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It was 7 percent, zeke. I don't find that all that startling of a number. I mean, it does take a special kind of idiot to think that chocolate milk comes from brown cows. But it's not like the number was 30% or something like that.

And I have no idea what it has to do with Donald Trump or politics, regardless.
 
To what end, though?

I'm not sure I see the downside to being an outcast on this. Does it mean that we can't have solar and wind and other renewable energy industries? No. Is it going to disrupt our international trading relationships? I guess that remains to be seen -- but I seriously doubt it. About all I can see is that it's made Merkel, Macron, Pope Francis, etal say mean things about us. Oh well.

What next? Are they going to say "Now, go away or I zhall taunt you a zecond time-ah."

What is the upside? It embarrasses Obama?
 
Mm, I disagree. When you make a commitment to an international accord of any kind, you either abide that commitment or else face the wrath of everybody else in it if you don't.

Even you said that penalties for non-compliance could come at a future conference. Are we to leave then? Or does our understanding that this day is likely to come mean that we're already in a subordinate position?

Anyway, if it really is a matter of us just establishing goals and either meeting them or not, without consequences if we don't, then we can do that just fine on our own.
We already made and broke a commitment, so whatever wrath we have to abide is already coming.

The history of modern civilization shows that countries meet important goals better when they don't go on their own. Fact is, you can't justify dropping out of Paris. You're ideologically tied to it, and just like CO.H, no matter what facts you are presented with, you'll use them as justification for a belief that you have no intention of examining critically, even when some of that reasoning is mutually inconsistent.
 
What is the upside? It embarrasses Obama?

That's a decent question. I think the upside would be a better Paris accord. One that is longer on meaning and shorter on theater. But a lot of that depends on the ability of the Trump administration to pull that off.
 
We already made and broke a commitment, so whatever wrath we have to abide is already coming.

The history of modern civilization shows that countries meet important goals better when they don't go on their own. Fact is, you can't justify dropping out of Paris. You're ideologically tied to it, and just like CO.H, no matter what facts you are presented with, you'll use them as justification for a belief that you have no intention of examining critically, even when some of that reasoning is mutually inconsistent.

Good lord. Then why all the hand-wringing over Russia? We have substantial mutual interests in Space and rocket science.
 
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It was 7 percent, zeke. I don't find that all that startling of a number. I mean, it does take a special kind of idiot to think that chocolate milk comes from brown cows. But it's not like the number was 30% or something like that.

And I have no idea what it has to do with Donald Trump or politics, regardless.
You missed the 48% that don't know where it comes from? What it has to do with Donald Trump/politics was the remark that was made that I must think there are lots of idiots in the country. This was an example that yes, there are indeed.
 
That's a decent question. I think the upside would be a better Paris accord. One that is longer on meaning and shorter on theater. But a lot of that depends on the ability of the Trump administration to pull that off.

You have absolutely any logical reason to think the Trump admin will lift even a pinkie to work on a "better" agreement? That's so laughable I can't believe you bothered typing that.

This issue is in the drawer until after 2020 when his entire presidency is cast into the dustbin of really bad ideas.
 
You have absolutely any logical reason to think the Trump admin will lift even a pinkie to work on a "better" agreement? That's so laughable I can't believe you bothered typing that.

This issue is in the drawer until after 2020 when his entire presidency is cast into the dustbin of really bad ideas.
What do you know? You laughed at me when I said Trump would win! So you really don't know shit!
 
The reason I am asking is because he posted about it several years ago, indicating that he felt he only had months to live.

I am well aware that some folks beat the odds. He also claimed to be the son of a well known judge whom, I believe Lagoda knew. If memory serves, his father passed away a few years back.

I have no ide if Dave is on the level or not. Hence, my question as to whether anyone had actually ever met him.
I don't think it was Dave whose father I knew. That is a blank to me - someone else must have known his family. Or I forget.
 
That's a decent question. I think the upside would be a better Paris accord. One that is longer on meaning and shorter on theater. But a lot of that depends on the ability of the Trump administration to pull that off.
And which is an actual treaty and is ratified by the US Senate before it is given the slightest force of law and then followed exactly as we read it..
 
It's just like, my opinion, man.

FWIW, I still laugh at you.
Not as much as I laugh at you, its people like you that contributed to the softball shooting! People like that nut job shooter was listening to your views not mine.
 
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I've milked white and brown cows. I can vouch that all milk comes squirting out of those tits white. Lol.
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I see today that Ted Nugent has said he is going to tone down his rhetoric in response to the shooting.
 
And which is an actual treaty and is ratified by the US Senate before it is given the slightest force of law and then followed exactly as we read it..

You've wandered into the realm of the absurd if you think this Administration will pursue something like that. It's too busy eliminating domestic environmental efforts, for one thing.
 
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Looking back through this thread you are correct. I dunno, maybe some posts were deleted. Your's is the worst .
DougS's is by far the worst. Compare the relative importance of Doug being wrong and Dave was and still is dying from cancer and Doug being right and we're getting played. A grave health condition versus an online trivial butthurt. Shame on DougS. But he's not the first. Others play this attack dog game of speculating that they're getting played, as if it matters. But this time, it's simply and utterly uncalled for. By DougS's very words, acknowledging that Dave once admitted his health issue.
 
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/201152/conservative-liberal-gap-continues-narrow-tuesday.aspx

A Gallup poll found in January 2017 that 25% of the population was liberal. Do you really expose that 75% who disagree with liberal policies are idiots and delusional and you are the only ones who have it right and all the answers. Does not majority have some place in our political thinking without having to shoot them or show them no respect for a different political belief. It seems to me we have forgotten that our democracy has made us great. That our veterans and first responders should be honored and not demeaned and that America is a proud melting pot of all beliefs which should be respected. Some will be happy this is my last post as I cannot understand all the anger from the left and disrespect for the beliefs of others. I cannot believe on a "Hoosier" blog we have such anger and disrespect for many of our graduates just because they have differing opinions. Could say a lot more but TheHoosier.com is now deleted. God Bless America!!
Wow. So much nonsense in one post.
 
It's still early, of course. But, honestly, this conservative been pleasantly surprised by what I've seen thus far (I'm talking policy here, not the daily sideshow). As I long said, Trump was my last choice among the GOP candidates -- and my primary reason was that he pretty clearly wasn't (and isn't) a conservative. Where he falls ideologically depends on which day you ask him, I gather.

But I've been reviewing some of the details of the work being done on regulation reduction, and it all sounds pretty good to me. He greenlighted the Keystone pipeline, got us out from underneath the Paris sham, seems to be making progress on tossing Obamacare, has nominated some fine judges, and has made good strides on immigration enforcement. He's also proposed some significant spending reductions -- although they aren't the kind we really ought to be looking for.

I've never been the world's biggest Mike Pence fan. In fact, I was having a discussion the other day with a friend who is Exec. Director of a fairly big industry group about Holcomb's first session. We both agreed that he's done well to date -- and both said about the same time that Holcomb seems to have studied more at Daniels' feet than at Pence's (and that this was a good thing).

That said, I do think that Pence is, basically and unlike Trump, an orthodox conservative. But I'm very skeptical he'd be riding the policy horse as hard as Trump has been -- let alone flying the bird at the proverbial peanut gallery.
The Paris sham? Can you even name, specifically, what it entails? So you like keeping company solely with Nicaragua (who wanted it to be tougher) and Syria?

As for healthcare, you've mentioned a few times now that you seem bizarrely excited by what is happening in that area. How in the hell is the plan they're trying to shove forward in any way, shape, or form better than Obamacare? It's a disaster. And they're doing it in secrecy. And actually, even Trump apparently thinks it's "too mean."

Trump really hasn't done anything other than promote himself and act like a buffoon. I think I've asked you this before, and you refuse to specify.
 
Lots of policymakers opposed our participation in Paris. That's precisely why Obama never sought ratification in the Senate. He knew he'd never have gotten it.

So what's ultimately the difference between opposing becoming signatory to such a proposed accord and pulling out of it at some later date?

Besides, he said he'd be willing to revisit it -- so long as the accord was a bit more of an even playing field. Understandably, the initial reaction was to scoff at the suggestion. But, if it's really that important to the ongoing health of the planet, seems to me that other world leaders would acquiesce.
You have no idea what the Paris agreement actually says, do you?

There's nothing to "renegotiate." And we're not even technically out of it until the day after the 2020 election.
 
Oh, I know. Don't take it up with me, though. Take it up with those who went into cardiac arrest over our exit.

Of course we can still determine our own targets outside of Paris -- and, this way, we don't have to subordinate ourselves to other nations (many of which, as I said, would love nothing more than to hamstring us).
My biggest issue with the whole thing is that I think it's pretty obvious that Trump doesn't even know what the damn thing says. He blatantly lied a few times about what was required of us and what it actually says.
 
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$50.00 to a Three Musketeers bar you'll be back within a year.
You were correct. He was "gone" for a day.

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My biggest issue with the whole thing is that I think it's pretty obvious that Trump doesn't even know what the damn thing says. He blatantly lied a few times about what was required of us and what it actually says.

People have been told to keep things to one page so Donnie can better follow along and understand
 
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I don't by any means think conservatives are delusional or idiots. I do think people that voted for Trump are.

Most people who voted for Trump were not voting for the man, obviously. They were voting for his positions against big government, open borders, unfair trade deals, weak foreign policy and against HRC.......get it?

306/232
 
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Most people who voted for Trump were not voting for the man, obviously. They were voting for his positions against big government, open borders, unfair trade deals, weak foreign policy and against HRC.......get it?

306/232
Welcome to La La Land Bruce;) You won't change Zekes mind no matter how hard you try.
 
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You've wandered into the realm of the absurd if you think this Administration will pursue something like that. It's too busy eliminating domestic environmental efforts, for one thing.
You might have missed my point. Lemme help. The Paris accords - whatever it was called, SHOULD have been treated like the treaty it is and that requires ratification by the Senate. Obama conveniently decided to try to give it the force of a treaty without having the Senate ratify because he knew damned well that it could never get ratified if he followed the Constitution. I'm not talking about any future ratification. I'm noting the extra-Constitutional effort by a former President to wire around the Constitution - not an unusual feature of his term, but distinct from anything to do with present or future.
 
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You might have missed my point. Lemme help. The Paris accords - whatever it was called, SHOULD have been treated like the treaty it is and that requires ratification by the Senate. Obama conveniently decided to try to give it the force of a treaty without having the Senate ratify because he knew damned well that it could never get ratified if he followed the Constitution. I'm not talking about any future ratification. I'm noting the extra-Constitutional effort by a former President to wire around the Constitution - not an unusual feature of his term, but distinct from anything to do with present or future.

If that was your point, why did you begin your post as a follow-on statement to CO Hoosier's post about the upside of renegotiating Paris?

As far as your latest point, the only way that makes any sense as a reason to withdraw would be if you wanted a more binding accord.
 
Your bias is overwhelmingly funny. "Other Govs will likely stick to their commitments?" China? LOL, sure they will, just like Iran is doing on the nuclear deal. on the other hand maybe they will since they are allowed to continue increasing their emissions until 2030.

http://www.cfact.org/2017/06/03/china-sticking-to-the-paris-agreement-in-name-only/

What is your point? Oh, you have none. The article says they remain committed to the agreement. So thanks for agreeing, I guess.

Making the Iranian comment - which is an entirely different issue - is a nice attempt at distraction and deflection, though.

Regardless, my comment was in relation to a discussion I was having regarding leaders in developed nations.

You support a clown and con artist that will likely lead to total Democratic control of govt by 2020....while achieving next to nothing in the 4 year interim. I don't support that....and the sooner I can convince other Republicans that the best course of action is politically dumping him, the least amount of damage it will do. So yes, I'm biased.
 
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