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There's not a chance you would say that to my face.
Hilarious that I never mentioned you by name but you immediately recognized yourself. Also funny that, in typical fashion, you responded within minutes. You do nothing but watch women's shows on Bravo and patrol this board 24/7.
WhyisIUBBcursed is spot on. You're essentially a middle-school bully with, I would add, serious anger-management issues. And, like most bullies, you'd run at the first sign of trouble. Pathetic.
Wishing you improved mental health in 2025.
I’d say it to your face in a heartbeat old man. Just like snarl before told you he would when you said that to him. You’re a miserable old man. That’s why you don’t have fun here. Bc your personality absolutely sucks. And you have zero sense of humor. Well and you’re not very bright. And a pussy of course. Who on earth would want to do anything with you other than punch you.
Get help. Change.
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I will add that you’re so angry bc you’re dumber than shit. Your endless Trump predictions fell through. Your bloodbath and all the rest exposed you as a moron. Add jealousy over people who have accomplished unremarkable things show what a loser you are. Your shit on Harris and assistant prosecutors brad and noodle and I fixed set you off. Brad stopped responding to you altogether. Ranger. Your passive aggressive shit is gross. Most of the board can’t stand you save a few few far lefties. You just suck at life bowl bc you have no personality. No sense of humor. Just so angry and unhappy. And make no mistake old man. I’d flatten your head
Carry on you miserable dumb shit. I’m sure 2025 will suck for you
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Wow. I’m flattered that you can recall what I posted almost 8 years ago and bring it up today. Seriously, I’m glad you read and recall that. I don’t even remember everything I post but I do remember making that comment about Musk as well as other similar comments.
In 2017 I had just read Ashlee Vance’s Musk biography. In 2008 Musk was broke. Tesla and Space x were close to becoming extinct. Elon was staying at his brother’s home here in Boulder and over the holidays hatched a last ditch plan to raise capital and save the businesses. That worked. But to sustain Tesla, Musk needed government support. His plan for achieving that was as creative and innovative as everything else he did. Of course he was playing to the choir as Obama was throwing money at everything that was not burning fossil fuel.
With the help of Uncle Sam’s purchase bonuses, Tesla survived and thrived. Space x was a little different because it won government contracts the old fashioned way, by making a better product for less cost.
My senior partner used to say if you can’t accommodate change, get out of law and teach Shakespeare, Shakespeare never changes. A lot has changed since I posted that 8 years ago. Government has changed and so has Musk and so have his companies.
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That thread was brought back a couple weeks ago. Happened to take note of your Elon thoughts and figured it might come in handy.
Crony capitalism isn't changing wrt H1Bs. The bait and switch by Trump/Vivek has been documented above. Allowing H1Bs to attract/keep quality people is understandable. Allowing H1Bs so that companies can lower wages, as described by Trump/Vivek above is anti MAGA. Their words.
Lowering wages, lowers the tax base. The guy(Musk) in charge of government efficiency should know that. The fact that H1Bs helps his bottomline doesn't instill confidence in his intentions. There are so many inefficiencies in government, odd he landed on one so beneficial to him, so soon. No?
Not to mention Trump using them, and claiming they were were important to the operation of his properties. My question is, what in the world does a hotel or golf resort operation need with highly educated, highly skilled employees that can't be found here already?
Takes a hell of a long time to teach someone how to correctly skim a pool or edge along the cart paths around the golf course.
You guys would rather talk about potential philosophical arguments within the Republican Party than focus on actual policies. That is some small thinking.
So should the policy be to include groundskeepers and housekeepers in the H1B program?
No need. We use immigrants - illegal and illegal - for groundskeepers and housekeepers today.
Because he doesn't just employ groundkeepers and housekeepers.
I am talking about policy. I take pleasure in the rift in the Republican party. Not because it's hurting the party, but because the shift is fascinating and intellectually stimulating.
We are finding ourselves agreeing with people we never thought possible. Or at least I am. It’s been 44 years since we've had a period like this. I love it. I can’t wait for the Democratic primaries. Hopefully, things shift/adjust.
He needs them to cook the books to cover up his hush payments?
I wondered the same thing. Trump has had so many businesses, I just took him at his word. No reason to lie about it.
And please don't accuse me of small thinking again. Remember, only one of us knows when we're being lied to.
H1B is one thing. DOGE is a different thing.
Is there a bright line separating the H1B uses you mentioned? I fully agree that H1B is subject to abuse. So is Medicare, probably the most abused federal program. We won’t get rid of Medicare because of fraud.
You’re trying way too hard, moonbat. You’re far beyond the pathetic stage of your charade.
Obviously, population growth is a transitory (I remember you like that word) issue exacerbating our debt issues. H1B could be a great way to help reduce the impacts of said growth problem. However, it's not as effective if the primary objective is to offer salary relief to the industries using them. Higher salaries/wages should equal higher payroll taxes.
Let's see if the results are focused on our nation's problems as a whole, or just lead to more wealth distribution to the top.
Actually, it is. SpaceX probably doesn't exist long enough to get to that point without govt help earlier:
SpaceX’s Launch to Success: How Federal Grants and Contracts Helped Elon Musk Reach New Heights
For more resources check out iFund Lab resources here. To have this article emailed to you, sign up here.
And the space program that Musk is building upon, of course, is all the result of our government throwing money at a situation and actually employing a lot of amazing innovators through NASA from '58 through ~'88.
That has nothing to do with your statement that the left believes the government represents innovation, though. I still am not quite sure what you meant.
The falcon rocket and Merlin engine were privately funded. Federal contracts didn’t come until Space x was several years down its highly successful path. The grants and contracts were specific and requiredActually, it is. SpaceX probably doesn't exist long enough to get to that point without govt help earlier:
SpaceX’s Launch to Success: How Federal Grants and Contracts Helped Elon Musk Reach New Heights
For more resources check out iFund Lab resources here. To have this article emailed to you, sign up here.www.linkedin.com
And the space program that Musk is building upon, of course, is all the result of our government throwing money at a situation and actually employing a lot of amazing innovators through NASA from '58 through ~'88.
That has nothing to do with your statement that the left believes the government represents innovation, though. I still am not quite sure what you meant.
milestones and deliverables. None were general slush-fund boondoggles like we saw, for example, in the “new green energy economy”.
What I meant by my comment is that government is fundamentally different from the great innovators and entrepreneurs. In fact, I think a case can be made that government retail subsidies, tax benefits, etc. actually stifles innovation.
Bah humbug. Those things would have happened without Government funding. And it would have happened probably quicker and cheaper.Actually, it is. SpaceX probably doesn't exist long enough to get to that point without govt help earlier:
SpaceX’s Launch to Success: How Federal Grants and Contracts Helped Elon Musk Reach New Heights
For more resources check out iFund Lab resources here. To have this article emailed to you, sign up here.
And the space program that Musk is building upon, of course, is all the result of our government throwing money at a situation and actually employing a lot of amazing innovators through NASA from '58 through ~'88.
That has nothing to do with your statement that the left believes the government represents innovation, though. I still am not quite sure what you meant.
I could be wrong, but I'm betting a good portion of Space X success is a direct result of NASA engineers. It’s probably not a coincidence that as NASA's space programs were minimized, Space X grew into a household name. ICBW, just a hunch.
If COH had been in charge we would have gone to the moon in 1965 and at half the cost.
No, it wouldn't have.
There was no profit in rocketry until the govt created a market. (There is none in space travel or space exploration--at least as of now.) All of the money is made in servicing satellites now. Back in the 50s, that was more true since we didn't have or know what we would use satellites for. In other words, we didn't go to space because we thought it profitable, we went because we were afraid the Russians would get an unknown military and technical advantage over us. So we spent government funds to develop a program. For decades. Later, the govt created a market for SpaceX to service, without which it would never have come into existence. But prior to SpaceX's existence, the US taxpayers had funneled over $ 1 trillion into NASA and much, much more to space tech, rocket tech, etc. through the Pentagon.
These are facts.
Those are just investments Brad. Businesses get them all the time when they’re not profitable. Unless you’re arguing that there will never be profit in rocketry or space exploration/travel? Then my answer is, it’s a waste of money.
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Global satellite revenue was estimated to be $285,000,000,000 in 2023. There are several companies trying to catch up and get a piece. It would have happened without govt money, just not as quickly possibly and perhaps not with space x.
SIA reports more record growth for the global commercial satellite industry
Global satellite industry revenue climbed 2% year-on-year to $285 billion for 2023, according to the Satellite Industry Association’s 27th annual space economy snapshot released June 13.
spacenews.com
Rocket Lab | About Us | Rocket Lab
Our mission is to remove barriers to commercial space. The Electron Program was founded on the belief that small payloads require dedicated small launch vehicles and flexibility.
Rocket lab was started in New Zealand by a guy who isn't even a trained engineer. Self taught and hired good people.
NASA is science. SpaceX is commercial. NASA didn’t create the market, the market is the result of demand for the service.
NASA, the DOD. Space Force, and Comcast are Space X customers.
Shotwell predicts Starship to be most valuable part of SpaceX
While Starlink is becoming a moneymaker for SpaceX, the company’s president believes that Starship will have a bigger long-term impact.
spacenews.com
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On your last point, re investment in space exploration/travel, that is one of my biggest fears.
"NASA is science" is a weird sentence. NASA is an agency of the U.S. government. It does a lot of science. It used to do a lot of engineering. All funded by the government.NASA is science. SpaceX is commercial. NASA didn’t create the market, the market is the result of demand for the service.
NASA, the DOD. Space Force, and Comcast are Space X customers.
Shotwell predicts Starship to be most valuable part of SpaceX
While Starlink is becoming a moneymaker for SpaceX, the company’s president believes that Starship will have a bigger long-term impact.
I don't understand: you don't think there were satellites prior to the existence of SpaceX?Global satellite revenue was estimated to be $285,000,000,000 in 2023. There are several companies trying to catch up and get a piece. It would have happened without govt money, just not as quickly possibly and perhaps not with space x.
SIA reports more record growth for the global commercial satellite industry
Global satellite industry revenue climbed 2% year-on-year to $285 billion for 2023, according to the Satellite Industry Association’s 27th annual space economy snapshot released June 13.
Rocket Lab | About Us | Rocket Lab
Our mission is to remove barriers to commercial space. The Electron Program was founded on the belief that small payloads require dedicated small launch vehicles and flexibility.www.rocketlabusa.com
Rocket lab was started in New Zealand by a guy who isn't even a trained engineer. Self taught and hired good people.
At least I've got one person admitting that it is at least possible that NASA's efforts might have sped up our entry to space. Of course, it was 100% the but for cause of us being in space in as soon as we were. Private industry was doing NOTHING to get us there in the 50s and 60s and no company had enough money to put into it, anyway, and it would have been a foolish proposition since there was ZERO profit in it then. The profit didn't come about until NASA and other govt programs (here and elsewhere) spent all the R&D money, and showed what satellites could do. No one was preventing private industry from getting involved in rocketry between the late 50s and early 2000s.
I'm not arguing that Musk didn't advance the ball or that he didn't spy a good business opportunity. I'm just pointing out that of all the markets you could point to for govt not being necessary, space exploration in our history is second probably only to military products in being an inapt example.
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