neither party has the high ground when it comes to their supporters so you have to look at vision for the country. I don't like the Progressive (I hate that descriptor, I don't view them that way..)/Democrat vision so I vote for the GOP even though I am not always totally on board with them.
 
I'm not surprised that you are defending buyden here but.
The fact that you totally miss the evolution of event's of the reporter, on the spot, being able to twist that (it was epic good) in real time, and then the populace pick it up and run the ball to the end zone, only proves you have a major stick up your azz.
This is time revered folk art history stuff. BUT it shed a negative light on your china bought and paid for cic (small caps) so you have to defend. Your pretend conservancy is transparent. But if it makes you feel good, then I suppose keep on keepin on.
I’m very much not defending Biden. I’m criticizing the incivility of a loud and obnoxious juvenile minority of my party. It’s an embarrassment.

You don’t have to like the President, and many times I haven’t, but conduct yourself with some dignity and respect the office if not the man. Both sides should do this.
 
I’m very much not defending Biden. I’m criticizing the incivility of a loud and obnoxious juvenile minority of my party. It’s an embarrassment.

You don’t have to like the President, and many times I haven’t, but conduct yourself with some dignity and respect the office if not the man. Both sides should do this.
I think the hypocrisy is blind to you.
Cellophane Republican as I see through you, and I can't even say that I am a "republican", that is just who I am forced to vote for now.
 
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I think the hypocrisy is blind to you.
Cellophane Republican as I see through you, and I can't even say that I am a "republican", that is just who I am forced to vote for now.
Sorry, but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
 
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