Florida sheriff battling antisemitism

[Marvin the Martian]

Below is a story of a Florida Sheriff battling antisemitism in his county, which has resulted in him being targeted. He is working to get a law passed making certain actions a felony. For example, a group of racists had taken a projector and projected "Hitler was right" onto Daytona Speedway. That would be a felony. As he distinguishes it, the 1st allows someone to hold a sign up on their property or on public property but not on someone else's private property.

I heard another story that when these people fly into Daytona now, he meets them at the airport and wishes them a good stay. Since he's receiving death threats, a bold move.

I heard a story with him this morning. He voted Trump in 16 and 20, but he believes that antisemitism/racism in his area really took off after the "good people on both sides" comment. So he hopes if Trump wins again, he will walk that back. But the story linked below suggests he gave up on Trump after Jan 6.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/20/florida-sheriff-hate-crimes/

If that article is paywalled, there is this one:

Florida sheriff blasts ‘cowardly scumbags’ behind string of antisemitic messages

The sheriff challenged the group to “put a bullet in the back of my head”

www.independent.co.uk

“That's my message to you: go for it,” he said. “You want to try to get into my computer and plant child porn in there with a group of people that have an IQ of 12? Go for it. I challenge you to go for it. You want to put surveillance on me 24 hours [a day]? Go for it. And the best of all: you’re going to dox me and make me unelectable? Go for it. You came to the wrong county. I stand with my Jewish friends and I'm honored to be on your hit list. It's an honor to be sought after by a bunch of punk thugs like you.”​

 

[Courtsensetwo]

Below is a story of a Florida Sheriff battling antisemitism in his county, which has resulted in him being targeted. He is working to get a law passed making certain actions a felony. For example, a group of racists had taken a projector and projected "Hitler was right" onto Daytona Speedway. That would be a felony. As he distinguishes it, the 1st allows someone to hold a sign up on their property or on public property but not on someone else's private property.

I heard another story that when these people fly into Daytona now, he meets them at the airport and wishes them a good stay. Since he's receiving death threats, a bold move.

I heard a story with him this morning. He voted Trump in 16 and 20, but he believes that antisemitism/racism in his area really took off after the "good people on both sides" comment. So he hopes if Trump wins again, he will walk that back. But the story linked below suggests he gave up on Trump after Jan 6.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/20/florida-sheriff-hate-crimes/

If that article is paywalled, there is this one:

Florida sheriff blasts ‘cowardly scumbags’ behind string of antisemitic messages

The sheriff challenged the group to “put a bullet in the back of my head”

www.independent.co.uk

“That's my message to you: go for it,” he said. “You want to try to get into my computer and plant child porn in there with a group of people that have an IQ of 12? Go for it. I challenge you to go for it. You want to put surveillance on me 24 hours [a day]? Go for it. And the best of all: you’re going to dox me and make me unelectable? Go for it. You came to the wrong county. I stand with my Jewish friends and I'm honored to be on your hit list. It's an honor to be sought after by a bunch of punk thugs like you.”​

Good for him.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

That's a lot of work just to mention Trump. Here's another one that happened in 2016. Thanks Trump

Thanks Trump

 

[Bowlmania]

Below is a story of a Florida Sheriff battling antisemitism in his county, which has resulted in him being targeted. He is working to get a law passed making certain actions a felony. For example, a group of racists had taken a projector and projected "Hitler was right" onto Daytona Speedway. That would be a felony. As he distinguishes it, the 1st allows someone to hold a sign up on their property or on public property but not on someone else's private property.

I heard another story that when these people fly into Daytona now, he meets them at the airport and wishes them a good stay. Since he's receiving death threats, a bold move.

I heard a story with him this morning. He voted Trump in 16 and 20, but he believes that antisemitism/racism in his area really took off after the "good people on both sides" comment. So he hopes if Trump wins again, he will walk that back. But the story linked below suggests he gave up on Trump after Jan 6.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/20/florida-sheriff-hate-crimes/

If that article is paywalled, there is this one:

Florida sheriff blasts ‘cowardly scumbags’ behind string of antisemitic messages

The sheriff challenged the group to “put a bullet in the back of my head”

www.independent.co.uk

“That's my message to you: go for it,” he said. “You want to try to get into my computer and plant child porn in there with a group of people that have an IQ of 12? Go for it. I challenge you to go for it. You want to put surveillance on me 24 hours [a day]? Go for it. And the best of all: you’re going to dox me and make me unelectable? Go for it. You came to the wrong county. I stand with my Jewish friends and I'm honored to be on your hit list. It's an honor to be sought after by a bunch of punk thugs like you.”​

That's called character. And courage. God bless Mike Chitwood.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

That's a lot of work just to mention Trump. Here's another one that happened in 2016. Thanks Trump

Thanks Trump

Any comments on the sheriff?

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Any comments on the sheriff?

Seems that he is fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Any antisemitic folks should have a midnight visit from a black ops team.

 

[larsIU]

God bless Mike Chitwood.

We all knew Jimmy's son would be a stand up guy.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

We all knew Jimmy's son would be a stand up guy.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Seems that he is fighting the good fight. Keep it up. Any antisemitic folks should have a midnight visit from a black ops team.

At a time when we all often don't agree on much, I think most of us will say that this is a stand-up guy that should be supported. Hero is a word too often applied, so I won't. But his actions/words are consistent with the concept.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

. He voted Trump in 16 and 20, but he believes that antisemitism/racism in his area really took off after the "good people on both sides" comment.

You mean a sheriff of a trashy area voted for Trump and is now blaming Trump for all of this, despite Trump having strong ties with Israel and a now-Jewish daughter?

This is where the narrative doesn't make sense.

 

[Bowlmania]

You mean a sheriff of a trashy area voted for Trump and is now blaming Trump for all of this, despite Trump having strong ties with Israel and a now-Jewish daughter?

This is where the narrative doesn't make sense.

No mystery here, dude.

Opinion | The Warped Electoral Logic Behind Trump’s Antisemitism

Why would he entertain avowed Jew-haters? Because he thinks his most loyal supporters — white evangelical Christians — agree with his guests.

www.politico.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/17/trump-history-antisemitic-tropes/

Jewish Allies Call Trump’s Dinner With Antisemites a Breaking Point

Supporters who looked past the former president’s admirers in bigoted corners of the far right, and his own use of antisemitic tropes, now are drawing a line. “He legitimizes Jew hatred and Jew haters,” says one. “And this scares me.”

www.nytimes.com

Trump's comments on American Jews were anti-Semitic -White House

Donald Trump's recent comments that American Jews have offered insufficient praise of his policies toward Israel were "insulting" and "anti-Semitic", White House spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Donald Trump using antisemitic rhetoric to get political donations after indictment

Within hours of news of his indictment, Donald Trump started asking for political donations. They include antisemitic tropes and nods to QAnon.

www.usatoday.com

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

No mystery here, dude.

It's absolutely a mystery, Bowl. Ivanka and Jared don't matter now? Ask Israelis who they preferred between Barack and Trump. It's not even a question.

Then you look at Jews in the adminstration aside from Kushner (Mnuchin, Miller, Cohn, Neuberger, Rosenstein, etc.). You may not be a fan of them, but it's not like he appointed a bunch of neo nazis.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

At a time when we all often don't agree on much, I think most of us will say that this is a stand-up guy that should be supported. Hero is a word too often applied, so I won't. But his actions/words are consistent with the concept.

It sounds like this group has gone well beyond free speech into verbal and physical crime.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It's absolutely a mystery, Bowl. Ivanka and Jared don't matter now? Ask Israelis who they preferred between Barack and Trump. It's not even a question.

Then you look at Jews in the adminstration aside from Kushner (Mnuchin, Miller, Cohn, Neuberger, Rosenstein, etc.). You may not be a fan of them, but it's not like he appointed a bunch of neo nazis.

Even if you're right about all of that, they aren't counters to what the sheriff actually said, which was that he thought this bad behavior really took off after a certain event.

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Florida has several bad-ass Sheriffs. Good press conferences taunting and shaming criminals … and ripping silly or stupid media.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Even if you're right about all of that, they aren't counters to what the sheriff actually said, which was that he thought this bad behavior really took off after a certain event.

there are two reasons: 1) he believes that to be true based on his own experiences and 2) he’s regurgitating talking points.

Perhaps he is actually seeing an uptick in Daytona area, but what does that say about the movement? They are following a populist who installs Jews in positions of authority and has them in his immediate family, but somehow credit him for giving them the power to rise up?

It doesn’t make any sense. There is no logic or rationale, regardless of how stupid you think Trumpers can be.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Florida has several bad-ass Sheriffs. Good press conferences taunting and shaming criminals … and ripping silly or stupid media.

I dunno, the Polk Co. guy is obsessed with prostitution stings. That seems like a violation of rights if he actually cared about the constitution.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

there are two reasons: 1) he believes that to be true based on his own experiences and 2) he’s regurgitating talking points.

Perhaps he is actually seeing an uptick in Daytona area, but what does that say about the movement? They are following a populist who installs Jews in positions of authority and has them in his immediate family, but somehow credit him for giving them the power to rise up?

It doesn’t make any sense. There is no logic or rationale, regardless of how stupid you think Trumpers can be.

When does this type of bigotry make any type of sense? The point wasn't about what Trump thinks about Jews. The point was simply that he made a particular speech, and after that speech, the sheriff noticed a marked change in behavior in his area.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I dunno, the Polk Co. guy is obsessed with prostitution stings. That seems like a violation of rights if he actually cared about the constitution.

I don't personally visit prostitutes, but I got your back. I think prostitution stings are an infringement on the right of freedom of contract.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

When does this type of bigotry make any type of sense? The point wasn't about what Trump thinks about Jews. The point was simply that he made a particular speech, and after that speech, the sheriff noticed a marked change in behavior in his area.

I’ve always struggled with illogical claims. I can’t prove them to be wrong or inaccurate per se and I’m well aware there were some high profile incidents of anti-semitism since Trump, but it just doesn’t fit with how my brain works.

If you put yourself in their shoes, it makes logical sense why some stupid people would attack Asians out of the result of COVID. As much as I slam China, I’m find it disgraceful. But I can at least understand why someone stupid (can we agree that these people are stupid- regardless of minority they hate?) may do that.

I just don’t get how if you hate Jews and Trump clearly doesn’t, it enables or encourages groups that do.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I’ve always struggled with illogical claims. I can’t prove them to be wrong or inaccurate per se and I’m well aware there were some high profile incidents of anti-semitism since Trump, but it just doesn’t fit with how my brain works.

If you put yourself in their shoes, it makes logical sense why some stupid people would attack Asians out of the result of COVID. As much as I slam China, I’m find it disgraceful. But I can at least understand why someone stupid (can we agree that these people are stupid- regardless of minority they hate?) may do that.

I just don’t get how if you hate Jews and Trump clearly doesn’t, it enables or encourages groups that do.

I think you're conflating two different things. It's not the claim the sheriff is making that is illogical. It's very logical. What may be illogical is the behavior of the antisemites who found inspiration from the performance.

Although, to be fair, I'd disagree with you on that, too. I think an uptick of antisemitism was very predictable after that horrid speech.

 

[UncleMark]

I just don’t get how if you hate Jews and Trump clearly doesn’t, it enables or encourages groups that do.

Trump and his attitude toward Jews is much like the people who don't like black folks, except for the good ones they know (or who play for their basketball team).

 

[hoosboot]

there are two reasons: 1) he believes that to be true based on his own experiences and 2) he’s regurgitating talking points.

Perhaps he is actually seeing an uptick in Daytona area, but what does that say about the movement? They are following a populist who installs Jews in positions of authority and has them in his immediate family, but somehow credit him for giving them the power to rise up?

It doesn’t make any sense. There is no logic or rationale, regardless of how stupid you think Trumpers can be.

 

[i'vegotwinners]

Below is a story of a Florida Sheriff battling antisemitism in his county, which has resulted in him being targeted. He is working to get a law passed making certain actions a felony. For example, a group of racists had taken a projector and projected "Hitler was right" onto Daytona Speedway. That would be a felony. As he distinguishes it, the 1st allows someone to hold a sign up on their property or on public property but not on someone else's private property.

I heard another story that when these people fly into Daytona now, he meets them at the airport and wishes them a good stay. Since he's receiving death threats, a bold move.

I heard a story with him this morning. He voted Trump in 16 and 20, but he believes that antisemitism/racism in his area really took off after the "good people on both sides" comment. So he hopes if Trump wins again, he will walk that back. But the story linked below suggests he gave up on Trump after Jan 6.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/20/florida-sheriff-hate-crimes/

If that article is paywalled, there is this one:

Florida sheriff blasts ‘cowardly scumbags’ behind string of antisemitic messages

The sheriff challenged the group to “put a bullet in the back of my head”

www.independent.co.uk

“That's my message to you: go for it,” he said. “You want to try to get into my computer and plant child porn in there with a group of people that have an IQ of 12? Go for it. I challenge you to go for it. You want to put surveillance on me 24 hours [a day]? Go for it. And the best of all: you’re going to dox me and make me unelectable? Go for it. You came to the wrong county. I stand with my Jewish friends and I'm honored to be on your hit list. It's an honor to be sought after by a bunch of punk thugs like you.”​

Carlin was right.

• 55% of Republicans say that fighting "woke ideology in our schools and businesses" is more important than protecting entitlement programs from cuts, per the Journal poll.
• 27% of Republican voters say protecting Social Security and Medicare benefits from cuts is more important to them.

they also thought fighting woke was more important than women's rights and health, until it was too late.

 

[Bowlmania]

It's absolutely a mystery, Bowl. Ivanka and Jared don't matter now? Ask Israelis who they preferred between Barack and Trump. It's not even a question.

Then you look at Jews in the adminstration aside from Kushner (Mnuchin, Miller, Cohn, Neuberger, Rosenstein, etc.). You may not be a fan of them, but it's not like he appointed a bunch of neo nazis.

He's given a wink and a nod to white nationalists and anti-Semites since before Charlottesville. And plenty of Jews have had it with him.

Jewish groups pan Trump antisemitic tropes after remarks on Israeli, Jewish control

ADL chief says ex-president's comments are 'antisemitic, plain and simple'; AJC: 'His past support for Israel doesn’t give him license to traffic in radioactive antisemitic tropes'

www.timesofisrael.com

Trump’s dinner with a Holocaust denier draws rare criticism from some Jewish allies

Among Jews, the backlash over the meal with Kanye West and a known antisemite has come not only from his longtime detractors but from some of his biggest fans

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

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So how do they respond when you say “do you even Ivanka and Jared?”

I get they aren’t smart and perhaps they are that illogical, but I don’t get it. It’s plain as say that Trump is not explicitly anti-Semitic.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

He's given a wink and a nod to white nationalists and anti-Semites since before Charlottesville. And plenty of Jews have had it with him.

Jewish groups pan Trump antisemitic tropes after remarks on Israeli, Jewish control

ADL chief says ex-president's comments are 'antisemitic, plain and simple'; AJC: 'His past support for Israel doesn’t give him license to traffic in radioactive antisemitic tropes'

www.timesofisrael.com

Trump’s dinner with a Holocaust denier draws rare criticism from some Jewish allies

Among Jews, the backlash over the meal with Kanye West and a known antisemite has come not only from his longtime detractors but from some of his biggest fans

www.timesofisrael.com

Jews tend to overreact frequently IMO and be influenced by liberal-slanted media because the largest block votes left and considers themselves Democrats.

If you talk to Israelis, they were far more bullish on Trump than other recent Presidents.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Trump and his attitude toward Jews is much like the people who don't like black folks, except for the good ones they know (or who play for their basketball team).

So he’s accepting having his daughter convert (meaning he still has a good relationship with Ivanka) and appoint a Jew to run the Treasury Dept, but he would allow them to do other important things?

 

[hoosboot]

So how do they respond when you say “do you even Ivanka and Jared?”

I get they aren’t smart and perhaps they are that illogical, but I don’t get it. It’s plain as say that Trump is not explicitly anti-Semitic.

I haven't asked them, but I suspect that they say something similar to what Bibi is saying here.

 

[TommyCracker]

Jews tend to overreact frequently IMO and be influenced by liberal-slanted media because the largest block votes left and considers themselves Democrats.

If you talk to Israelis, they were far more bullish on Trump than other recent Presidents.

I've heard that Israel fits into the antisemitic belief as religiously there needs to be Jews in a thriving Israel to either summon the four horseman or start the rapture or something biblical.

I'm sure someone who knows the bible way more than I do (which isn't much) could explain better.


But.... according to the Bible there needs to be Jews in Israel so a person can be antisemitic as f but also believe in a thriving Israel. There's probably a belief that Israel is where the Jews are supposed to be, not here (meaning wherever the antisemite is) similar to 'the blacks belong in Africa' that the racist believes in.

As for Trump, I think his value system is first what serves Trump, so if there is anyone of a group (a black, a jew, a redneck, a military nut, a religious nut, etc) that the racist, or antisemite or whatnot would never want to do a transaction with.....that doesn't really effect Trump (and I think that's one of his few decent characteristics).

Trump has a way to justify everything he does as a win to himself.

Obviously if there is nothing to be gained, I believe then Trump uses stereotypes to blanket groups of people....which is almost the definition of racist.

And Kushner in his memoirs said Trump pushed Ivanka hard to date and marry Tom Brady, even after they were married. Still Kushner is obviously extremely wealthy and maybe Ivanka legitimately wanted to be with him. What can a father do in this day and age?

But as said before, I believe the analogy of the person that doesn't like blacks and black culture but loves black IU players is likely to fit Trump when it comes to individuals vs groups.

So yes, his rhetoric as a leader can give rise to antisemitic beliefs while he himself not be a 100% antisemitic person.