I will be voting for the Jr Senator from Kentucky.

[Courtsensetwo]

Wrong.

People with multiple vaccinations caught Covid. It did not stop the spread.

To the contrary, lessened symptoms probably contributed to faster spread because folks became less “careful” about masking.

All that happened was that the virus mutated … you know, like a virus does and always has … and became less and less damaging to most people, from both natural immunity and from how the vaccinated body made it mutate … you know, like a virus does and always has.

For some people, it always meant death. For others, it always meant sniffles. We’ll never know why. Maybe the far future will.

But if other health problems pop up in the next few years in higher-than-expected numbers in the vaccinated population, then we’ll have a different set of questions.

But Rand Paul was right about the virus helping a human body create natural immunity - you know, like a virus. I suspect he was also right about “gain of function” research being involved in this virus and it getting released through negligence.

Common sense, history and math rarely combine to get it wrong.

No, the scientific community is right;

People with vaxx caught the variant primarily which was allow to spread due to the maga numbskulls.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

We had a math problem and piss poor guidelines.
Anyone that doesn’t think so is either uneducated on the subject or a sheep.
You can decide

Won't argue with that, but the magafication of the problem....became and remains the problem.

Maga cost us billions, thousands of lives and a serious dip in our economic and youngerst generation's development.

Sheep. Dangerous sheep.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Wrong.

People with multiple vaccinations caught Covid. It did not stop the spread.

To the contrary, lessened symptoms probably contributed to faster spread because folks became less “careful” about masking.

All that happened was that the virus mutated … you know, like a virus does and always has … and became less and less damaging to most people, from both natural immunity and from how the vaccinated body made it mutate … you know, like a virus does and always has.

For some people, it always meant death. For others, it always meant sniffles. We’ll never know why. Maybe the far future will.

But if other health problems pop up in the next few years in higher-than-expected numbers in the vaccinated population, then we’ll have a different set of questions.

But Rand Paul was right about the virus helping a human body create natural immunity - you know, like a virus. I suspect he was also right about “gain of function” research being involved in this virus and it getting released through negligence.

Common sense, history and math rarely combine to get it wrong.

We are skipping a step. The vaccine was effective at preventing in COVID the OG. So was natural 8nfectiin. The problem was, the more people infected the more the virus can mutate. As COVID mutated, both the vaccine and natural became less effective. People are also getting infected multiple times.

IF we were to stop it, the only way was to shut down everything to reduce spread (and mutation) and vaccinate everyone.

The problem becomes, that had to happen worldwide. We know a variant started in India, and another in South Africa. That shows our inability to control events outside the US.

We could not produce variant vaccines nearly fast enough.

I don't know how we are going to tell if the vaccines cause future problems or the virus is causing them. Viruses are very bad things, and are known to cause issues later (look up Spanish Flu and Parkinson's).

We knew we were in a race against mutation, and we lost. I don't see why we wouldn't have tried to win that race, but that is the argument some make.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

No, the scientific community is right;

People with vaxx caught the variant primarily which was allow to spread due to the maga numbskulls.

You are intentionally wrong Because you want to what you call “MAGA numbskulls.”

There were deaths and mutations in the year before there were vaccinations. One look at the charts disprove your, but you prefer politics to facts.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

You are intentionally wrong Because you want to what you call “MAGA numbskulls.”

There were deaths and mutations in the year before there were vaccinations. One look at the charts disprove your, but you prefer politics to facts.

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you today. That or this is pure Projection on your part.

I am condemning the politicization of the issues...and for good reason.

You can have your own opinion about facts...but you cannot have your own facts.

Hope this straightens things out.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

We are skipping a step. The vaccine was effective at preventing in COVID the OG. So was natural 8nfectiin. The problem was, the more people infected the more the virus can mutate. As COVID mutated, both the vaccine and natural became less effective. People are also getting infected multiple times.

IF we were to stop it, the only way was to shut down everything to reduce spread (and mutation) and vaccinate everyone.

The problem becomes, that had to happen worldwide. We know a variant started in India, and another in South Africa. That shows our inability to control events outside the US.

We could not produce variant vaccines nearly fast enough.

I don't know how we are going to tell if the vaccines cause future problems or the virus is causing them. Viruses are very bad things, and are known to cause issues later (look up Spanish Flu and Parkinson's).

We knew we were in a race against mutation, and we lost. I don't see why we wouldn't have tried to win that race, but that is the argument some make.

I think the numbers say that “social distancing” and “masks” and other “PPE” combined to impact spread in the pre-vaccination days. But China itself is the best evidence that “shut down” was/is an effective “spread stopper.” As long as humans exhale, Covid spreads.

The deaths from original Covid and each variant were less dependent on vaccination status than initial susceptibility to Covid - there were clearly three death “waves” - with two being completed and the the third being the worst - during 2020, before vaccinations became available. There were two more death waves in 2021, after mass vaccinations were initiated.

Instead of vaccinating by status (health care workers, teachers first), we could have impacted Covid better by learning who was susceptible and why. Instead, we wasted our time and money on arguing about Donald Trump, and calling each other names based on Donald Trump.

Why some die and other get sniffles is still understood at near zero level.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

We are skipping a step. The vaccine was effective at preventing in COVID the OG. So was natural 8nfectiin. The problem was, the more people infected the more the virus can mutate. As COVID mutated, both the vaccine and natural became less effective. People are also getting infected multiple times.

IF we were to stop it, the only way was to shut down everything to reduce spread (and mutation) and vaccinate everyone.

The problem becomes, that had to happen worldwide. We know a variant started in India, and another in South Africa. That shows our inability to control events outside the US.

We could not produce variant vaccines nearly fast enough.

I don't know how we are going to tell if the vaccines cause future problems or the virus is causing them. Viruses are very bad things, and are known to cause issues later (look up Spanish Flu and Parkinson's).

We knew we were in a race against mutation, and we lost. I don't see why we wouldn't have tried to win that race, but that is the argument some make.

I think blaming Donald Trump for the fact that the race was not won is unrealistic. No matter what policy he adopted, we couldn’t vaccinate the entire world before the virus mutated. It was never going to happen.

I believe respected scientists were already acknowledging this fact by the summer of 2020.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you today. That or this is pure Projection on your part.

I am condemning the politicization of the issues...and for good reason.

You can have your own opinion about facts...but you cannot have your own facts.

Hope this straightens things out.

No - you claim “the Trump supporters” are wrong and you are right and then claim others are the ones politicizing the facts.

If you want to deal with facts, stop trying to insult me, and explain the numbers of pre-vaccination deaths and pre-vaccinations variants, etc., compare them to the post-vaccinations deaths and variants and leave YOUR POLITICS out of it.

Scroll down to the daily death charts in this link - they have nothing to do with Trump. Pick a country. Pick a state. See what you see. Sort by death rate per million, and ask why the rates are different, and what factors can be found to account for the differences.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[Marvin the Martian]

I think blaming Donald Trump for the fact that the race was not won is unrealistic. No matter what policy he adopted, we couldn’t vaccinate the entire world before the virus mutated. It was never going to happen.

I believe respected scientists were already acknowledging this fact by the summer of 2020.

Please note, I never blamed Trump. I am just explaining there was a solid theory behind what we pursued.

Some number of Americans are anti-science. Those people include a sizeable number of Trump supporters. To be fair there are those at the far left who share Luddite desires.

Trump himself vacillitated between beliefs. Early on he was all in on vaccines, but as he realized his people weren't following he led by following their lead. It didn't really matter at that point so much other than matching a West Wing parable. I cannot remember the exact quote, but it involved a politician seeing his people marching by and saying, "I must find out where they are going so I can lead them".

 

[Marvin the Martian]

If you want to deal with facts, stop trying to insult me, and explain the numbers of pre-vaccination deaths and pre-vaccinations variants, etc., compare them to the post-vaccinations deaths and variants and leave YOUR POLITICS out of it.

Tell us exactly your point because the point made above seems to be that vaccines caused more deaths.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I think the numbers say that “social distancing” and “masks” and other “PPE” combined to impact spread in the pre-vaccination days. But China itself is the best evidence that “shut down” was/is an effective “spread stopper.” As long as humans exhale, Covid spreads.

The deaths from original Covid and each variant were less dependent on vaccination status than initial susceptibility to Covid - there were clearly three death “waves” - with two being completed and the the third being the worst - during 2020, before vaccinations became available. There were two more death waves in 2021, after mass vaccinations were initiated.

Instead of vaccinating by status (health care workers, teachers first), we could have impacted Covid better by learning who was susceptible and why. Instead, we wasted our time and money on arguing about Donald Trump, and calling each other names based on Donald Trump.

Why some die and other get sniffles is still understood at near zero level.

The monumental impact on serious disease began as vacc rolled out.

While still denied by some...The massively disproportunate numbers of non vaxxed in ERs. vents, and morgues was and still is the story.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Tell us exactly your point because the point made above seems to be that vaccines caused more deaths

Sounds like a campaign slogan in a some states right now.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

No - you claim “the Trump supporters” are wrong and you are right and then claim others are the ones politicizing the facts.

If you want to deal with facts, stop trying to insult me, and explain the numbers of pre-vaccination deaths and pre-vaccinations variants, etc., compare them to the post-vaccinations deaths and variants and leave YOUR POLITICS out of it.

Scroll down to the daily death charts in this link - they have nothing to do with Trump. Pick a country. Pick a state. See what you see. Sort by death rate per million, and ask why the rates are different, and what factors can be found to account for the differences.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I have no politics in this....that is the point.


I prefer science...warts and all

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Tell us exactly your point because the point made above seems to be that vaccines caused more deaths.

My posts 160, 164, 166 and 168 contain my points.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

My posts 160, 164, 166 and 168 contain my points.

Your 166 post is that we needed to study more. We are studying it, you don't think labs are researching it? I am not at one of my desktops, but they all run a program like SETI but testing COVID. It takes time. We could have said, "we aren't going to do anything until we have perfect analysis". We treated it as an emergency, act on what information we have.

As to first responders, a decision was made that the health care industry was collapsing. We were short emergency responders, and them getting sick made us even shorter. The ones that were working were working a lot of hours in extreme stress. Maybe it wasn't the best decision, I have no idea. But I know if the majority of the critical care staff in Louisville's biggest hospital all got COVID at the same time, the city would have a disaster.

I know you aren't anti vaccine, you posted here often about your begging for more boosters NOW. And I guess that may be your overall point, you didn't get your shots as quickly as you liked. That is fine, I have no way of knowing with perfect knowledge if that is true and how it was decided.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

What happened to RAX . . .

The Incredible Downfall of Rax Roast Beef in 1991 (A Ghost Story) – Weird Marketing Tales

weirdmarketingtales.com

Good article. I don’t remember their downfall, but it was apparently pretty spectacular.

 

[Sope Creek]

But damn I would think that a liberal arts education would make one more aware.

At Baylor?

 

[Sope Creek]

Good article. I don’t remember their downfall, but it was apparently pretty spectacular.

I always wondered what happened to them. Leave it to the Cooler - and Lars - to conjure up the memories . . . .

 

[Erika 55]

Please tell me if there is any punishment if you do not participate in the vote?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

All this basketball and fast-food talk is a fun however, several on here have stated that open boarders are just fine and not supporting that position politically makes you a buffoon. Name a country that has open borders. PS. I hit 63 charity tosses in a row. Problem was it was a bar that had basketball goals. I had challenged Ray Harper. My 63 drew the crowd but his 86 was the show. I lost ten dollars.

Who said open borders were just fine? Some said that and meant it?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Who said open borders were just fine? Some said that and meant it?

The Libertarian Party believes in open borders. Having read a Libertarian book on open borders, they make a decent case but not entirely convincing.

Is it strange none of our libertarians are Libertarians.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The Libertarian Party believes in open borders. Having read a Libertarian book on open borders, they make a decent case but not entirely convincing.

Is it strange none of our libertarians are Libertarians.

True libertarians have always been a bit nuts.

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Who said open borders were just fine? Some said that and meant it?

Goat and outside shooter. They were attacking Libertarian Republicans and started throwing Libertarian Party nut shit into the conversation.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Goat and outside shooter. They were attacking Libertarian Republicans and started throwing Libertarian Party nut shit into the conversation.

I get why I think the Libertarian Party is nuts. I am not sure why so many libertarians think Libertarians are nuts. It seems the basic tenant of both is "less government". So what makes a libertarian's less government good but Libertarian "less government" nuts?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Goat and outside shooter. They were attacking Libertarian Republicans and started throwing Libertarian Party nut shit into the conversation.

Hold on. I wasn't talking about the libertarian party. I was talking about Paul. In the same interview he said we need more immigrants, but also proposed counting dreamers toward quotas. I just said that was a bit incongruous.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

No - you claim “the Trump supporters” are wrong and you are right and then claim others are the ones politicizing the facts.

If you want to deal with facts, stop trying to insult me, and explain the numbers of pre-vaccination deaths and pre-vaccinations variants, etc., compare them to the post-vaccinations deaths and variants and leave YOUR POLITICS out of it.

Scroll down to the daily death charts in this link - they have nothing to do with Trump. Pick a country. Pick a state. See what you see. Sort by death rate per million, and ask why the rates are different, and what factors can be found to account for the differences.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

No. They/you are the ones that politicized it. Leaving is with the mess and massive losses we have.
I, among many that followed the science were and are right.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

No. They/you are the ones that politicized it. Leaving is with the mess and massive losses we have.
I, among many that followed the science were and are right.

never mind.
you’re blind.

bye

 

[Rockport Zebra]

Hold on. I wasn't talking about the libertarian party. I was talking about Paul. In the same interview he said we need more immigrants, but also proposed counting dreamers toward quotas. I just said that was a bit incongruous.

You sipped the part about open boarders making your food cheaper.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You sipped the part about open boarders making your food cheaper.

That wasn't an attack on Paul or any other Republican. It would make food cheaper.

 

[NPT]

The vaccine could have substantially stopped the spread had it been used more widely and not politicized by the my pillow sheep. Omicron is a right wing creation.

I just don't believe that and I got the vaccine from the very beginning and all the boosters. The reason I say that is when you looked at the states with a very high vaccination rate it spread in those states just as quickly as in the states with low vaccination rates.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

We are skipping a step. The vaccine was effective at preventing in COVID the OG. So was natural 8nfectiin. The problem was, the more people infected the more the virus can mutate. As COVID mutated, both the vaccine and natural became less effective. People are also getting infected multiple times.

IF we were to stop it, the only way was to shut down everything to reduce spread (and mutation) and vaccinate everyone.

The problem becomes, that had to happen worldwide. We know a variant started in India, and another in South Africa. That shows our inability to control events outside the US.

We could not produce variant vaccines nearly fast enough.

I don't know how we are going to tell if the vaccines cause future problems or the virus is causing them. Viruses are very bad things, and are known to cause issues later (look up Spanish Flu and Parkinson's).

We knew we were in a race against mutation, and we lost. I don't see why we wouldn't have tried to win that race, but that is the argument some make.

Or actually we were in fact in a race TO mutation? It mutating to the less serious is what stopped it.
the more of us that caught it, the faster the mutation.

 

[Spartans9312]

Won't argue with that, but the magafication of the problem....became and remains the problem.

Maga cost us billions, thousands of lives and a serious dip in our economic and youngerst generation's development.

Sheep. Dangerous sheep.

Without the proper rollout, which was 100% controlled by the bureaucrats, we never had a chance. We also didn’t have enough vaccine and we were wasting what we did have.
The blame on certain individuals would be far down the list but seems to be #1 for you.

 

[ORG]

I would have a hard time voting for him even if he were running against Herschel Walker. Do I choose evil or dumb? Evil seems more dangerous.

Thank you for your well argued comment.

 

[BigDogMan]

The vaccines were junk, classic American made junk. Over marketed, underperforming, but serve the baseline utility needed.

Think of them like a Ford F-150.

 

[ORG]

There are many countries in asia which are less "free" on paper, but in which one can safely walk around at 3 am. Safety is important to me in the category of freedom. I prefer to safely walk at any hour as opposed to having the right to have an AK on the hip.

Why can't I have both?