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Harris vs. Trump 2024

IUfanBorden said:
It was? I dont recall his age, acuity, really being discussed---that is, not until Kamala was subbed in.
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One of the reasons Trump is having so much difficulty and being forced to reshape his whole camapign is because pre-Harris his campaign was largely Biden = old and senile. Have you truly not heard him whine about how it wasn't fair that he spent "millions" to campaign against Biden?



Hell he's attacking Biden for not being able to remember where he is, at the same time he's whining like a spoiled brat...

And if the claim is that it wasn't discussed here...

A simple site search of "Biden old" reveals 10 pages worth of posts on the subject...
 
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cosmickid said:
One of the reasons Trump is having so much difficulty and being forced to reshape his whole camapign is because pre-Harris his campaign was largely Biden = old and senile. Have you truly not heard him whine about how it wasn't fair that he spent "millions" to campaign against Biden?

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Hell he's attacking Biden for not being able to remember where he is, at the same time he's whining like a spoiled brat...

And if the claim is that it wasn't discussed here...

A simple site search of "Biden old" reveals 10 pages worth of posts on the subject...
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I was talking about Trumps age...Being discussed.
 
cosmickid said:
One of the reasons Trump is having so much difficulty and being forced to reshape his whole camapign is because pre-Harris his campaign was largely Biden = old and senile. Have you truly not heard him whine about how it wasn't fair that he spent "millions" to campaign against Biden?

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Hell he's attacking Biden for not being able to remember where he is, at the same time he's whining like a spoiled brat...

And if the claim is that it wasn't discussed here...

A simple site search of "Biden old" reveals 10 pages worth of posts on the subject...
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And now, proving Trump's complete lack of perception, Trump is claiming that VP Harris is exactly the same as President Joe Biden.

Huh?

Doesn't Trump's failing memory serve to inform him that VP Pence (fortunately) was not the same as President Donald Trump?

So then, what is Trump's explanation why he thinks there is no there is no separation between a Democrat vice president (i.e. Harris) and a Democrat President (i.e. Biden)?

Geez, someone please nudge/kick Trump and wake him (if you can).
 
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And now, proving Trump's complete lack of perception, Trump is claiming that VP Harris is exactly the same as President Joe Biden.

Huh?

Doesn't Trump's failing memory serve to inform him that VP Pence (fortunately) was not the same as President Donald Trump?

So then, what is Trump's explanation why he thinks there is no there is no separation between a Democrat vice president (i.e. Harris) and a Democrat President (i.e. Biden)?

Geez, someone please nudge/kick Trump and wake him (if you can).
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What progressive policies did you like?
 
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dbmhoosier said:
😂. They made a huge mistake. Should've stuck with senile Scranton Joe.

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ChicagoFineForNow said:
Ben Shapiro claims to have source(s) on her secret service detail who relayed to him that she spent all her time as VP in her office on her computer playing solitaire. That is definitely something I could see.
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She spent "all her time as VP" playing solitaire, you say? It's reassuring that you believe it.

 
Went to the only early polling place open this week (courthouse) to get it over with today. Left my driveway at 8:12 am. Arrived to no line. Took my time with the ballot and I was still out of there by 8:27 am. Spent more time at the Hardee's drive through afterwards than I did at the polls, and was still pulling into my drive at 8:43 am. Compared to the 2020 General which had many more early places open, I still spent over 2 hours in a line that snaked out the door and down the block.

Ballot security seems to be a point of emphasis compared to 2020. They scanned my ID and verbally verified my address and DoB with me, had me sign the pad & verified my signature, a printer spat out a corresponding barcoded label which they affixed to the ballot envelope. Then they instructed me to sign and date the envelope. Went over ballot instructions including the self sealing envelope and where to put it when I completed the ballot. Very thorough process.
 
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JamieDimonsBalls said:
60 minutes looking great these days

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System is a mess. Soros can sprinkle cash and insert woke lunatic prosecutors to cities he’s likely never even visited. Main stream media’s journalistic integrity thrown out the window in an effort to sway perception. Musk offering $47 for referrals through his dirty pac to garner data from swing state voters.

We need a reboot
 
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All4You said:
Went to the only early polling place open this week (courthouse) to get it over with today. Left my driveway at 8:12 am. Arrived to no line. Took my time with the ballot and I was still out of there by 8:27 am. Spent more time at the Hardee's drive through afterwards than I did at the polls, and was still pulling into my drive at 8:43 am. Compared to the 2020 General which had many more early places open, I still spent over 2 hours in a line that snaked out the door and down the block.

Ballot security seems to be a point of emphasis compared to 2020. They scanned my ID and verbally verified my address and DoB with me, had me sign the pad & verified my signature, a printer spat out a corresponding barcoded label which they affixed to the ballot envelope. Then they instructed me to sign and date the envelope. Went over ballot instructions including the self sealing envelope and where to put it when I completed the ballot. Very thorough process.
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What state?
 
All4You said:
Went to the only early polling place open this week (courthouse) to get it over with today. Left my driveway at 8:12 am. Arrived to no line. Took my time with the ballot and I was still out of there by 8:27 am.
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Drove by the Bton vote center yesterday afternoon and the parking lot was full and there were people lined up outside. Nothing like what I saw in 2016 and 2020 but still busy.
 
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dbmhoosier said:
He's endorsed most of Trump's policies and is almost certainly voting for him. Probably doesn't want to admit it publicly but he'll vote Trump.

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You do realize that tweet is from JAN, right? Clearly some people changed their mind around July or so. Can you guess why that might be?
JamieDimonsBalls said:
60 minutes looking great these days

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So here's my hyper partisan response to all these claims of Harris "word salad"... Donald Trump...

So I'm not familiar with every wingnut twitter twat, so I'm curious do they compare Harris's word salad on a very complex and difficult subject (The Middle East) with this example of Trump word salad/evasion on a basic yes or no question like Child care?

Keep in mind this is before a GOP leaning Economic Club of New York...



As to 60 minutes editing... Is it any more egregious than Fox's editing of Trump's answer to a question regarding declassifying the Epstein files?

What Trump actually said...




What America was shown on Fox/Fiends...




Not only am I not upset by 60 minutes following their usual editing policy, the same way they would have done for all the inane things Trump would've said if he hadn't chickened out over fact checking...

I also think it's another example of the hypocrisy he epitomizes for him to now complain about the same type of editing he benefitted from earlier...Next thing he'll be complaining if a "perfect stranger" happens to walk in off the street to a Chic Fil A in Atlanta and calls Harris her hero. Then we find out later the "perfect stranger" is actually a long time Dem operative who works for a radical left wing group and actually shows up at Harris rallies as a "featured speaker"...

While the Harris campaign would certainly be entitled to engage in such subtrefuge, I'm glad to say that up until this point that's been a purview of MAGA... I hope it stays that way...

I smell another grift, because you know there are people stupid enough to buy a piece of this suit he wore during the "heroic rescue"...


 
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UncleMark said:
Drove by the Bton vote center yesterday afternoon and the parking lot was full and there were people lined up outside. Nothing like what I saw in 2016 and 2020 but still busy.
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Just think if I hadn't been forced to move to Bloomtucky I'd be working on site and able to provide progress reports...

I don't now where this talk of Trump momentum is coming from...Actually I do it's many of the same shady fly by night right wing pollsters who flooded the zone in 2022 with phony polls that established fake avearges on 538 and RCP. For example I'm sure DBM has at one point included a poll from "patriot Polling" which is basically 2 high school kids making random calls. Likely from their basement...Yet they are still listed in the 538 aggregate...

As to early voting it's exceeding Dem expectations in both WI and PA. WI is a state where 80% of the electorate votes prior to election day. And with a presumption that Dems need to bank a 390,000 early vote lead in PA early voting to feel comfortable on election day things are going like gangbusters...

Kudos to Joshua Smithley for his interpid analysis. Even if he is a Boiler...

 
dbmhoosier said:
Perfection.

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Trump calling anyone else a "dummy" is unintentional irony at it's best...

I know that the Right wants to pretend that Biden is at fault for everyting and that everyone loved "the Trump years"... But that is simply a poor attempt at revisionist history...

Trump began his Presidency in 2016 with control of all 3 branches of Govt. I remember following the Morning Consult daily Trump tracker and he started off above water in nearly every red and purple state including PA,MI and WI.But by 3/4 into his first two year term he was underwater by double digits in all 3 of those states and by the 2018 midterms Pubs suffered a huge defeat in the House,barely hung on to the Senate, and in those 3 states in particular Dems swept every statewide race- Gov and Senate. Dems also won the Senate in Ohio...

Of course by 2021 the Dems were in control of the Executive/Legislative branches. The current revisionist trope is that everyone loved Trump and he was extremely popular until the pandemic , which wasn't his fault. But an examination of Trump's favorability immediately prior to the pandemic (Dec 2019) shows that was the opposite of reality...For example a yougove poll in June 2024 rated Biden's disapproval at 54.4%. Yet if you go back to that same poll in Dec 2019 the unfaorables for then President Trump stood at 54%, a difference of .4%
dbmhoosier said:
😂. They made a huge mistake. Should've stuck with senile Scranton Joe.

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The MAGA world has a lot of really dumb talking points, but the faux outrage over the fact that a 1/2 Black 1/2 East Asian tamil woman would alter the different aspects of her bi-lingual culture and upbring depending on her audience at the time seems particularly inane.

Perhaps you've never met down home huckster and phony good old boy John Kennedy who has managed to convince people in LA to put him in the Senate...Or as he's otherwise known Foghorn Leghorn/Mr Haney...



And seriously how stupid is that twitter twat to call the only Presidential candidate this century to have a positive favorability/likability rating "highly unpopular"...
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Kamala Harris : Favorability Polls

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And Walz's favorability numbers are even higher...
 
dbmhoosier said:
Here we go...

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The House certifying the votes of electors of the states isn't just there as a pro forma ritual -- even if it has mostly appeared that way through history.

It's entirely possible there could be valid reasons why the House should not certify electors. It shouldn't be all that controversial when somebody says they won't commit to doing so prior to the election.

This certainly doesn't justify Trump's abhorrent campaign, predicated on the lie that he was the victim of widespread voter fraud, to pressure the House into not certifying the 2020 electors. Nor does it justify any votes against certification in earlier recent elections (including 2016 and 2004). Those weren't valid reasons to vote against certification, they were invalid reasons unsupported by all available evidence.

Lawmakers did a good thing in refreshing the Electoral Count Act to offer better protection against something like 2020 happening again. But nobody should mistake that as a rubber stamp for any state or any slate of electors.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
The House certifying the votes of electors of the states isn't just there as a pro forma ritual -- even if it has mostly appeared that way through history.

It's entirely possible there could be valid reasons why the House should not certify electors. It shouldn't be all that controversial when somebody says they won't commit to doing so prior to the election.

This certainly doesn't justify Trump's abhorrent campaign, predicated on the lie that he was the victim of widespread voter fraud, to pressure the House into not certifying the 2020 electors. Nor does it justify any votes against certification in earlier recent elections (including 2016 and 2004). Those weren't valid reasons to vote against certification, they were invalid reasons unsupported by all available evidence.

Lawmakers did a good thing in refreshing the Electoral Count Act to offer better protection against something like 2020 happening again. But nobody should mistake that as a rubber stamp for any state or any slate of electors.
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The democrats oppose every single measure to make voting more reliable, secure, dependable, and safe from non-eligible voters. They support every measure to make counting more secretive.

I think their stated reason of wanting to maximize voting is hogwash. It doesn’t take widespread fraud to change things.

As @twenty02 observed, when red tape is cut, fraud is rampant.
 
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crazed_hoosier2 said:
The House certifying the votes of electors of the states isn't just there as a pro forma ritual -- even if it has mostly appeared that way through history.

It's entirely possible there could be valid reasons why the House should not certify electors. It shouldn't be all that controversial when somebody says they won't commit to doing so prior to the election.

This certainly doesn't justify Trump's abhorrent campaign, predicated on the lie that he was the victim of widespread voter fraud, to pressure the House into not certifying the 2020 electors. Nor does it justify any votes against certification in earlier recent elections (including 2016 and 2004). Those weren't valid reasons to vote against certification, they were invalid reasons unsupported by all available evidence.

Lawmakers did a good thing in refreshing the Electoral Count Act to offer better protection against something like 2020 happening again. But nobody should mistake that as a rubber stamp for any state or any slate of electors.
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What would be a valid reason for them not certifying? They are thinking Trump will steal it lol after we were told in 2020 that it's impossible and we have the most secure elections in the world? Btw Dems have the governorship and SoS office in almost every battleground state. And Kemp and Ratburger are both full blown RINOs who want Trump to lose.
 
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cosmickid said:
Trump calling anyone else a "dummy" is unintentional irony at it's best...

I know that the Right wants to pretend that Biden is at fault for everyting and that everyone loved "the Trump years"... But that is simply a poor attempt at revisionist history...

Trump began his Presidency in 2016 with control of all 3 branches of Govt. I remember following the Morning Consult daily Trump tracker and he started off above water in nearly every red and purple state including PA,MI and WI.But by 3/4 into his first two year term he was underwater by double digits in all 3 of those states and by the 2018 midterms Pubs suffered a huge defeat in the House,barely hung on to the Senate, and in those 3 states in particular Dems swept every statewide race- Gov and Senate. Dems also won the Senate in Ohio...

Of course by 2021 the Dems were in control of the Executive/Legislative branches. The current revisionist trope is that everyone loved Trump and he was extremely popular until the pandemic , which wasn't his fault. But an examination of Trump's favorability immediately prior to the pandemic (Dec 2019) shows that was the opposite of reality...For example a yougove poll in June 2024 rated Biden's disapproval at 54.4%. Yet if you go back to that same poll in Dec 2019 the unfaorables for then President Trump stood at 54%, a difference of .4%

The MAGA world has a lot of really dumb talking points, but the faux outrage over the fact that a 1/2 Black 1/2 East Asian tamil woman would alter the different aspects of her bi-lingual culture and upbring depending on her audience at the time seems particularly inane.

Perhaps you've never met down home huckster and phony good old boy John Kennedy who has managed to convince people in LA to put him in the Senate...Or as he's otherwise known Foghorn Leghorn/Mr Haney...

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And seriously how stupid is that twitter twat to call the only Presidential candidate this century to have a positive favorability/likability rating "highly unpopular"...
projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Kamala Harris : Favorability Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.
projects.fivethirtyeight.com projects.fivethirtyeight.com

And Walz's favorability numbers are even higher...
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Why are the democrats and never- Trumpers scared out of their shorts with acknowledging anything that Trump was right about? There is a reason why news about Trump is around 96% negative from the media mainstream. They just won’t report about his Iranian policy, energy policy, border policy, USMCA, Abraham accords, criminal justice reform, right to try, and more while pretending none of those things ever happened. To meet Trump, all we hear is Russia hoaxes, good people hoaxes, blood bath hoaxes, end of democracy hyperbole, and people don’t like him. The democrats and never Trumpers never talk about the positives for Kamala, even she gets the biggest campaign cheers for saying “I’m not Trump”.

There is plenty to say about Trump without avoiding the truth and lying about other stuff.

And you think the banality of your post is important?
 
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The democrats oppose every single measure to make voting more reliable, secure, dependable, and safe from non-eligible voters. They support every measure to make counting more secretive.

I think their stated reason of wanting to maximize voting is hogwash. It doesn’t take widespread fraud to change things.

As @twenty02 observed, when red tape is cut, fraud is rampant.
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Are you saying that you subscribe to Trump's claim that he actually won in some/all of the states he challenged (GA, AZ, PA, MI), but for a decisive amount of fraud (that he never even came close to demonstrating...and that his own aides and counsel even thought was bullshit)? Or are you just saying generally that voter fraud does happen?

Because I do agree that voter fraud happens. And my general position on it is that nobody has a very good idea how much it goes on. My guess is that it happens more than most Democrats think it does....and less than most Republicans think it does. But that's just a guess, and very vague one at that.

As such, I'm supportive of pretty much any and all measures that help to secure a free and fair election...so long as they do not constitute substantial burdens to voting. It has always puzzled me that anybody opposes Voter ID, for instance. Opponents claim that it creates too much of a burden and is actually designed to "suppress" voters who are predominantly poor, don't own cars, etc. But given that states make them free and easy to obtain, it doesn't seem like it's any more of a burden than simply registering to vote.

When Indiana's Voter ID law was challenged by Democrats in court, the judge asked the plaintiff (longtime state Rep. Bill Crawford of Indy) if they could produce witnesses to testify about how they were unable to meet the requirements to obtain an ID. They were unable to do so.

If people were actually disenfranchised or "suppressed" from voting because of ID requirements, I suspect we'd know at least some of their names and stories. But the supposed people who fall victim to this are always presented as an amorphous, unspecific, group of people....none of whom have names or stories.
 
crazed_hoosier2 said:
Are you saying that you subscribe to Trump's claim that he actually won in some/all of the states he challenged (GA, AZ, PA, MI), but for a decisive amount of fraud (that he never even came close to demonstrating...and that his own aides and counsel even thought was bullshit)? Or are you just saying generally that voter fraud does happen?
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There is no way to answer this question. Voter fraud is largely undetectable . All we can do is take proactive measures to stop it. But I would say lack of protective measures will increase the likelihood of fraud.
 
dbmhoosier said:
What would be a valid reason for them not certifying? They are thinking Trump will steal it lol after we were told in 2020 that it's impossible and we have the most secure elections in the world? Btw Dems have the governorship and SoS office in almost every battleground state. And Kemp and Ratburger are both full blown RINOs who want Trump to lose.
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What was a valid reason for anybody in the House voting not to certify the 2020 election? Yet Trump not only fomented all kinds of pressures on them to do just that -- up to and including just excommunicating Mike Pence from his good graces -- he even sought to have false electors certified in place of actual ones.

I have no idea what things might hypothetically happen that would actually be just cause for the House to reject the electors for a state or states. I'm simply saying that there could be reasons why it would be the right thing for them to do -- whether it's in Trump's favor or Harris' favor.

My point is that House certification of electors is not supposed to be some pro forma rubber stamp. But you have such a one-track mind in favor of Trump, Trump, Trump....rather than just the proper view that the duly pledged electors -- be they for Trump or Harris -- should have their votes counted and totaled up...and whichever candidate gets >=270 of them should be declared the winner.
 
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