General Milley / Patriot or Tyrant?

[bigmac76]

I lean towards Patriot but will also listen to anyone with the tyrant point of view. Not the first time this has happened in our history as Henry Kissinger did much of the same foreign diplomacy with friends and foes at the end of Nixon's presidency when he went off the deep end mentally.
I do find some comfort there are checks in place for a nuclear launch and one person alone cant perform this exercise.

 

[IU_Hickory]

It was not an envious position to be in. It would have been a disaster had a misunderstanding happened because other countries were worried about a mental midget starting a nuclear war.

I would say he made the right choice given the circumstances. It's too bad the senate failed to do their job when given the opportunity. It would have avoided the issue altogether.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Door No. 3 - self-important fool

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

What indication did Trump ever give that he would have launched a preemptive strike on China?

If this had happened after the election, when Trump really went off the rails, I’d have more sympathy. It still wouldn’t excuse it, but I’d at least be able to imagine a justification for it.

As it is, it shouldn’t go unpunished, in my opinion.

Also, he’s neither a patriot or a tyrant.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

It was not an envious position to be in. It would have been a disaster had a misunderstanding happened because other countries were worried about a mental midget starting a nuclear war.

I would say he made the right choice given the circumstances. It's too bad the senate failed to do their job when given the opportunity. It would have avoided the issue altogether.

Neither. He is a stooge.

• Jefferson park church photo op (All trump)
• China phone call (all Pelosi)
• Bagram (all Blinken)

He’s an ass kissing paper pusher. No mind of his own.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I lean towards Patriot but will also listen to anyone with the tyrant point of view. Not the first time this has happened in our history as Henry Kissinger did much of the same foreign diplomacy with friends and foes at the end of Nixon's presidency when he went off the deep end mentally.
I do find some comfort there are checks in place for a nuclear launch and one person alone cant perform this exercise.

He's a bum and should be court-martialed, obviously.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have NO command authority. Nor is Mille Vanille an advisor to the Democratic Party or the Chinese Communist Party. He does have staff responsibility to the Commander in Chief, only.

There has never been a clearer example of the Deep State in action.

 

[Bowlmania]

I lean towards Patriot but will also listen to anyone with the tyrant point of view. Not the first time this has happened in our history as Henry Kissinger did much of the same foreign diplomacy with friends and foes at the end of Nixon's presidency when he went off the deep end mentally.
I do find some comfort there are checks in place for a nuclear launch and one person alone cant perform this exercise.

There are similarities to the final days of the Nixon presidency. A couple of weeks after Nixon resigned, a New York Times front page story was headlined, "Pentagon Kept Tight Rein in Last Days of Nixon Rule: [Defense Secretary James] Schlesinger and the Joint Chiefs Acted to Insure White House Gave Military Units No Unauthorized Orders." There were serious concerns that an unhinged Nixon could go rogue and order Armageddon. Schlesinger directed that if Nixon gave any nuclear order, military commanders should check with him or Henry Kissinger before executing them. The article further describes Schlesinger and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs as keeping "unusually close control over lines of command" during the last days of Nixon's presidency.

Of course that was then and this is now. There is/was certainly no need to worry about the impulses of a man who refused to acknowledge he lost an election, refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of his successor's presidency, encouraged supporters to come to a "wild" rally in DC to protest the stolen election, and once inquired why we have nuclear weapons if we don't use them.

 

[IU_Hickory]

He's a bum and should be court-martialed, obviously.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have NO command authority. Nor is Mille Vanille an advisor to the Democratic Party or the Chinese Communist Party. He does have staff responsibility to the Commander in Chief, only.

There has never been a clearer example of the Deep State in action.

So you would just hit the button to launch a nuke regardless of how you felt about the mental state of the commander in chief?

Yea, I don't really think that is how it is supposed to work. Calling another country isn't how it is supposed to work either but when you find the people in charge to be yes men, there may not have been much other choice.

 

[Ohio Guy]

What indication did Trump ever give that he would have launched a preemptive strike on China?

If this had happened after the election, when Trump really went off the rails, I’d have more sympathy. It still wouldn’t excuse it, but I’d at least be able to imagine a justification for it.

As it is, it shouldn’t go unpunished, in my opinion.

Also, he’s neither a patriot or a tyrant.

I think those are questions worth asking. As far as I know he didn't do anything publicly, but maybe Milley had reason for legitimate concern behind closed doors.

 

[dbmhoosier]

What if Milley had called up the Taliban and warned them that Biden was about to drone strike an innocent family? Would you feel any different libs?

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

I lean towards Patriot but will also listen to anyone with the tyrant point of view. Not the first time this has happened in our history as Henry Kissinger did much of the same foreign diplomacy with friends and foes at the end of Nixon's presidency when he went off the deep end mentally.
I do find some comfort there are checks in place for a nuclear launch and one person alone cant perform this exercise.

Here is the definition of a patriot:
pa·tri·ot
/ˈpātrēət/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.
   a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

I think he qualifies under that definition. Note, that definition allows for people of all political persuasions (including the KKK and socialists). It also allows for people who act criminally.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

What if Milley had called up the Taliban and warned them that Biden was about to drone strike an innocent family? Would you feel any different libs?

But he didn’t actually warn China of anything.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Here is the definition of a patriot:
pa·tri·ot
/ˈpātrēət/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.
   a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

I think he qualifies under that definition. Note, that definition allows for people of all political persuasions (including the KKK and socialists). It also allows for people who act criminally.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence were traitors, comiited treason, and were patriots. The had strength of character. They had minds of their own.

Pelosi lecturing Milley:

“What I’m saying to you is that if they couldn’t even stop him from an assault on the Capitol, who even knows what else he may do?” Pelosi said. “And is there anybody in charge at the White House who was doing anything but kissing his fat butt all over this?”​

Pelosi added, “You know he’s crazy. He’s been crazy for a long time.”​

“Madam Speaker,” Milley said, “I agree with you on everything.”​

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Milley is a highly malleable dunce. Pelosi was already ramping up the second impeachment at the time of this conversation. Milley should never have engaged her.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Just for my own edification, did he:

1. Call China and tell them that he would keep them in the loop if Trump launched?
2. Call China and tell them that Trump had launched?

Seems like an important distinction.
TIA

 

[mushroomgod_1]

So you would just hit the button to launch a nuke regardless of how you felt about the mental state of the commander in chief?

Yea, I don't really think that is how it is supposed to work. Calling another country isn't how it is supposed to work either but when you find the people in charge to be yes men, there may not have been much other choice.

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point.

The Chairman of the JCofS is not in the command structure. He shouldn't be commanding anyone to do anything. He is not the one who would 'push the button to launch a nuke'. Nor is it his job to ally with the political opposition of the C in C or with the CCP.

There was a rather public firing of a junior commander recently who did much, much less in the way of exceeding his authority. This bum should be fired. Someone wake up Joe and explain the problem.

 

[hoot1]

Before casting judgement on General Milley, shouldn't we determine how reliable is the reporting of Woodward and Costa?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point.

The Chairman of the JCofS is not in the command structure. He shouldn't be commanding anyone to do anything. He is not the one who would 'push the button to launch a nuke'. Nor is it his job to ally with the political opposition of the C in C or with the CCP.

There was a rather public firing of a junior commander recently who did much, much less in the way of exceeding his authority. This bum should be fired. Someone wake up Joe and explain the problem.

Correct. He is the top military advisor to Biden. To think that Biden, Blinken, and Milley are the American brain trust in any world crisis ought to scare the shit out of all of us.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

What if Milley had called up the Taliban and warned them that Biden was about to drone strike an innocent family? Would you feel any different libs?

Some on here may not know that story.

When it happened, the DofD said they had aerial evidence of a man or men (can't remember) loading explosives into the trunk of a car. As it turned out, they were loading containers of water.

It would be interesting to know who made that call, or at least at what command level. Or whetehr there will be any official investigation.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Before casting judgement on General Milley, shouldn't we determine how reliable is the reporting of Woodward and Coasta?

Fair point. But there are other reasons to conclude Milley is bad news.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Here is the definition of a patriot:
pa·tri·ot
/ˈpātrēət/
Learn to pronounce

noun

1. 1.
   a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

I think he qualifies under that definition. Note, that definition allows for people of all political persuasions (including the KKK and socialists). It also allows for people who act criminally.

Whether you think he's a patriot or a bum, the bottom line is that he must be resign or be fired.

Members of the military are not allowed to do their own thing, regardless of their justifications.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Just for my own edification, did he:

1. Call China and tell them that he would keep them in the loop if Trump launched?
2. Call China and tell them that Trump had launched?

Seems like an important distinction.
TIA

I agree with your suggestion multiple house and Senate committees should launch investigations into the possible collusion between Pelosi, The Milley and China.

We the people have a right to know.

 

[IU_Hickory]

Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point.

The Chairman of the JCofS is not in the command structure. He shouldn't be commanding anyone to do anything. He is not the one who would 'push the button to launch a nuke'. Nor is it his job to ally with the political opposition of the C in C or with the CCP.

There was a rather public firing of a junior commander recently who did much, much less in the way of exceeding his authority. This bum should be fired. Someone wake up Joe and explain the problem.

He may not be the one to push the button but at least he was going to try his best to prevent a nuclear war.

You should be more concerned that so many people saw trump as that unhinged.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

He may not be the one to push the button but at least he was going to try his best to prevent a nuclear war.

You should be more concerned that so many people saw trump as that unhinged.

I'm more concerned for you. You are an idiot.

 

[hoot1]

Correct. He is the top military advisor to Biden. To think that Biden, Blinken, and Milley are the American brain trust in any world crisis ought to scare the shit out of all of us.

Our founders put the responsibility on Congress to declare war.

These days the power lies in the executive branch not only to send in the military but to possibly set off a nuclear war which could life on the planet as we know it.

Putting aside the mental stability of a Trump or Biden, what prevents us from electing a crackpot or someone who goes bonkers during a term in office?

 

[dbmhoosier]

He may not be the one to push the button but at least he was going to try his best to prevent a nuclear war.

You should be more concerned that so many people saw trump as that unhinged.

Has anyone here watched the Courier? It's currently on Prime and I saw it last night. Highly recommended for those who haven't watched.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Correct. He is the top military advisor to Biden. To think that Biden, Blinken, and Milley are the American brain trust in any world crisis ought to scare the shit out of all of us.

No problem. Kamala's there to back them up.

 

[hoot1]

Fair point. But there are other reasons to conclude Milley is bad news.

Recently, unlike the past, some in our military are getting raked over the coals along with our politicians.

Does this mean our military as an institution will have a decline in trust to go along with our other institutions ?

 

[IU_Hickory]

I'm more concerned for you. You are an idiot.

Nice comeback sheep. At least I haven't fallen hook line and sinker for republican propaganda. Takes a real idiot to not see past that

 

[Lucy01]

What if Milley had called up the Taliban and warned them that Biden was about to drone strike an innocent family? Would you feel any different libs?

That drone strike was pure theater to take the heat off an incompetent Biden fiasco!

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Our founders put the responsibility on Congress to declare war.

These days the power lies in the executive branch not only to send in the military but to possibly set off a nuclear war which could life on the planet as we know it.

Putting aside the mental stability of a Trump or Biden, what prevents us from electing a crackpot or someone who goes bonkers during a term in office?

Can’t prevent the election, but the Constitution sets out how to get them out of office - (if you can fight your way past Mrs. Wilson).

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Whether you think he's a patriot or a bum, the bottom line is that he must be resign or be fired.

Members of the military are not allowed to do their own thing, regardless of their justifications.

Part of my point here is that being a bum and being a patriot are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

can debate this from either side and make a case for either....BUT...the call to the Chinese general was over the top, uncalled for, and most likely a crime that, in a normal world, would cost him his military retirement and possibly some summers out in sunny Leavenworth. But the rules are different inside the Beltway. They get rich, flaunt the rules, have no accountability, while the rest of us eat cake. DC is rotten to the core. We are not in charge of our county like we've been led to believe.

Wake up sheeple.

 

[IU_Hickory]

can debate this from either side and make a case for either....BUT...the call to the Chinese general was over the top, uncalled for, and most likely a crime that, in a normal world, would cost him his military retirement and possibly some summers out in sunny Leavenworth. But the rules are different inside the Beltway. They get rich, flaunt the rules, have no accountability, while the rest of us eat cake. DC is rotten to the core. We are not in charge of our county like we've been led to believe.

Wake up sheeple.

Yea, we are definitely not in charge.

It's easier to get votes by slinging mud at the opponent (true or not) then it is to get people to see what you have done in office. So there is no accountability for what is done in office because all they have to do is make sure people are entrenched on their political side by making the other side into being evil incarnate.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Recently, unlike the past, some in our military are getting raked over the coals along with our politicians.

Does this mean our military as an institution will have a decline in trust to go along with our other institutions ?

it's because some of our top ranking military persons have chosen to become part-time politicians as well. So, they are subject to the same scrutiny.

 

[hoot1]

Can’t prevent the election, but the Constitution sets out how to get them out of office - (if you can fight your way past Mrs. Wilson).

The nuclear holocaust would have preceded the long drawn out process of removing a president.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

No problem. Kamala's there to back them up.

less we forget...Blinken was the State Dept official who met with Hunter when he hooked up in the Ukraine Burisma 'opportunity'. That's why Blinken all but pleaded the 5th the other day when one of the Republican congressmen asked him about recent FBI testimony and Hunter Biden....caught him off guard and he almost swallowed his tongue. Something really stinks.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Recently, unlike the past, some in our military are getting raked over the coals along with our politicians.

Does this mean our military as an institution will have a decline in trust to go along with our other institutions ?

Yes

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Yea, we are definitely not in charge.

It's easier to get votes by slinging mud at the opponent (true or not) then it is to get people to see what you have done in office. So there is no accountability for what is done in office because all they have to do is make sure people are entrenched on their political side by making the other side into being evil incarnate.

ask yourself a question....if Trump were still president, and had made such a call...would Nancy try to impeach him for it?

You bet your ass. She impeached him for a lesser phone call. Say what you want about Trump's Ukraine call, but it didn't have shades of treason in it.

So then why isn't the left in an uproar over Milley's call/actions?
Because it was in defiance of Trump, whom they hate to the point of blindness.

Crimes are acceptable, even praised, if they gain points against your political enemies.
And no one is held accountable...because they have all the power already (btw...where the hell is John Durham? Is he even still alive??)

That's how screwed up DC is now.

Enjoy your cake, sheeple.

 

[IU_Hickory]

ask yourself a question....if Trump were still president, and had made such a call...would Nancy try to impeach him for it?

You bet your ass. She impeached him for a lesser phone call. Say what you want about Trump's Ukraine call, but it didn't have shades of treason in it.

So then why isn't the left in an uproar over Milley's call/actions?
Because it was in defiance of Trump, whom they hate to the point of blindness.

Crimes are acceptable, even praised, if they gain points against your political enemies.
And no one is held accountable...because they have all the power already (btw...where the hell is John Durham? Is he even still alive??)

That's how screwed up DC is now.

Enjoy your cake, sheeple.

One can see the reasoning behind what Milley did and understand how it could be in our country's best interest...even if you don't agree with it.

However, the only reason behind Trump's abuse of power in his phone call was for personal gain.

There is a distinct difference.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Part of my point here is that being a bum and being a patriot are not mutually exclusive.

It's certainly fair to argue his motivations.

My thought is that if he truly had the level of concern represented, he should have resigned, and spoke to members of both parties in Congress, instead of having secret negotiations with only the high-ranking members of the opposition. That's why he's a bum, among other reasons.