Hooray for the 2nd Amendment
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First. Noodle. Nurses against dick pics? That is the most nightmarish text a parent could ever receive. And would only be exacerbated by my daughter who would add “hey my phone is on 1 percent.”
So kid is on LE’s radar already. Posts pictures with guns. 14 yrs old btw. Then school gets call alerting them. Kid leaves class in the morning and is able to get into another classroom. Door just open wtf?
2,000 student school. I googled it. Of course great football stadium. Turf. Yet no metal detectors at the door. Can bring in whatever.
I don’t care what we do about ARs etc but these schools need to get it together. Zero excuse for that kid to be able to get that gun into the school on the same day of a threat
I wonder what GA's red flag laws are like. Looks like the dad got questioned by some LE party (FBI or local GA I don't know) and said his kid didn't have access to the guns. IF true, well....the dad might need to join his son in prison for a while.
Everybody killing the FBI here but they can't just arrest the kid and his dad. (pre shooting)
Should the FBI or local LE have been able to pull the guns from the parent's house pending a more complete review of their son's mental health situation? Can we force/enforce this kind of review?
Edit: did a quick google search and it doesn't look like GA has any red flag laws at all. So, I'm really confused why the FBI is getting killed here especially as the school was aware of this student's issues.
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Did we have guns in the 70’s or 80’s?
The experts all seem to agree the FBI did all they could. They had no pc to bring the kid in. Nothing else they could do. Georgia apparently has 3rd weakest gun laws in country so it was kind of anything goes for the parents. If it turns out the gun came from the house, which common sense tells you is very likely, the parents will go down hard both because they should and the governor and AG will want someone to blame to deflect.
Your post makes no sense to me. Maybe I’m missing something. I’ve also worked all night and have been up about 26 hours so that might have something to do with it.
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yeah the school is where i'd focus. no metal detectors. why wasn't the classroom locked down. don't they have a hot sheet of kids identified as greater risk if nothing else to check on days of threats. they said they have dogs and shit. come on
If only we had some sort of government agency that could monitor people who make threats.
Oh wait, we do.
No it isn't. The frequency of these types of shootings has been increasing for decades. I think people jump to guns because it is the easiest target. What is much harder to address is some of the complete failures we have occurring as a society that lead to this stuff.
No one wants to address that.
And the law STILL didn’t allow us to take an assault rifle out of the house. I hear ya brotha.
One, there is no single fix. The argument that maybe something else could have stopped it so no problem with whatever else someone wants to defend is just strawman/deflection.
Two, fixing parenthood is a hard fix.
Get your kids off Tik Tok for starters.....
Ok. That’s responsive. I wasn’t really talking about what parents can do though. That’s fairly easy. I was talking about how you get parents to do it.
Not true at all but just because addressing that is not easy doesn't mean you don't address the gun issue.
So I am going to go out and mention some things that I think society at large could do that would help our children....and all of these are going to be big government/societal items that would cause intraparty arguments on each side of the aisle I believe....but here goes. (All of these could be done separately or together).
1. Ban Tik Tok
2. Any social media that is open to use by children should have to submit their algorithms for how they drive content to the FCC. Content that is found to be egregiously manipulative would subject them to massive fines.
3. Flat out ban social media for individuals under 16.
4. Make pornography harder to access through enforced age verification online.
5. Reinstitute health standards and testing in schools (think Kennedy in the 60's on this one)
6. Start holding parents accountable for their children's behavior. Your child is caught stealing, fine for the parents. Your child is caught breaking curfew, fine. Your child commits a crime with your registered gun...jail? Parents should have skin in the game too.
You really want to get draconian and MAGA-ish, start holding the entertainment industries responsible for the content they put out. There was the Comics Code Authority in the 1950's that was set up by publishers to avoid government intervention over adult content being put into an entertainment form that was directed at children. Hammer the gaming industry for intentionally making things like phone games addictive gambling. Tell Hollywood that graphic death and sex scenes get you an automatic X rating. Nobody under 18 permitted. For R-rated movies, nobody under 17 permitted without an adult. Fine theaters for non compliance. There were reports of people taking their 10 year olds to the new Deadpool movie and being shocked when it freaked the kids out.
So anyways, some of that is over the top, but I think my main point is that in the Leave it to Beaver days, there were bad things that happened, but society as a whole saw it as all of our responsibility to provide an environment that was good for children. Today the mantra is, "Well just keep your kids away from all that, be a better parent." And to some degree that is valid. Then again, we have created a world where adults are all up in traditionally "kids" spaces and telling parents to police better. It is like throwing water on a pile of dirt and sending a kid out in white clothes and saying, "Make sure you come back clean..." You can tell your child how to avoid dirt, how to brush it off, and other things to avoid coming back a mess, but man does that difficulty increase when someone has created a bunch of muddy puddles for them to jump in....
Anyways, I know that some of that would be viewed as over the top and oppressive and whatnot, but I think there is validity behind the idea that all of these freedoms adults have pushed for have been bad for our kids. Social media just threw a match on the gasoline that was sitting out there.
The vast majority of parents do a good job of preventing their children from being mass murderers. Problem is, there have been shitty parents since the dawn of humanity, and this country has 60m+ of parents, so even if just 1/10th of a percent are shitty, that is still 60k+ shitty parents.
Lets assume only 10% of those shitty parents are gun owners, so 6k. That is 120 gun owning shitty parents per state.
To me, that is inevitable. 99 out of 100 parents could do a great job, so just saying "where are the parents?" is a rhetorical question.
If you accept this premise, then what do we do next? Personally, I would rather inconvenience a law-abiding gun owner, such that they have to go through an extensive background check, waiting period, etc in order to purchase an automatic weapon rather than inconveniencing my children by making them walk through metal detectors every day and have active shooter drills every semester at school. That's just me though.
Lets assume only 10% of those shitty parents are gun owners, so 6k. That is 120 gun owning shitty parents per state.
To me, that is inevitable. 99 out of 100 parents could do a great job, so just saying "where are the parents?" is a rhetorical question.
If you accept this premise, then what do we do next? Personally, I would rather inconvenience a law-abiding gun owner, such that they have to go through an extensive background check, waiting period, etc in order to purchase an automatic weapon rather than inconveniencing my children by making them walk through metal detectors every day and have active shooter drills every semester at school. That's just me though.
Guns are certainly the easiest to focus on to have a quick and meaningful impact. Creating Pleasantville in the real world is likely a pipe dream.
I get that. But the parents, especially in this case where they were clearly alerted to a potential issue, possibly allowed this kid to take one of THEIR guns and commit a heinous act.
It's even less responsibllity or burden than dram shop laws. If the FBI or local LE come talk to you about your kid even joking about shooting up a school and you let a gun get out the door? I dunno man, those parents should have to answer for it.
So, respectfully, facts are important. I think a major issue that quite a few of you guys on the "do something about the guns" issue have is that you truly aren't familiar with what you are trying to regulate and/or you are horrible at communicating your true intentions. I highlight this paragraph as one where I would probably be less inclined to hear your opinion or take it seriously because of what appears to be a gross misunderstanding around the purchase of firearms in general and what types of guns are being purchased.
I’m with you. And the kid is little. 14. Some pretty shitty parenting.
The FBI comes to your house and then the kid gets your assault rifle you need to go to prison.
So saw this shared on Twitter so take with a grain of salt.....
Woman claiming to be his Aunt said that there was a history of domestic violence in his home and someone else shared a woman who had same last name, they claimed was his mother, who was arrested for meth possession. Again, grain of salt here, but if true his parents are probably a factor in messing him up.
That's BS. Our kids' school got a threat last year and it turned out to be kids in a different district calling the wrong school (same school name). Regardless, school was closed for the day. Any time that occurs, administrators are expected to take them seriously.
This is negligence of the highest order.
Maybe. Just reporting what they said. I wonder why they didn’t have metal detectors. Curious if that was political like masks.
100%. We have some serious parenting issues in our society, including lack thereof. Parents need to be held accountable, like those in Michigan were.
Yea, not blaming you, was more directing that reaction to the Superintendent. I'm sure more will come out because it needs to be explained.
Beyond that, if it is a weekly occurrence that is a hoax, maybe more effort should be spent on tracking down the hoaxers and holding them accountable.
That’s exactly what the dude on CNN said in response. He also said it should be more seriously punished because people obviously die indirectly.
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