Drake Coach Ben McCollum Reads Like A CCC Resume

[Pryght]

Those are good questions, but they’re kind of backwards. It sure seems to me players are more interested in money than modern. And winning will always drive fan/backer/nil enthusiasm.

I agree, NIL money is very important. I think most top recruits know that playing in a system that mirrors the NBA (spacing/pace/shooting) prepares them for the next level (and displays their skills better to NBA teams), which in turn boosts their earning potential after college ends. That's why schools that run a modern style, like Alabama, are landing top talent and thriving. But you're right, it all begins and ends with money.

 

[Stuffshot]

Another take at a "list", for me...

Coaches I'd be ELATED about: Stevens, Oats, Pearl, Donovan

Coaches I'd be excited about: Otz, Smart, McCollum, Few

Coaches I'd be happy about: Williams, McCasland, Drew, McDermott, Altman, May

Coaches I'd be "mid" about: Cronin, DeVries, Calhoun, Byington, Randy Bennett, Gates, Brownell

Coaches I know would win, but I'd be wary about the baggage: Beard, Golden, Jans, Wade

Wow.

When I see posts like this, I remember all the posts from the past coach hirings that basically say, "How can they hire this guy?? The guy they hired was 15th in this board's list of preferred coaches!! Don't they read TheHoosier to find out what coaches we approve?"

Just kidding of course but, by my count, IUNorth has ruled out 21 ~half-way decent or better coaches.

The speculation on this board automatically creates headwinds and opposition. Hope this doesn't chill any potential candidates.

 

[ams66]

The speculation on this board automatically creates headwinds and opposition. Hope this doesn't chill any potential candidates.

Almost zero percent chance any coaches we might hire are reading this board.

 

[IndyMitchell]

He is basically this year's Josh Schertz. Won big at D2 and then proves he can do it in the MVC. Schertz was able to do it at ISU. McCollum already had a foundation at Drake. Schertz plays a better offense in my opinion.

 

[kkott]

He is basically this year's Josh Schertz. Won big at D2 and then proves he can do it in the MVC. Schertz was able to do it at ISU. McCollum already had a foundation at Drake. Schertz plays a better offense in my opinion.

What's the view on what Schertz is doing at Wash U? Checked and 15-5 but not playing anybody. Loved what I heard and saw out of him last year.

 

[IUNorth]

What's the view on what Schertz is doing at Wash U? Checked and 15-5 but not playing anybody. Loved what I heard and saw out of him last year.

He's at St Louis. I think 14-10, 7-4 in conference. Not sure what the program was like when he arrived. But his D2 record, and what he turned ISU in to in a couple years, is impressive. His ISU team got screwed last year, should have been in the NCAA, without question.

Not sure why I haven't included him on my various lists?...Another example of a guy that I think would probably be very successful at IU.

 

[kkott]

Another example of a guy that I think would probably be very successful at IU.

you have way more confidence in the ability for a guy to make that big leap to a P4 school and win quickly. Way more. But, if you're granting that Schertz would likely be successful, that explains why you think there are a ton of guys out there who would succeed, and we just disagree about that. Same question to you: how do you explain our Admin being so inept to have hired 5 (not counting DD) consecutive guys who weren't successful in the long haul, if there are tons of good candidates out there every year?

 

[.Gerdis]

you have way more confidence in the ability for a guy to make that big leap to a P4 school and win quickly. Way more. But, if you're granting that Schertz would likely be successful, that explains why you think there are a ton of guys out there who would succeed, and we just disagree about that. Same question to you: how do you explain our Admin being so inept to have hired 5 (not counting DD) consecutive guys who weren't in the long haul, if there are tons of good candidates out there?

Maybe there is more to it than just making the hire?

 

[IUNorth]

you have way more confidence in the ability for a guy to make that big leap to a P4 school and win quickly. Way more. But, if you're granting that Schertz would likely be successful, that explains why you think there are a ton of guys out there who would succeed, and we just disagree about that. Same question to you: how do you explain our Admin being so inept to have hired 5 (not counting DD) consecutive guys who weren't successful in the long haul, if there are tons of good candidates out there every year?

I've explained this multiple times now...and obviously its just my theory.

You, and many others, are still using conventional wisdom. Gotta have connections to recruit, gotta have time to build and develop, need experience coaching and managing elite level players...etc... Some of that probably still applies. But I don't think its nearly as important as it used to be. Does everyone think UK, Louisville, Arizona, Villanova, Duke...ALL of them, would have opted for an unproven P4 guy in the last couple years if having a proven P4 guy was THAT big of a deal? The common comment, especially with UK and UL last year, was that they "couldn't" get proven guys...hmmmm....Kentucky just couldn't get a more proven guy? And if it is true, that none of those schools could get someone more proven...then why are we even discussing any of the more proven guys?

No...the reality is, I suspect...that AD's are wising up to the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of good, smart, forward thinking coaches out there, that are learning to hustle, that are learning to compete with the big boys with less, that are developing and losing players to bigger schools every year and still winning...and realizing that particular preparation is as impactful, if not more impactful than some coaches like Chris Beard, or Dana Altman, or Mark Few...that's been at the P4 table for years now, and because of that just "know what its like" to coach at the P4 level.

And that having someone like that, increases the likelihood that he'll be more adaptive, and more capable of changing and improving as these NIL/Portal dynamics continue to evolve and change.

Ben McCollum...he dominated D2 for over a decade...domination that really no other active coach has ever shown or had, at any level. Then he took a job at a D1 school. The previous coach took Drake's best player with him. Other Drake players left to go other places as well. McCollum comes in to Drake with a handful of his D2 kids, who are now obviously showing they would have been very capable D1 players...and he's thriving. His current Drake team would be competitive in this year's B10. Probably wouldn't win it, but would be competitive, middle of the pack maybe, type team. They have the same NET ranking as IU, essentially, but have a coach that's proven he'll win most games that he's "in".

If he were to be the choice...He comes to IU, brings Stirtz, Banks, and a couple others with him. He keeps 3-4 guys from the current roster. He gets the incoming frosh to stick to their commitment. And then he goes, and with resources and accessibility he's never had before, he finds 4 high end guys in the portal that fit his program. You don't think that his team next year would be successful??

That's just McCollum...Byington (who would have 1 year of SEC experience), he could bring more talent with him...Schertz has a couple key guys with eligibility left...

 

[ANOTHERBANNERYEAR]

He's at St Louis. I think 14-10, 7-4 in conference. Not sure what the program was like when he arrived. But his D2 record, and what he turned ISU in to in a couple years, is impressive. His ISU team got screwed last year, should have been in the NCAA, without question.

Not sure why I haven't included him on my various lists?...Another example of a guy that I think would probably be very successful at IU.

Just a .600 record coach. Average.

 

[kkott]

I've explained this multiple times now...and obviously its just my theory.

You, and many others, are still using conventional wisdom. Gotta have connections to recruit, gotta have time to build and develop, need experience coaching and managing elite level players...etc... Some of that probably still applies. But I don't think its nearly as important as it used to be. Does everyone think UK, Louisville, Arizona, Villanova, Duke...ALL of them, would have opted for an unproven P4 guy in the last couple years if having a proven P4 guy was THAT big of a deal? The common comment, especially with UK and UL last year, was that they "couldn't" get proven guys...hmmmm....Kentucky just couldn't get a more proven guy? And if it is true, that none of those schools could get someone more proven...then why are we even discussing any of the more proven guys?

No...the reality is, I suspect...that AD's are wising up to the fact that there are dozens upon dozens of good, smart, forward thinking coaches out there, that are learning to hustle, that are learning to compete with the big boys with less, that are developing and losing players to bigger schools every year and still winning...and realizing that particular preparation is as impactful, if not more impactful than some coaches like Chris Beard, or Dana Altman, or Mark Few...that's been at the P4 table for years now, and because of that just "know what its like" to coach at the P4 level.

And that having someone like that, increases the likelihood that he'll be more adaptive, and more capable of changing and improving as these NIL/Portal dynamics continue to evolve and change.

Ben McCollum...he dominated D2 for over a decade...domination that really no other active coach has ever shown or had, at any level. Then he took a job at a D1 school. The previous coach took Drake's best player with him. Other Drake players left to go other places as well. McCollum comes in to Drake with a handful of his D2 kids, who are now obviously showing they would have been very capable D1 players...and he's thriving. His current Drake team would be competitive in this year's B10. Probably wouldn't win it, but would be competitive, middle of the pack maybe, type team. They have the same NET ranking as IU, essentially, but have a coach that's proven he'll win most games that he's "in".

If he were to be the choice...He comes to IU, brings Stirtz, Banks, and a couple others with him. He keeps 3-4 guys from the current roster. He gets the incoming frosh to stick to their commitment. And then he goes, and with resources and accessibility he's never had before, he finds 4 high end guys in the portal that fit his program. You don't think that his team next year would be successful??

That's just McCollum...Byington (who would have 1 year of SEC experience), he could bring more talent with him...Schertz has a couple key guys with eligibility left...

I don't think it's just getting the talent, or coaching the x's and o's that guy's moving up struggle with, I think it's just the totality of the job: dealing with the added scrutiny, ADs/admins, media commitments, and the recruiting. Maybe NIL does change the equation a bit, but it's also just 1 more factor they have to master... quickly. And, everyone else has NIL too, so it's competitive. Neither UNC or MSU got the bigs they were seeking this past year. UL and UK struggled (both were reportedly on their 3rd+ candidates) with getting proven guys, because 1) there aren't that many out there, and 2) they're getting locked in with buyouts and seem less inclined to move when they can build a competitive program where they are. No one would've ever considered staying at an Auburn or Alabama if UL and UK came calling... but they did. You're also covering a ton of ground with the programs you mention, and what I see that a lot of those programs did was get Assts from established programs, where they've already seen all the demands they'll deal with. And, let's not annoint guys too soon. Nova may be looking for a new coach in the next year or 2 and UL, UK and UM while impressive so far, are all in their first year, so they still have a lot to prove. As much as UK fans like Pope, that won't go far if he's not getting to E8s or better in the next 2-3 years.

I've said all along that I think our best chance of getting another great program coach is finding someone as an up and comer, but I think it's crazy to think there are dozens of those guys out there who are viable candidates. Again I ask: how do you explain how badly we've done with the last 5 guys if there are that many great candidates out there every year. Finding the right coach and fit is tough to do, and those guys aren't out there by the dozens.

 

[ams66]

you have way more confidence in the ability for a guy to make that big leap to a P4 school and win quickly. Way more. But, if you're granting that Schertz would likely be successful, that explains why you think there are a ton of guys out there who would succeed, and we just disagree about that. Same question to you: how do you explain our Admin being so inept to have hired 5 (not counting DD) consecutive guys who weren't successful in the long haul, if there are tons of good candidates out there every year?

Three of the hires (Davis, Sampson, Woodson) were a result of administrative or trustee interference. Crean was one of the few who would even consider building a team in a program under sanction and starting with one walk-on (without NIL or portal). Miller was really the only "normal" hire in that bunch and he was pretty widely thought of as a good or great hire at the time.

 

[GThomas]

He's at St Louis. I think 14-10, 7-4 in conference. Not sure what the program was like when he arrived. But his D2 record, and what he turned ISU in to in a couple years, is impressive. His ISU team got screwed last year, should have been in the NCAA, without question.

Not sure why I haven't included him on my various lists?...Another example of a guy that I think would probably be very successful at IU.

He only slightly moved up in competition and is a pedestrian 14-10. That's why his name isn't out there. imo.

 

[IUNorth]

I don't think it's just getting the talent, or coaching the x's and o's that guy's moving up struggle with, I think it's just the totality of the job: dealing with the added scrutiny, ADs/admins, media commitments, and the recruiting. Maybe NIL does change the equation a bit, but it's also just 1 more factor they have to master... quickly. And, everyone else has NIL too, so it's competitive. Neither UNC or MSU got the bigs they were seeking this past year. UL and UK struggled (both were reportedly on their 3rd+ candidates) with getting proven guys, because 1) there aren't that many out there, and 2) they're getting locked in with buyouts and seem less inclined to move when they can build a competitive program where they are. No one would've ever considered staying at an Auburn or Alabama if UL and UK came calling... but they did. You're also covering a ton of ground with the programs you mention, and what I see that a lot of those programs did was get Assts from established programs, where they've already seen all the demands they'll deal with. And, let's not annoint guys too soon. Nova may be looking for a new coach in the next year or 2 and UL, UK and UM while impressive so far, are all in their first year, so they still have a lot to prove. As much as UK fans like Pope, that won't go far if he's not getting to E8s or better in the next 2-3 years.

I've said all along that I think our best chance of getting another great program coach is finding someone as an up and comer, but I think it's crazy to think there are dozens of those guys out there who are viable candidates. Again I ask: how do you explain how badly we've done with the last 5 guys if there are that many great candidates out there every year. Finding the right coach and fit is tough to do, and those guys aren't out there by the dozens.

IU's coaching hire failures...

Davis...no search, caved and chose the guy that the players all wanted...no previous coaching experience. This one isn't an applicable comp to what Dolson will do, and how he'll approach this search.

Sampson... search, chose a great coach, just didn't have the foresight to not take a risk on a guy with past issues. This one is applicable...different, very different, set of issues...but as I've said many times, this is why I'd stay away from guys like Beard, Golden, Jans, and probably Wade. But they sure found a damn good basketball coach in that search.

Crean... search...but completely different scenario to what we're facing now. IU was a complete dumpster fire, with the prospect of no returning players, and no NIL or Portal dynamics to help them. Whoever took over that job, was literally building from scratch, and had to do it with freshmen. Taking all that in to account, Crean was probably actually a really good choice. In a few years, he had IU "back" to being one of the best programs in the country. He just wasn't a guy that was ever going to keep IU at or near the top. And we didn't move on quickly enough...and because of that, missed out on a couple good candidates.

Archie... search... this one is the one that challenges my assertion, and backs up yours. But, Archie inherited a decent amount of players, and didn't have NIL or the Portal to help him react and build a roster that fit his own style...AND he was facing the height of the IU Bill of Rights "constraints" when it came to rebuilding his roster. The good thing, Dolson reacted more quickly on this one than previous Admins likely would have.

Woodson... no lengthy search...by all accounts, Dolson locked in on Stevens. And when Stevens didn't happen, there wasn't a working list of viable coaches he had been vetting, interviewing, etc... So Woodson backfilled, and then was fasttracked, and the decision was made. And then...even Woodson didn't have the full power of NIL and Portal, in his first couple years, to build the roster how he saw fit. He focused mainly on bringing everyone back, and chased HS and transfer talent late in the process.

The ONLY coaching search that really in any way is a comp to what is going on right now, is Archie's. That wasn't Dolson. And again, the coaching dynamics these days couldn't be more different than they were 8 years ago. Hell, even access to personality cues is easier than it was back then with social media, Youtube, etc...

This is the first time Dolson will have completed a full, comprehensive search. And this time around, he'll have NIL, Portal, many more recent examples of non P4 guys having success at P4 schools...

You're wrong on this one. Just like there are literally hundreds more impactful players available, every year now, for IU, or any school to change its fortunes quickly... There are more coaches available too that have the skills and personalities to do it...and that now have the resources.