I agree.
Unfortunately Quinn is Chairman of the Board of Trustees. Tough guy to block lol! Scott will have to navigate the politics. We suck.
If you are Scott Dolson…
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Unfortunately Quinn is Chairman of the Board of Trustees. Tough guy to block lol! Scott will have to navigate the politics. We suck.
I was going to say something, but this pretty much covers it.
Yes IU students deserve a championship squad once during their time in Bloomington
Ware goes to NBA McNealy and Queen come to Bloomington with a point guard in tow
Yea, I have no idea but joining a bad team ranked #100 with a coach on the hot seat isn’t too appealing.
If he's regularly sending players to the first round it is.
I can, it's better for both. Dolson keeps his job, Woodson can remain in Bloomington and enjoy himself in public without the scorn of that undeserved bonus he won't give back looking him in the face on Kirkwood
Quinn controls dolson so quinn would be approving the extension. Dolson is simply a puppet.
Don't blame him blame quinn. Dolson just did as he was told. Quinns legacy will be this hire
At his age, Woodson could step down at any time for health reasons, nobody would ask for details and he would be honored as a former great player who came back and gave us a couple of improved seasons.
Isn’t that really what it’s all about? Screw good ol IU that’s gonna pay you more than 99.5% (or more) of kids your age to be worshipped for playing the game you supposedly love. Don’t worry at all about winning games. Just showcase the couple of nba tricks that can get you drafted.
It’s a weird world. Can’t wait to see what the SEC & B1G have up their sleeve. They’ve agreed on something. Only a matter of figuring out the timing and execution of the rollout.
Something I think could be a huge factor that I haven’t seen mentioned re the portal. What if the big donors are over Woody and don’t give money for NIL? Allen lamented about that when he was fired. We later learned there was money for IU football out there. Just not for him.
It doesn’t matter, but just thinking out loud.
Dolson wanted Brad. That’s good and smart. I’d probably cut off a toe or two for Brad. Brad unfortunately said no.
Presumably, Dolson’s next pick would have been someone like Brad. A college coach with experience and a track record. Dolson’s football hire was a college coach with a good track record that could bring his staff and try and replicate what he has done historically at other colleges at IU.
Woody is the exact opposite of Brad. NBA only, no staff, no college track record. I can’t see how Dolson could come up with Woody given the aforementioned pattern of behavior. Woody was an insane idea. It very likely came from Quinn, the quotes from the hiring support this too.
In order to feel better, Scott added Matta to try and offset Woody’s lack of college experience. This of course was never going to work and it didn’t.
Outside politics has screwed up our bball hires hires for 25 years. Of course Scott won’t say this publicly, but logically Quinn seems to be the driver of the Woody idea. And it’s still Dolson’s fault for not standing up to him and going along with it.
Scott has demonstrated zero hesitation in replacing coaches even before anyone expected it to happen.
I believe that woody gets another year but we thought the same for Archie and Allen.
Have to think this happens.
Hey donor, do you want to give $1M again? The last $1M you gave we used to get to our #100 ranking. I’m sure you enjoyed that.
Donor: No.
Coach Woodson will be 66 next month and has 3 years left on his deal. Even if he was performing well a coach in waiting would make sense. Now who would that be and would Coach's ego allow it to actually work?
Turnover the staff (who I view as as weak as they come) and bring in a coach in waiting or he's gone. Something has to change.
I hate the coach in waiting thing. Like you said egos get in the way. How many of those have actually worked?
He has 3 years and 12.6 million remaining. Get him to resign and stick around Bloomington as a figure head. Pay him a couple of million bucks the next 6 or 7 years and move on.
As I've said before, it's all about the Money and basic economics. When have you reached the point where lost ticket sale revenue, lost parking , concession, and merchandise revenue , lost donor contributions, and NIL Money exceed the value of the buyout. On the practical side, where have You lost interest of the casual fan? When has watching an IU game on TV go from must see TV to If I have nothing better to do I might watch.
Add the Tom Allen contract extension and Dolson has personally cost the university millions. He definitely needs to fire himself.
Just admit it Scotty - you’ve been worse than Tom and Woody combined.
The issue is - do we want this? Calipari 2.0. At least they win some big games.
A losing program with NBA stars? Woohoo!!
I think this happened in football. When you’re short 10K attendance per game because you stink, that’s $4M of gameday revenue (mostly profit) per year pretty quick. Bball probably less because we somehow get 15K per game, but it’s millions lost in all likelihood. And ofc donations go down.
The other one is “brand”. If IU were good at basketball, that’s a lot of free marketing when you’re in the news, especially March when the whole country could be thinking about us. Saban made Bama a fortune in exposure, which juiced their enrollment, acceptance standards, etc. This is something Pam should have in mind — there is a lot of value to being good at sports, and in our case bball is the one where we could get a lot more national exposure for the university.
Why would you bring a "coach in waiting" into a dysfuntional program? That doesn't seem like a great way to groom your next leader. From what you've seen of Woodson do you really think he'd welcome his future replacement onto the bench? And anyway, no potential coach that would pass muster with IU fans is going to voluntarily sit in a corner on IU's bench and be ignored by the likes of Mike Woodson. Who TF would go for that?
Dolson is in a tough spot.
Everything I think he needs to be doing, right now, should involve discussions with the President and the BOT. Buckner's presence on the BOT potentially throws a huge wrench in that.
What's needed is for Dolson to call a meeting with the President, Buckner, and himself. And I lay out a vision for what IU basketball can, and should be. And assuming its already talked with Woody about all this, multiple times...something needs laid out, bullet point by bullet point, how Woody aligns with the vision for the program. And assuming that for most of the bullet points he doesn't fit, it should conclude with the formal request to fire him at seasons end.
Practically, he has to get Buckner on board with this. And the risk to Dolson is that if Buckner isn't on board with this, and he makes a move like this, it could end up costing Dolson his own job. But if Dolson believes its the right thing to do, then he has to have the fortitude to do it now.
The Buckner dynamic, and him being done next year, leads me to believe Dolson will kick the can down the road another year. Its what most AD's in his position would do. And I'm not naïve enough to say I wouldn't do the same thing, for personal job preservation.
Dolson has shown the willingness to move on coaches before contracts are up. He's shown the chops to get the required funding to get that done. Dolson made the move on Archie, with going hard after Stevens as one of his first moves. Woody wasn't his top choice, evidently...so I doubt Dolson himself views him all that favorably at this point...obviously could be wrong on that, its just a guess. But an educated one, I think, with how the hire went, and then how the Matta/Fife experiment went... Woody's buyout isn't a problem, in the big scheme of things. But his relationship with Buckner is a problem...if Buckner still believes in him and wants him to remain the coach.
So if I'm Dolson, and I'm being honest and realistic, I spend the next 4-5 months actively pushing Woody to change his program, change his staff, etc... With hopes that he will, and that it translates to a better season next year. We don't need to win a national title any time soon, we just need to start playing good basketball again.
If I'm my best version of Dolson, the one with huge balls and tons of fortitude...I have the meetings right now with Buckner and the President, and I push hard to make a coaching change after this season.
Everything I think he needs to be doing, right now, should involve discussions with the President and the BOT. Buckner's presence on the BOT potentially throws a huge wrench in that.
What's needed is for Dolson to call a meeting with the President, Buckner, and himself. And I lay out a vision for what IU basketball can, and should be. And assuming its already talked with Woody about all this, multiple times...something needs laid out, bullet point by bullet point, how Woody aligns with the vision for the program. And assuming that for most of the bullet points he doesn't fit, it should conclude with the formal request to fire him at seasons end.
Practically, he has to get Buckner on board with this. And the risk to Dolson is that if Buckner isn't on board with this, and he makes a move like this, it could end up costing Dolson his own job. But if Dolson believes its the right thing to do, then he has to have the fortitude to do it now.
The Buckner dynamic, and him being done next year, leads me to believe Dolson will kick the can down the road another year. Its what most AD's in his position would do. And I'm not naïve enough to say I wouldn't do the same thing, for personal job preservation.
Dolson has shown the willingness to move on coaches before contracts are up. He's shown the chops to get the required funding to get that done. Dolson made the move on Archie, with going hard after Stevens as one of his first moves. Woody wasn't his top choice, evidently...so I doubt Dolson himself views him all that favorably at this point...obviously could be wrong on that, its just a guess. But an educated one, I think, with how the hire went, and then how the Matta/Fife experiment went... Woody's buyout isn't a problem, in the big scheme of things. But his relationship with Buckner is a problem...if Buckner still believes in him and wants him to remain the coach.
So if I'm Dolson, and I'm being honest and realistic, I spend the next 4-5 months actively pushing Woody to change his program, change his staff, etc... With hopes that he will, and that it translates to a better season next year. We don't need to win a national title any time soon, we just need to start playing good basketball again.
If I'm my best version of Dolson, the one with huge balls and tons of fortitude...I have the meetings right now with Buckner and the President, and I push hard to make a coaching change after this season.
He probably wouldn't go for it. So you fire him.
There probably aren't many that would be willing to be a coach in waiting. But there could be some. You only need one. Would Dusty May or Mike Lewis do it to get their shot to be the next guy?
Just spit balling because there is no way Dolson will fire the guy after this season. Coach in waiting probably makes no sense. But neither does giving a guy a contract that expires when he's 69 years old. So here we are.
And it's time to stop giving a crap what fans think of who should or should not be the next coach.
Scott probably has Woody and Quinn being difficult on one side (we will fix it, etc.).
The other side is donors and fans screaming bloody murder as we are ranked #100 and probably losing a lot more this year.
The repercussions of a bad hire.
The other side is donors and fans screaming bloody murder as we are ranked #100 and probably losing a lot more this year.
The repercussions of a bad hire.
What makes anyone think at this point queen would come here?
Lews is too risky I say get matta. He is proving this year he still has it.
Scott will do what Whitten tells him to do, since he reports to her. I believe Whitten was the driver for the FB coaching change, not Dolson and not the Trustees. McRobbie left the AD alone, as long as he didn't have to deal with any scandals he didn't care about athletics. If McRobbie were still President, we'd still have Tom Allen as the coach. Whitten came here from Georgia, and understands what a good football program can mean to a university.
I remain doubtful that Dolson is "taking orders" as such from Buckner. Woodson was a fallback when Stevens declined. Maybe when it was clear that Stevens wasn't coming, Buckner put in a word for Woodson and Dolson didn't have any better options ready.
Doubtful. He may not have made the right hires, but Dolson obviously knows the bball coach is the most important position he has under his control and thusly the one that his job depends on. Few folks are going to risk their job over someone else's. I've actually been surprised at the level of dissatisfaction and desire to move on from the fan base after 2 years of making the tourney. If we close out the year on the track we're on, losing 2/3 of every 3-4 games, I think the rancor is going to multiply quickly. With a bad year next year, it will be off the charts. If he were to wait beyond that, I think it will be someone else selecting Woody's replacement.
After all, Woodson has always said "I'm just doing it for these kids, man!". Well then take this kind of deal please.
It doesn't make sense because he's not performing well. Any coach in waiting will look like a loser as well.
It's why he has held out sooo long because both Woodson and Willard are terrible and there he is, Sampson looking with his binoculars promising Queen he would be there for his one or two years.
Woodson would look a lot better if the players could shoot and make free throws. If a "coach in waiting" could improve that, everyone would look good.
I think if he keeps Woody one more year he leaves next year with Woody. Probably with a $1M going away present.
Does anyone know what year HIS contract goes through?
If he acts this year he has a chance to stay on if he makes a solid choice.
