I’ll say it again. I live in a relatively affluent suburb. The ONLY kids that are trouble at school and in the community are the kids with known shithead parents or absent parents.
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We didn't have the sheer number of them or a weird romantic obsession with them. Guns are a tool to do a specific job. Not a trophy or god that needs worshipped.
That's a whole lot of regulation. You're preaching to the choir man. Direct this to the right...
We had FIVE school districts in Cincy targeted with threats today. One shut down, the others added security. Often these threat hoaxes are coming from people in foreign countries, particularly when they are received by phone. I agree the offenders should spend time in jail.
Several Cincinnati-area schools named in online threats, Mount Healthy schools closed
Mount Healthy City Schools was closed Thursday and at least four other districts heightened security in response to a social media threat.
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If we want to harden the schools, taxpayers better be ready to open their checkbooks up. Do you see that happening? In Indiana, it’s all about lowering (an already low) property tax rate. Many states, especially the red ones like GA, are providing less money to schools and certainly not more.
That’s why I’m wondering if the lack of metal detectors was a political thing. Winder is pretty damn rural.
My property taxes are high and the vast majority goes to the school. We have our own police force.
Go look at their football stadium. Turf field. They can afford that shit
Don't forget reinstitutionalization. We have too many mental health cases that are brushed aside and allowed to interact freely. People that directly threaten society need to be kept away from society.
Barrow County is decidedly middle class. Georgia puts insane emphasis on high school football. They probably cut math for that field.
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We had FIVE school districts in Cincy targeted with threats today. One shut down, the others added security. Often these threat hoaxes are coming from people in foreign countries, particularly when they are received by phone. I agree the offenders should spend time in jail.
Several Cincinnati-area schools named in online threats, Mount Healthy schools closed
Mount Healthy City Schools was closed Thursday and at least four other districts heightened security in response to a social media threat.www.cincinnati.com
Serious time in jail. Minor or not.
I think that is the case for us too. What I can't speak on is areas that aren't so affluent. I don't live there and don't know but I think external influencers are probably higher in areas where "good" parents and a good situation outside the home aren't as easy to come by.
WHAT ABOUT SOMEONE IMPORTANTS EAR.
That is why I said it would cause a tiff on both sides of the aisle. The "right" isn't a monolithic entity that is all in lock step with each other any more than the left is. Those proposals would have supporters and detractors in both parties.
it's really only been a problem the last 150 years, just a small spec of time in the history of man. people in the roman empire times never shot each other.
That’s true. No drunk driving either.
Not so fast...drunk driving a chariot or horse and wagon was very dangerous. Even today, you can get a DUI charge if you are drunk while driving a horse and buggy.
‘We’ve got a drunk Amish guy’: Horse-drawn buggy driver charged after hitting deputy’s cruiser
A 21-year-old man has been charged with operating a vehicle while impaired for an incident involving a horse-drawn buggy.
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Not so fast...drunk driving a chariot or horse and wagon was very dangerous. Even today, you can get a DUI charge if you are drunk while driving a horse and buggy.
‘We’ve got a drunk Amish guy’: Horse-drawn buggy driver charged after hitting deputy’s cruiser
A 21-year-old man has been charged with operating a vehicle while impaired for an incident involving a horse-drawn buggy.www.1011now.com
These low speed chases are out of control.
Ask Australians about the slippery slope.
Banning guns would inevitably lead to tyranny.
Might it be safer for someone drunk in a horse and buggy to be passed out as opposed to actively trying to drive the thing? Wouldn't a sober horse walking on its own accord be better than a shit-faced Amish guy trying to control the horse?
That's one of the deepest questions ever asked on this forum, IMO.
I truly don't know what I think about it.
It’s one of the great mysteries. Even Aristotle and Socrates struggled with it.
That stupid Constitution! If we could just get rid of it and be like... Cuba. Yeah, Cuba. Dang things would be wonderful! Said nobody... except your typical Marxist.
Good question but no.
Horses have no concept of what they’re doing. They don’t realize there is something behind them.
They take corners the same way they always do. Which is a problem if they’re pulling something.
Agreed. I’m with you on the inconvenience of the separation of church and state.
I agree with your first paragraph. but the true bottom line is that we've lost the traditional values that once regulated behavior, and that plus the complexity of modern life coupled with our unevolved brains is resulting in a level and variety of mental illness issues that overwhelms the legal system's capabilities. That is.....there's too much out there to deal with.
Basic "goodness" is a prereq for maintaining a high degree of individual freedom. The 80% of society that is sane is only as free as 'controlling' the other 20% will allow us to be.
Also the interconnection of all us through TV and the internet leads to major 'copycat' problems. The guys that engage in mass shootings are all inspired by those who have gone before. This is the most immediate cause.
I'm old enough to remember the very first highly publicized product tampering case nationally, involving Tylenol. Before that there were very few products that utilized safety packaging. It just wasn't a thing that even dangerous and crazy people did. Afterwards, it was all over the place until it became a concern for all products. So. that's one smallish example where the actions of one individual led to less freedom and more expense for all.
So, I guess my bottom line is....we're screwed. Because society is not going to get less complex or less interconnected unless/until there is a collapse of some sort. or authoritarianism takes hold.
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Nice post. I hadn't seen it before I posted my rant.
Imo, it comes down to this: freedom is subject to the laws of supply and demand. When the costs of freedom go up, we get less of it.
As an example, see my notes about the problems with copycat mass shootings. I'm convinced that if the press did not report these mass shootings as much as they do, their #s would decline drastically.
The two most efficient ways of eliminating mass shootings (v. common every day gun violence which results in 98% of non-accidental gun deaths other than suicides, but are less damaging to the national psyche) would be to 1. confiscate all guns; or 2. censor the press for reporting the mass shootings so prominently.
All of the other good ideas that are being banded about on here that are procedural in nature, even if effectively employed, might reduce the problem by 30%. When we start considering the more substantial matters you discuss we really get into the cost of freedom analysis.
We could also stop prescribing SSRI's and Adderall to every kid who is having a bad day or doesn't feel like studying.
Almost everyone of these shooters in zonked out on some doctor prescribed meds.
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