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[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You are trying way too hard

To find something to be indignant about.

Just a simple question about how minimum wage hikes affect non- minimum wage jobs for those businesses striving for high quality and dedicated employees.

This isn't difficult. You asked him how a minimum wage hike would affect his business. He told you it would not, because he already paid $15/hour minimum to everyone. So you tried to drag him down some semi-related rabbit hole, and he told you he wasn't going to follow you down there. It's really not that hard to follow.

 

[mjvcaj]

Good for you for realizing you were starting to show signs of a problem and quitting before you became addicted. It doesn't always work out that way. I was young and invincible when I smoked cigs only on the weekend when I was partying. Never thought anything of it. More than fifteen years later, I still have no idea when I actually became a "smoker," i.e., addicted, but it happened.

How are you able to land clients smelling like shit? Serious question. Friend of mine struggled to land a job out of our MBA program b/c he walked into interviews wreaking of smoke.

To me, the single easiest barrier to not becoming dependent on cigs (or any other drug) is money. People need to step back and think about how much money they are blowing supporting unhealthy habits. If that isn't enough to get someone to quit, then again, I have zero sympathy and Darwinism can work its magic.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

How are you able to land clients smelling like shit? Serious question. Friend of mine struggled to land a job out of our MBA program b/c he walked into interviews wreaking of smoke.

To me, the single easiest barrier to not becoming dependent on cigs (or any other drug) is money. People need to step back and think about how much money they are blowing supporting unhealthy habits. If that isn't enough to get someone to quit, then again, I have zero sympathy and Darwinism can work its magic.

I don't generally smoke during the day. A few years back, my boss and I had a meeting and decided to make the restaurant a smoke-free workplace. Since I was trying to quit at the time, I thought it was a great idea. Quitting didn't stick, but my body got so used to going without cigarettes for the first 12 hours after I woke up, that I generally don't crave my first one until after dinner.

Believe me. I know about the money. I can do the math on how much I've spent on cigs in my life. It's not pretty. But, you know what? Smoking is enjoyable. I can also do the math on how much I've spent on beer, or trips to the movies. None of those things are necessary.

Don't get me wrong, I hate being addicted to nicotine. If I could go back in time and change one thing about my life, it would be the first time I gave cigarettes a try. I'd love to do that one over. But I'm not going to lie and pretend I don't enjoy it. I'm getting something for my money - both good and bad.

 

[mjvcaj]

I don't generally smoke during the day

If you can control it this much, are you truly addicted?

 

[Cream&Crimson]

To me, the single easiest barrier to not becoming dependent on cigs (or any other drug) is money. People need to step back and think about how much money they are blowing supporting unhealthy habits. If that isn't enough to get someone to quit, then again, I have zero sympathy and Darwinism can work its magic.

Sure, that could be deterrant for some not to start using addictive substances. It's unfortunately not enough of a motivator once addicted to opioids, though it might be for some with tobacco. And trust me, addicts know how much they're spending on their habit.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

If you can control it this much, are you truly addicted?

Dude...haha. You've apparently not be an addicted smoker either.

I'd recommend just admitting this is a subject you don't have enough personal experience with, nor have read enough about, to weigh in on intelligently.

 

[mjvcaj]

Believe me. I know about the money. I can do the math on how much I've spent on cigs in my life. It's not pretty. But, you know what? Smoking is enjoyable. I can also do the math on how much I've spent on beer, or trips to the movies. None of those things are necessary.

If you enjoy it, than I suppose it is a worthwhile sacrifice from a monetary standpoint. I've moved into the camp of "enjoy it (life) while you can", even if that means sacrificing some of the future safety net. Nothing worse that a conservative financial advisor telling you to save every excess penny for retirement if you aren't enjoying your current life.

 

[mjvcaj]

Dude...haha. You've apparently not be an addicted smoker either.

Of course I haven't. Did you not just see my rant about money and not being able to afford such a habit? I've had cigarettes when I've been drinking, and do enjoy a cigar a few times per year, but immediately realized cigarettes were not in my budget. This sounds like a personal and sensitive matter to you, so I'll refrain from commenting further on the subject and being an ass.

Sure, that could be deterrant for some not to start using addictive substances. It's unfortunately not enough of a motivator once addicted to opioids, though it might be for some with tobacco. And trust me, addicts know how much they're spending on their habit.

I suppose that makes sense, considering the things people are rumored to do for hard drugs (think back alleys).

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

How are you able to land clients smelling like shit? Serious question. Friend of mine struggled to land a job out of our MBA program b/c he walked into interviews wreaking of smoke.

To me, the single easiest barrier to not becoming dependent on cigs (or any other drug) is money. People need to step back and think about how much money they are blowing supporting unhealthy habits. If that isn't enough to get someone to quit, then again, I have zero sympathy and Darwinism can work its magic.

Yeah, that's it. Why don't drug addicts take a step back and rationally think about the personal economic impacts of their addiction? All these psychologists, addiction specialists, and studies over the years overlooked this obviously simple solution. Well done, sir. Next thing you know someone will say "it's all in your mind".

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This isn't difficult. You asked him how a minimum wage hike would affect his business. He told you it would not, because he already paid $15/hour minimum to everyone. So you tried to drag him down some semi-related rabbit hole, and he told you he wasn't going to follow you down there. It's really not that hard to follow.

This isn't difficult. You asked him how a minimum wage hike would affect his business. He told you it would not, because he already paid $15/hour minimum to everyone. So you tried to drag him down some semi-related rabbit hole, and he told you he wasn't going to follow you down there. It's really not that hard to follow.

Confirmed: I live rent free in your head

I know why I paid above the lowest going rate in my business. Just wondered if others might see similar reasons to keep starting wages above minimum. FWIW, I don't think he even thought about this, neither have you.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

If you can control it this much, are you truly addicted?

Yes, I'm sure of it, because in the afternoon, as I build toward going home and having that first smoke (sometimes I have one or two before dinner, especially if I'm hungry and cooking will take a little while), I gradually become more and more of an asshole.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Confirmed: I live rent free in your head

If you lived rent free in my head, I'd respond by banning you for being a thoughtless hack who has beat that same tired line over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

But you don't, and being an uncreative jackass isn't against the rules, so I won't. But please, please, please, please, get this through your thick effing skull. I don't give three giant shits what you think. I was just trying to help you out by explaining to you what should have been obvious to anyone with a third grade education. If you don't want the help, that's your problem.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

If you can control it this much, are you truly addicted?

Addendum: I also smoke a lot in my home office when working at my computer. It helps me focus. So that's probably another solid sign of addiction, too.

 

[dahldc]

Confirmed: I live rent free in your head

I know why I paid above the lowest going rate in my business. Just wondered if others might see similar reasons to keep starting wages above minimum. FWIW, I don't think he even thought about this, neither have you.

Well, that confirms it even more. You are a clown. I have considered it, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what the discussion was about. How obtuse can you be?

You're getting close to joining Ladoga and Dr Hoops in the worst posters club.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Well, that confirms it even more. You are a clown. I have considered it, but it has absolutely nothing to do with what the discussion was about. How obtuse can you be?

You're getting close to joining Ladoga and Dr Hoops in the worst posters club.

Actually

I am interested in how rising minimum wages affects those employers who want to keep entry wages well above the minimum. Do you see any reason to hike your entry level wage if your entry level wage is now the minimum wage? As I suggested elsewhere I would have seen reasons to raise our entry salaries if those wages became the regional minimum. I'd want to deliver the message that we expect more and pay more than minimum wage jobs.

I have no clue why you are being so igndignant about this. What am I missing?

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Of course I haven't. Did you not just see my rant about money and not being able to afford such a habit? I've had cigarettes when I've been drinking, and do enjoy a cigar a few times per year, but immediately realized cigarettes were not in my budget. This sounds like a personal and sensitive matter to you, so I'll refrain from commenting further on the subject and being an ass.

It is a subject that is close to me, but I also shouldn't let that drive me to criticize others sarcastically, and really that was not my intention so for that I apologize. Don't feel hesitant to discuss that subject on my account, I shouldn't have jumped in on this thread and hijacked it.

I'll share this post as my final comment on the subject and will try to refrain from jumping in on future posts when this subject is being debated. I lost my marriage to my wife's opioid addiction. I just know how extremely powerful that addiction is, and how powerless some people are who are in it's grip through watching what happened to my wife as her addiction progressed, and how it completely changed her. From starting out getting addicted to pain meds for a legitimate medical condition, to buying harder stuff on the street when she exhausted all her prescription options. It ruined her career and our marriage, came within a hair of ending her life, cost her the custody of her children (not mine) and severely impacted the lives of many of her loved ones and family. She didn't want to be an addict and didn't set out to be. I'm not letting her off the hook though, she had plenty of blame in that deal. Lots of it. Addicts rationalize till the cows come home, and we watch them do it and shake our heads wishing they would wake up. But it's a very very powerful thing that many people cannot beat on their own, if at all.

I also lost my father to heart disease attributed to a lifetime of smoking. He started as a kid and simply could not quit and my dad was probably the strongest man I've known.

I can say with complete certainty that when non-addicts say they have no compassion for addicts, to me that means they are not coming at it from an informed position.

 

[dahldc]

Actually

I am interested in how rising minimum wages affects those employers who want to keep entry wages well above the minimum. Do you see any reason to hike your entry level wage if your entry level wage is now the minimum wage? As I suggested elsewhere I would have seen reasons to raise our entry salaries if those wages became the regional minimum. I'd want to deliver the message that we expect more and pay more than minimum wage jobs.

I have no clue why you are being so igndignant about this. What am I missing?

I can't believe I'm still having a conversation with you. Your approach to your question was ridiculous. Given your posting history, I assumed you were going for some sort of attack on Obama, HRC, or Sanders. I didn't want to be drawn into your clown show.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Given your posting history, I assumed you were going for some sort of attack on Obama, HRC, or Sanders.

I think you have a bad case of

CO.HDS. I'm actually reasonable and intellectually curious guy. Attacking democrats is pretty boring and I only do that after I organize my underwear drawer.

 

[IU-Curmudgeon]

I think you have a bad case of

CO.HDS. I'm actually reasonable and intellectually curious guy. Attacking democrats is pretty boring and I only do that after I organize my underwear drawer.

What is it that you blame for your lack of honesty and candidness?

There is nothing "reasonable" in your purposes for being someone we all have to fact check.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

I can tell you know nothing about my industry. No offense, but I'm not going down this rabbit hole with you. Thanks for responding.

A), wasn't trying to be confrontational, so don't get your panties in a bunch.

B), if you can't hire the people you want, for what you're offering in return, the reason for that probably isn't just bad luck.

C), as for my 1099 question, how is that not a valid question? (and i noticed you avoided answering it in your response.

D), wtf rabbit hole are you talking about.


you're the one who brought up your situation as an example.

i merely tried to delve more deeply into it, so as to better understand just precisely what your situation really is.