Fred to retire, Archie on the clock
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Totally agree, this is a big year for Archie. Def needs to make the dance. Also must show an improved team from start to finish this year and a solid plan for the Bball program to never go through this again.
Just for grins and giggles, what happens if we get another new athletic director who gets another new coach who goes three more years of no NCAA?
Well, that's not a difficult question: that coach should be fired and replaced. What would you have us do...keep pouring money, time, etc. into a failed hire?
Personally, I think 3 years is sufficient -- at least if your measuring stick is something as minimal as simply making the tournament. Fred Glass made it clear that this year was not a "make or break" for Archie. It remains to be seen if that sentiment survives his exit. I'm guessing that it would, but I certainly hope it ends up a moot issue.
Yes. That coach should be fired also. Not even asking him to win a NCAA game this year. That's how progress is measured. Not by 2 years in the NIT.
Glass is not going to fire the bball coach this year when he's set to retire in the spring. This all but assures Archie a 4th year to get things right. The next AD, however, is sure to cut ties with Archie if men's bball isn't in the tourney in year 4.
I know lots on here love to bash Glass, but I think he's done a good job on the whole. He has not presided over a return to basketball prominence, but virtually every sport at Indiana is in better shape than it was when he arrived, coaches across the board are a substantial upgrade since he arrived, he's leveraged B1G money to improve facilities across the board, the department is in good financial shape, and he appears to have avoided major scandal.
I'm not familiar with any potential internal candidates, but I'd like to see IU hire an out of the box thinker and someone with proven success at the AD level. I hope the search firm/someone on the search committee looks into Danny White at UCF. He's a Notre Dame grad with some familiarity with the Indiana context, and he has been a pretty incredible success as AD at Buffalo and UCF. He's a basketball guy who knows the importance of football. Interestingly, his dad is AD at Duke, one brother is AD at FAU, his other brother is the head bball coach at Florida, and his sister is assistant AD at SMU - I bet Holidays are fun.
Well if he is retiring end of calendar school year, the timing might not be so good on replacing the basketball coach. When will will the new AD arrive and have a grip on what is needed. Then again, it might be ripe for landing an NBA coach. I think (not sure) Billy D's contract is up after this season.
The AD never fires the Coach. The Board and President tell the AD to fire the Coach. Especially the Basketball Coach at Indiana.
Well, 1) while that can and does happen, that's generally not the case, and 2) neither the board nor the president will want to search for a new bball coach with the next AD unknown. Pretty impossible to hire well in that environment, and they know that. Result is the same, Archie will be here for a 4th year.
The same group that hired Davis, Sampson and gave Crean 9 years? Yikes!! ...not optimistic about that decision making crew.
Archie is building a program. Let him do it! IU will be a stable bball power.
Tom Jurich should be the call. Yes, he still has the Pitino stink on his hands. But he’s the best AD in the NCAA. He’d be watched like a Hawk at IU as well. The guy wins. And he wins A LOT.
I'd take money bets that Archie is around.. Even if he doesn't go dancing..
But I believe we will...So it's a moot point..
But I believe we will...So it's a moot point..
LOL. Yeah, we thought Samson had learned his lesson too.
I agree. Tom Jurich is a very good AD. He did a lot of great things at UofL. Facility upgrades, team success overall in the athletic department, and he seems to have a very specific list of replacement candidates if a coach leaves, gets fired, etc...
Ironically, he interviewed for the IU AD job roughly 20 years ago and elected to go to UofL. I was hoping IU would get him back then.
The stink on Jurich goes well beyond just Pitino. Multiple shenanigans came to light after his depature at UofL -- this would be a huge mistake
https://owlsports.com/staff-directory/dr-patrick-kraft/474
Prior to Temple, Kraft served two years (2011-13) as the Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director at Loyola University Chicago. He was also a member of the senior staff at his alma mater, Indiana University, serving as Senior Assistant Director from 2009-11.
Kraft played football as an undergraduate at Indiana and holds three degrees from the University. He earned a bachelor’s degree in sports marketing/management (2000), a master’s degree in athletic administration (2005), and a doctorate in sports management (2008).
Kraft and his wife, Betsy, reside in Haddonfield, N.J., with their daughter, Annabelle, and son, Joseph.
Does Glass' retirement assure Miller a 4th year? Maybe, but I'm not sure about that. With Glass retiring at the end of the academic year, that would definitely make the timing of a firing awkward.
That said, it ought to go without saying that Miller wouldn't survive 4 years without a tournament appearance. Good Lord, I can't believe I even have to type that. It's depressingly amazing just how far our standards have fallen.
Really, whoever is or isn't the AD, our men's basketball coach shouldn't survive 3 years coming up empty....particularly when you're watching what's going on at places like Auburn, OSU, etc. This nonsense that "it takes at least 4-5 years!" is nothing but an excuse to defuse, or at least delay, the criticism.
It doesn't actually take that long. It just takes the right guy.
Thanks Rak. He appears to check a lot of boxes.https://owlsports.com/staff-directory/dr-patrick-kraft/474
Prior to Temple, Kraft served two years (2011-13) as the Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director at Loyola University Chicago. He was also a member of the senior staff at his alma mater, Indiana University, serving as Senior Assistant Director from 2009-11.
Kraft played football as an undergraduate at Indiana and holds three degrees from the University. He earned a bachelor’s degree in sports marketing/management (2000), a master’s degree in athletic administration (2005), and a doctorate in sports management (2008).
Kraft and his wife, Betsy, reside in Haddonfield, N.J., with their daughter, Annabelle, and son, Joseph.
What do people think? Should he be our next AD?
https://owlsports.com/staff-directory/dr-patrick-kraft/474
Prior to Temple, Kraft served two years (2011-13) as the Executive Senior Associate Athletics Director at Loyola University Chicago. He was also a member of the senior staff at his alma mater, Indiana University, serving as Senior Assistant Director from 2009-11.
Kraft played football as an undergraduate at Indiana and holds three degrees from the University. He earned a bachelor’s degree in sports marketing/management (2000), a master’s degree in athletic administration (2005), and a doctorate in sports management (2008).
Kraft and his wife, Betsy, reside in Haddonfield, N.J., with their daughter, Annabelle, and son, Joseph.
Thanks for the article. Do you know him personally?
Maybe but the environment would be very toxic. That would be four years with no ncaa berth. I think alot of fans would be out for blood
The Spring Semester ends May 8th -- and that's roughly when Glass will retire.
I think it's very safe to assume that, barring something unforeseen, Glass will not be firing Archie Miller. And, should Glass' successor even want to make a coaching change, the timing would be horrible.
So I think it's probably right to say that this announcement guarantees Miller a 4th year. But he was essentially guaranteed that by Glass already -- who said that it wasn't a "make or break" year for Miller.
I agree it shouldn't take more than 3 years to make the tourney, but Archie isn't getting fired unless the bottom falls out this year. The one good thing is the new A.D. doesn't have any attachment to Archie.
He would be my second choice behind Chris Reynolds, the Bradley AD and former IU point guard.
I read the link, read the Temple Athletics annual report, and googled a bit - there's nothing glaringly bad or good about him from a cursory search. If he were not an IU grad, I don't believe he would be considered a top candidate, and I don't think being an IU grad should make him one. That kind of provincialism drives me nuts and leads to small dreams.
I would agree, but if we don't make the tournament this year, there's going to be a lot of turmoil and pressure. Personally, I think 3 years at a school with the resources and expectations of IU is enough, but if you want to get rid of Archie, this is probably bad news, especially if we don't make the tourney this year.
This almost assures Archie a 4th year and rightfully so.
But a new AD will want new blood if a guy he hired isn't winning.
But a new AD will want new blood if a guy he hired isn't winning.
Correct. The likelihood of Archie being let go this season was already slim to none, this just moves the needle to none. It would be a terrible time and situation in which to replace a basketball coach.
Hmmm. Now that I think about i this would be par for the IU course.
Well, I agree. I'm not saying Archie should get a 4th year if he fails to make the tourney in each of his first 3.
In fact, if that were to happen, he should be apologizing profusely to all of us and refusing to cash the massive checks he's getting. It's absurd that we're even having this conversation, quite honestly. But I guess we've basically chosen to have significantly lower standards -- or, at least, the people who matter have chosen that.
But, since we know that Glass had already given Miller a pass on this year, and we know that he's going to be here until May, then it makes a coaching change before next season implausible.
I can not see any school hiring someone that they would "have to watch like a hawk" and especially a school like IU. The mess at UL came on his watch and the alum and academic priorities there are way different than at IU. We all like to see our teams win but let us continue to do it the right way and any one who does not agree with that goal do not bother to dispute me because you find me a poor listener. I am skilled at being unreasonable.
Rightfully so?
I personally can't see how even Archie's biggest fan would be saying that, based on results to date, he has any kind of rightful claim to continue on...particularly if we whiff again. Hell, he himself has made public comments about how dissatisfied he is with the results. Do tell, Ryan Joseph. Do tell.
That said, Glass had already made clear Archie would get another season, regardless how this season goes.
That's how we roll these days.
And it shows.
No, never met him. I just think he would be a great AD for Indiana.
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