Don’t get sick if you’re a veteran that’s a Democrat or single

[DANC]

The key is to not give up. It’s predicated on people giving up. Incidentally you don’t have to be a lawyer to represent people. One of those areas where you have “advocates”

Yeah, I'm an 'advocte' for my sister, trying to get her on Medicaid for a nursing home.

The bureaucracy and delays has nearly cost me my mental health, and I'm being serious. There's no way this system should be this mysterious.

By the way, there's a year's wait-list in Indiana for someone who is elderly and disabled to get on Medicaid. Thanks, lazy-ass adults who won't work (and my niece is one of them).

 

[DANC]

I wouldn't say my old man was guilty, but...

Played football at Rice back in the 50's/60's (when they were good ), did ROTC in college, then kinda pulled a Forrest Gump and enlisted. Jumped out of airplanes as a Ranger, did a 'Nam tour humping as a grunt in the shit (Lt), then went back again to "ride" in F4's on bomb missions as some sort of "advisor" on the ground calls...so he did his time.

Nonetheless, several back surgeries, hip and knee replacements later (100% disabled), he would roll up to one of the handicapped spots at one of the golf courses in Hot Springs Village, AR at 70+. Grab his Hoofer out of the trunk. Walk/carry 18. Then jump in and drive off when done.

His buddies would bust his chops.

I've found you can do a lot of things if you're motivated, but if the opportunity is there to take an easier route......

Your old man deserves it. The life expectancy of a grunt Lt. in VN was not great.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Yeah, I'm an 'advocte' for my sister, trying to get her on Medicaid for a nursing home.

The bureaucracy and delays has nearly cost me my mental health, and I'm being serious. There's no way this system should be this mysterious.

By the way, there's a year's wait-list in Indiana for someone who is elderly and disabled to get on Medicaid. Thanks, lazy-ass adults who won't work (and my niece is one of them).

Oh man - Godspeed, DANC. I'm sure navigating that is unbelievably frustrating.

It's been close to 20 years, but I remember trying to help my ex-father-in-law get his dad squared away. I don't remember all the details, but he had to essentially whittle his savings/retirement down to poverty level for certain types of payments to kick in and cover his expenses. It didn't take too long to get him there. Between assisted living and eventually hospice, care was insanely expensive even then.

Maybe not the same thing you're going through with your sister, but I wouldn't wish having to navigate that on anyone. Hoping for the best possible outcome for you and your sister.

 

[snarlcakes]

If providers have the ability to refuse to treat somebody for their political affiliations, wouldn't that mean they could also do it to Republicans?

This story/headline makes it sound as if the EO specifically allows exclusion for Democrats.

Doctors also tend to lean left. They'll just use it as an excuse to get them out of work. They'll only have to treat 1 out of 10 patients now.

Doctor: Hmmmm.....is your birth name Billy Bob?

Billy Bob: F#ck yeah

Doctor: I assume you voted for Trump?

Billy Bob: Are tits awesome? F#ck yeah

Doctor: You can leave now. I won't be treating you.

 

[Spartans9312]

Yeah, I'm an 'advocte' for my sister, trying to get her on Medicaid for a nursing home.

The bureaucracy and delays has nearly cost me my mental health, and I'm being serious. There's no way this system should be this mysterious.

By the way, there's a year's wait-list in Indiana for someone who is elderly and disabled to get on Medicaid. Thanks, lazy-ass adults who won't work (and my niece is one of them).

Is she already in a nursing home?

 

[GooglyMooglyWooglyBoogly]

Doctors also tend to lean left. They'll just use it as an excuse to get them out of work. They'll only have to treat 1 out of 10 patients now.

Doctor: Hmmmm.....is your birth name Billy Bob?

Billy Bob: F#ck yeah

Doctor: I assume you voted for Trump?

Billy Bob: Are tits awesome? F#ck yeah

Doctor: You can leave now. I won't be treating you.

Real doctors lean right, fake doctors (doctors of the mind, infectious disease experts, pediatricians, etc.) lean left.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/07/upshot/your-surgeon-is-probably-a-republican-your-psychiatrist-probably-a-democrat.html

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Early in the thread, Hoopsdoc hit the answer, this is about not treating a transsexual if one doesn't want to. I have an issue with that, you treat the patient. Samuel Mudd would have had to treat Booth because that's what doctors do.

But it is irrelevant to my real point for bringing this thread back up. Mc mentioned in another thread that he likes Trump because he's straightforward. Yet here he is obfuscating his real purpose. He is thought of as straightforward, but he certainly obfuscates with the best. I submit the subject of this thread as proof.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

Early in the thread, Hoopsdoc hit the answer, this is about not treating a transsexual if one doesn't want to. I have an issue with that, you treat the patient. Samuel Mudd would have had to treat Booth because that's what doctors do.

But it is irrelevant to my real point for bringing this thread back up. Mc mentioned in another thread that he likes Trump because he's straightforward. Yet here he is obfuscating his real purpose. He is thought of as straightforward, but he certainly obfuscates with the best. I submit the subject of this thread as proof.

Is it referencing treating a transgender person at all…or treating them with gender oriented care in particular?

Are we talking about treatments for HRT or treatments for diabetes?

 

[Spartans9312]

Is it referencing treating a transgender person at all…or treating them with gender oriented care in particular?

Are we talking about treatments for HRT or treatments for diabetes?

Psych meds for sure

 

[SqueakyClean]

Is it referencing treating a transgender person at all…or treating them with gender oriented care in particular?

Are we talking about treatments for HRT or treatments for diabetes?

That's kinda that point. It doesn't really specify and leaves too much to interpretation.
In a true life-and-death situation, most likely the doctors are going to treat the patient and not really care what the politics are.
If a doctor is going to refuse an elective surgery, I don't think that is going to be a huge hub-bub either.

The problem is there is going to be some middle-ground case (I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I am sure one is going to happen) where a doctor is going to refuse to give care and the patient will suffer because of it. Maybe not life threatening suffering, but something tangible. The doctor is going to claim that he refused care based upon an interpretation of this law and it's going to spark yet another media frenzy about how backwards thinking / homophobic this doctor is, etc.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Early in the thread, Hoopsdoc hit the answer, this is about not treating a transsexual if one doesn't want to. I have an issue with that, you treat the patient. Samuel Mudd would have had to treat Booth because that's what doctors do.

But it is irrelevant to my real point for bringing this thread back up. Mc mentioned in another thread that he likes Trump because he's straightforward. Yet here he is obfuscating his real purpose. He is thought of as straightforward, but he certainly obfuscates with the best. I submit the subject of this thread as proof.

Objection. Mischaracterizes my prior testimony. I don’t believe I ever used the term straightforward. Strike your post

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Early in the thread, Hoopsdoc hit the answer, this is about not treating a transsexual if one doesn't want to. I have an issue with that, you treat the patient. Samuel Mudd would have had to treat Booth because that's what doctors do.

But it is irrelevant to my real point for bringing this thread back up. Mc mentioned in another thread that he likes Trump because he's straightforward. Yet here he is obfuscating his real purpose. He is thought of as straightforward, but he certainly obfuscates with the best. I submit the subject of this thread as proof.

It’s about creating a pathway to not performing dickectomies because the science doesn’t support it.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

It’s about creating a pathway to not performing dickectomies because the science doesn’t support it.

I don't disagree, but that and that alone could have been inserted. It wasn't. It would be a very popular policy among his base, why hide it with removing the political language et all.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

I don't disagree, but that and that alone could have been inserted. It wasn't. It would be a very popular policy among his base, why hide it with removing the political language et all.

No that’s silly. There is no reason for any organization to ever have the “guaranteed right” to care based on political affiliation because it’s insane to say so. In the logic diagram of care decisions - that does not ever get tripped or tested. The rampant TDS is beneath you, Marv.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

No that’s silly. There is no reason for any organization to ever have the “guaranteed right” to care based on political affiliation because it’s insane to say so. In the logic diagram of care decisions - that does not ever get tripped or tested. The rampant TDS is beneath you, Marv.

Seriously, a veteran member of the opposition party should not have the right to the same treatment as the majority party? We really want to open that can of worms.

We are already using soldiers as blatant political pawns.

Redirect Notice

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Seriously, a veteran member of the opposition party should not have the right to the same treatment as the majority party? We really want to open that can of worms.

We are already using soldiers as blatant political pawns.

Redirect Notice

You don’t get it. I’m out.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You don’t get it. I’m out.

I guess not.

I do not think they would ever exclude someone. I just think they made the changes to cover the real reason.

If that isn't it, I do not know what harm it is to have it in. As I understand it the military has it in that it will not pay for abortion which is superfluous to the Hyde amendment.

Maybe I am dense, I don't see what is gained by cutting marital status and political affiliation. I don't see the benefit.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

"Extremely disturbing and unethical" is par for the course, with this administration.

You shouldn't have jumped on the Kamala train. I told you what would happen.

 

[BradStevens]

Seriously, a veteran member of the opposition party should not have the right to the same treatment as the majority party? We really want to open that can of worms.

We are already using soldiers as blatant political pawns.

Redirect Notice

Are you worried about doctors not treating blue eyed patients since they are not explicitly protected by the language?

 

[DrHoops]

This is dumb. Like seriously dumb. You and I disagree on politics but I think you’re highly intelligent. You’re exhibiting rampant TDS on this one.

What organization has in their governance the need to “provide a service regardless of politics?” Like none. No serious organizations have this statement because it’s completely un-****ing necessary.

It’s called the VA, not the Republican, Married, VA.

You don’t think this is weird as hell?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Are you worried about doctors not treating blue eyed patients since they are not explicitly protected by the language?

I have said a couple of times I doubt it happens and it was done to cover up the big move against transsexual care.

But until Trump's speech at Fort Bragg I never dreamed a president would deliver a speech to soldiers that was totally partisan and EXCLUDE soldiers who were not supporters AND have the jeer the other party.

So my lack of concern isn't proof of crap.

 

[BadWakeboarder]

Maybe I am dense, I don't see what is gained by cutting marital status and political affiliation. I don't see the benefit.

Because it shouldn’t have been said in the first place, because it’s already “baked in.“

 

[BadWakeboarder]

It’s called the VA, not the Republican, Married, VA.

You don’t think this is weird as hell?

Cmon man.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

Early in the thread, Hoopsdoc hit the answer, this is about not treating a transsexual if one doesn't want to. I have an issue with that, you treat the patient. Samuel Mudd would have had to treat Booth because that's what doctors do.

But it is irrelevant to my real point for bringing this thread back up. Mc mentioned in another thread that he likes Trump because he's straightforward. Yet here he is obfuscating his real purpose. He is thought of as straightforward, but he certainly obfuscates with the best. I submit the subject of this thread as proof.

This started with letting bakeries refuse to serve wedding cakes to gay people..except the stakes are higher obviously being refused medical care.

Trying to legalize discrimination

 

[BadWakeboarder]

‘Extremely disturbing and unethical’: new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans

Trump order allows VA staff to decline providing healthcare to patients based on political affiliation or marital status

www.theguardian.com

Again, a Trump EO that wasn’t completely thought out, or was it?

This thread is proof positive that Trump has broken the brains of otherwise smart people.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

This thread is proof positive that Trump has broken the brains of otherwise smart people.

I think it is just shining a light on the fact that maga people were never smart

 

[mcmurtry66]

I have said a couple of times I doubt it happens and it was done to cover up the big move against transsexual care.

But until Trump's speech at Fort Bragg I never dreamed a president would deliver a speech to soldiers that was totally partisan and EXCLUDE soldiers who were not supporters AND have the jeer the other party.

So my lack of concern isn't proof of crap.

Remember there’s a difference between affirming care and treatment.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This thread is proof positive that Trump has broken the brains of otherwise smart people.

Along with countless other threads

 

[Marvin the Martian]

This started with letting bakeries refuse to serve wedding cakes to gay people..except the stakes are higher obviously being refused medical care.

Trying to legalize discrimination

I never thought a county clerk would refuse to issue legal marriage licenses. The country has gone crazy. Yes, it happens both directions as terrorizing Teslas is pretty stupid too. I don't get people. I have a job to do, I don't care if you are straight, gay, D or R, White, Black, Christian, Muslim. Heck, if I needed to work on the computer of a total racist, I would. My job is to repair computers, not comment on lifestyle, decisions, race, religion, etc.

I SERIOUSLY doubt any doctor would refuse a Democrat and that hasn't been my point rather it is a misdirection. Maybe the wording is redundant, but as I understand it abortion is listed as something VAs list that they do not provide. Yet that is redundant to the Hyde Amendment. I suspect that if we removed the restriction from the VA rules, people on the other side would be very upset, even though VAs still could not provide an abortion.

What I would be more worried about is a transsexual coming in seeking care that has nothing to do with their reassignment, and a doctor saying, "Sorry, working on you violates my religion." Even that I think is highly unlikely, but to me so was a clerk saying no to issuing a legal marriage certificate. I am curious, who here says it is impossible that a doctor would refuse a trans patient seeking healthcare unrelated to reassignment? There are 11,000 VA doctors, the odds one has such views aren't 1000-1 against even if it is still unlikely.

Trump has gone after Democratic law firms, used active duty soldiers to heckle Democrats, gone after Harvard, heckled a disable guy, and made fun of a prisoner of war; I am not sure I buy that there is anyone he wouldn't go after if given the opportunity. Maybe Trump derangement syndrome is caused by him being deranged? If so, what is the cause of Total Devotion Syndrome?

 

[BadWakeboarder]

I never thought a county clerk would refuse to issue legal marriage licenses. The country has gone crazy. Yes, it happens both directions as terrorizing Teslas is pretty stupid too. I don't get people. I have a job to do, I don't care if you are straight, gay, D or R, White, Black, Christian, Muslim. Heck, if I needed to work on the computer of a total racist, I would. My job is to repair computers, not comment on lifestyle, decisions, race, religion, etc.

I SERIOUSLY doubt any doctor would refuse a Democrat and that hasn't been my point rather it is a misdirection. Maybe the wording is redundant, but as I understand it abortion is listed as something VAs list that they do not provide. Yet that is redundant to the Hyde Amendment. I suspect that if we removed the restriction from the VA rules, people on the other side would be very upset, even though VAs still could not provide an abortion.

What I would be more worried about is a transsexual coming in seeking care that has nothing to do with their reassignment, and a doctor saying, "Sorry, working on you violates my religion." Even that I think is highly unlikely, but to me so was a clerk saying no to issuing a legal marriage certificate. I am curious, who here says it is impossible that a doctor would refuse a trans patient seeking healthcare unrelated to reassignment? There are 11,000 VA doctors, the odds one has such views aren't 1000-1 against even if it is still unlikely.

Trump has gone after Democratic law firms, used active duty soldiers to heckle Democrats, gone after Harvard, heckled a disable guy, and made fun of a prisoner of war; I am not sure I buy that there is anyone he wouldn't go after if given the opportunity. Maybe Trump derangement syndrome is caused by him being deranged? If so, what is the cause of Total Devotion Syndrome?

You curiously use examples befitting your side of things with the hillbilly county clerk. But you don’t balance the scales by talking about white Boston firefighters being passed over for promotion in favor of monitory candidates or Asians being held to different standards for college admissions. Why is that?

Yes the country has lost its mind. It’s from silly religion on the right and woke doctrine on the left. It’s not a one-side issue. I’ll do my part to control my side - what will you do to control yours?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You curiously use examples befitting your side of things with the hillbilly county clerk. But you don’t balance the scales by talking about white Boston firefighters being passed over for promotion in favor of monitory candidates or Asians being held to different standards for college admissions. Why is that?

Yes the country has lost its mind. It’s from silly religion on the right and woke doctrine on the left. It’s not a one-side issue. I’ll do my part to control my side - what will you do to control yours?

I said, "Yes, it happens both directions as terrorizing Teslas is pretty stupid too." I did not mean to create an exhaustive list. Even Trump's foibles was not meant to be exhaustive.

As to DEI initiatives, I see that problem but I do think there is still racism. There are studies, look them up, where identical resumes are sent out and some with "White" names and some with "African" names. Guess which group gets almost no callbacks? So the playing field isn't level. Given that, I understand why some want to help try to level the field. But I have and will freely admit that often it has gone too far. The solution is to benefit based on class. I am fairly certain that discrimination occurs as well against Whites living in poor working areas, I grew up in a White ghetto. Few businesses will disregard the resume from Carmel without reading it. I suspect there are plenty from Center Township that don't get that benefit White or Black.

 

[HurryingHoosiers]

You curiously use examples befitting your side of things with the hillbilly county clerk. But you don’t balance the scales by talking about white Boston firefighters being passed over for promotion in favor of monitory candidates or Asians being held to different standards for college admissions. Why is that?

Yes the country has lost its mind. It’s from silly religion on the right and woke doctrine on the left. It’s not a one-side issue. I’ll do my part to control my side - what will you do to control yours?

You are assuming he knows about the Boston firefighter situation. Got a link to a legit article on the matter?

And saying his list doesn't include all slights doesn't negate his point.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You are assuming he knows about the Boston firefighter situation. Got a link to a legit article on the matter?

And saying his list doesn't include all slights doesn't negate his point.

Um Google. Have you seen the lunatic mayor of Chicago

 

[BradStevens]

I have said a couple of times I doubt it happens and it was done to cover up the big move against transsexual care.

But until Trump's speech at Fort Bragg I never dreamed a president would deliver a speech to soldiers that was totally partisan and EXCLUDE soldiers who were not supporters AND have the jeer the other party.

So my lack of concern isn't proof of crap.

I think you're imagining a cover up:

VA leaders announce end to all transgender-related care for vets

Department leaders promised to continue to provide necessary care to transgender veterans even after the rule changes.

www.militarytimes.com

Veterans Affairs officials announced Monday they will phase out all medical treatments for gender dysphoria, including hormone therapy and any surgical options for transgender veterans.

In a statement, VA Secretary Doug Collins said that “VA should not be focused on helping veterans attempt to change their sex” and claimed most Americans and veterans would support the decision.

“All eligible veterans — including trans-identified veterans — will always be welcome at VA and will always receive the benefits and services they’ve earned under the law,” Collins said. “But if veterans want to attempt to change their sex, they can do so on their own dime.”

 

[IUINSB]

Um Google. Have you seen the lunatic mayor of Chicago

Which one?

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This started with letting bakeries refuse to serve wedding cakes to gay people

That NEVER happened. Grow a brain, pay attention to the real world, and stop making stuff up so you can whine about it. Politics would be so much easier if you would do this.

 

[StollCpaGoat]

This started with letting bakeries refuse to serve wedding cakes to gay people..except the stakes are higher obviously being refused medical care.

Trying to legalize discrimination

The Bakery didn’t wish to be hired to make a wedding cake for a gay wedding.