It's like the government. A million here. a million there, and pretty soon it gets to be real $.
If you are Scott Dolson…
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For the hope of something better. Woodson can’t even sell that.
O, you foolish mortal. You are a good guy and a good poster, but very naive.
i seriously doubt the meetings you describe in paragraphs 2 and 3 have happened in any meaningful way. I don't doubt they had a 20 minute wrap-up meeting meeting, just like with the softball coach (21 SPORTS, 1 TEAM!!) but nothing meaningful. If Woodson wasn't interested in anything Matta & Fife had to say, do you think he cared about what Dolson had to say? He probably just slapped ole Scottie on the back and said 'don't you worry about a thing.. I got it covered'. Scottie had to be concerned immediately after years end. Getting run off the court by Miami with an AA Center and two 5* recruits wasn't a good look. Then Woodson gets Ware & MM and Scottie thinks the danger has passed. Woodson's like "wait till you see these guys", because he's all about the stars.
Likewise, do you really think Dull Son has expressed his present concerns in any meaningful way? If so, wouldn't Woodson have at least publicly acknowledged the issues by now, rather than just being pissed that the media isn't covering for him as much as they should? Or had some comments about changes or expectations going forward? Do you think he would have said 'how do you expect us to win with all these injuries' if Dolson had told him 'injuries aren't a valid excuse'? I doubt that there has been ANY indication of displeasure from Scottie to Woody. to date. Given this, I agree with you that Dull Son very probably has not greased the skids for a coaching change. But a 2-8 finish and a 1st round BT tourney loss can't be ignored, I'm sure Scottie is hoping that 4-5 wins will come from somewhere.....
I disagree with the "calling a meeting" approach. You need to get Whitten on board first if you intend to change anything. She's the only "innocent" interested party here. If its you v. the President and the BOTs, you lose and you just look silly bringing it up. If its you and the President, the BOTs will side with you. If its important enough to you to try to fix it, that's the approach you take.
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I'd think there would be on-going and regular discussions with all these parties as the season goes on. I'd doubt there are surprises all of a sudden. You need to identify where it went wrong and what's his plan to fix it, and decide if you think that plan will work.
Evidence of that? If that was happening, would Woody trot out the injury excuse? Wouldn't Woody have said SOMETHING about X's actions?
I know it is apples and oranges. But what sealed Tom Allen’s fate was the full blown lack of competitiveness in the last half of the season. It was totally embarrassing even for IU football. He had to go.
So if Woodson cannot right the ship somewhat and get the team to at least compete and show some fight in the remaining games - he could find himself in the same situation. There have been too many stinkers from the team this year and that has to be unacceptable. This is not Tom Crean year 1 or 2. Booing at SSAH would not be a pretty sight.
Woody has completely lost the fan base. There is absolutely no fixing this. Even if he suddenly realized how to coach and had a good plan going forward it would never succeed. When the base goes into burn it down mode it is over. You're simply delaying the inevitable at this point.
Yep 100% but we all know he will not change anyway. All of his paid advisors were god awful coaches also.
Plus its not like he can say but I got this top ten recruiting class of four guys lined up to come in. Instead its scramble to throw a roster together in the portal.
I don't think whatever he says to the media is the same as what is talked about within.
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Dolson hired a “Coach-in-waiting” when he hired Woodson.
Horrible idea, and it worked out horribly.
A coach-in-waiting is NEVER a good idea.
Agree. And I haven’t heard any sort of good argument how the guy who cratered the program to ranked #100 is going to fix it. He would have done better already if he could. One good commit (our only commit) and the portal aren’t going to get us for #100 to something top-25.
I think that's the biggest issue. It's one thing to have a dud of a season but you have one player signed for next year?
It seems to me Woody and crew are doing their best. Their best simply isn’t anywhere close to good enough. They aren’t just going to magically learn how to coach better.
Football hires a HS coach. Failure.
Basketball hires a Pro coach. Failure.
Football hires a HS coach. Failure.
Basketball hires a Pro coach. Failure.
True. However, they were replacing legends, and were hand-picked by those legends.
If I’m Dolson, I would be planning my options. Woodson has earned a chance to right the ship, but the leash should be VERY short after this abysmal year
They are figuring out how to keep Ohio State, Michigan and all of the
SEC on top of the football world.
Right. I don't really see what he has done to earn a chance to fix this. He won one tournament game the first two years and then fielded probably the worst IU team in 50 years (excluding Crean's rebuild). Maybe if he had a couple Sweet 16's or an Elite 8 or a B1G Title or an incredible recruiting class -- that earns him a chance to fix it. But, nothing that stands out like those achievements has happened.
He did get it all the way to the iceberg that is this season. We will see if he can pump enough water to keep it afloat.You mean the ship he's currently sinking?
It’s a combination of things. Terrible basketball, culture, and losing your fan base and donors are big time red flags
Two average years and a good awful year? Yeah he isn’t moving the program upward. Year three and we will have to rebuild a roster. That’s poor recruiting.
Right. Why would any Fortune 500 company fire its CEO just because the stock tanked and no one is buying their product anymore? That would be crazy.
Two plus Twenty win seasons ,two tournament appearances ,we did not have those in the miller years
And Miller years were bad. What have you seen to think Woody can get IU back? It sure isn’t his roster building or coaching.
SMH dude, he is done. He isn’t getting IU back. This year is bad as it gets and look at what he is doing with recruiting and roster building. We will be all portal guys next year, rinse repeat for a roster
Archie is a low low bar.
I say this all the time: we have top-5 or so NIL — we can afford top players. We have the biggest bball budget of any athletic dept in the B1G. Why can’t we be top-20 or better with those resources? We are off by 80+ spots at #100!
I say this all the time: we have top-5 or so NIL — we can afford top players. We have the biggest bball budget of any athletic dept in the B1G. Why can’t we be top-20 or better with those resources? We are off by 80+ spots at #100!
If I'm Scott Dolson I'm keeping my head down, trying to survive. Since I would know I've shown little aptitude for the cushy job I've got.
I can't believe I'm hearing "20 win seasons" as if that's some sort of bar to clear. It used to be, 35 years ago.
I can't believe I'm hearing "20 win seasons" as if that's some sort of bar to clear. It used to be, 35 years ago.
After year 2, it seemed as if Woody had things heading in the right direction. I think most IU fans, including Scott, believed Woody could continue the upward trend: reality has proven otherwise.
Have a meeting with the university president but without Buckner. You are the AD and this should be your decision ultimately.
Expectations were laid out prior to the hiring. Just like every other job interview.
