He was told he would be given the opportunity to “compete” for the job, no promises, he said the same in interviews. He was the 3rd best quarterback in camp, whether you like it or not, it’s that simple.
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He was promised a shot. That's what he got. He wasn't #2 on the depth chart. He can't throw.
Penix will be a star.
You act like Arizona is Ball State. They’ve won at least 7 games in 5 of the 6 seasons Rich Rod has been there. Including a couple years at 8 wins and one at 10 wins. They’re clearly the superior program here. If Dawkins could play there, I think it was a fair assumption that he could contribute here.
And hopefully he's ready to shine at a moment's notice.
"If at first you don't succeed... quit" See ya! Don't let the door... as they say.
Who's arguing that he couldn't contribute here? Of course he could have. Allen said as much last week. Allen expected him to. The guy left of his own volition.
He CHOSE not to contribute.... He CHOSE to QUIT.
This is more a reflection on Dawkins than our staff. It was very clear from the start that the message to Dawkins was to come here and “compete” for a starting spot. No guarantees.
That said, it is a bit odd that we clearly went after a grad transfer because we were concerned about the current stable of QBs at the start of the spring. Most teams do NOT get a grad transfer QB and not have that kid start. That’s the Catch-22: you bring in a grad transfer and the impression you project you don’t think the current guys will be able to run the offense as well as 5th year senior. They were up front with the guy but Dawkins had to have been thinking “they would’t Bring me here if they didn’t think I would be THE guy.” However, most grad transfer guys were starters and looking for a change of scenery. Dawkins was not a starter last year. As opposed to, say, a high profile guy like Michigan’s transfer from Ole Miss.
Dawkins likely was even behind Penix.
The bottom line is that Dawkins came in and fell to #3 on the depth chart.
Penix red shirt is.....well, you can remove that right now. Kid will play.
But, we just got very thin at a vulnerable spot.
The recent developments have me a bit discouraged before the season even starts. Ellison and Dawkins. I’ve joked before about IU football being cursed but.....damn, we don’t catch many breaks. Oh well, guess we need to go out and win in spite of all of that.
If we have bad luck at that spot (as is the case for IU football) we may just be looking at Johnny Pabst starting by mid season, depending of course on the use of Reese Taylor.
That said, it is a bit odd that we clearly went after a grad transfer because we were concerned about the current stable of QBs at the start of the spring. Most teams do NOT get a grad transfer QB and not have that kid start. That’s the Catch-22: you bring in a grad transfer and the impression you project you don’t think the current guys will be able to run the offense as well as 5th year senior. They were up front with the guy but Dawkins had to have been thinking “they would’t Bring me here if they didn’t think I would be THE guy.” However, most grad transfer guys were starters and looking for a change of scenery. Dawkins was not a starter last year. As opposed to, say, a high profile guy like Michigan’s transfer from Ole Miss.
Dawkins likely was even behind Penix.
The bottom line is that Dawkins came in and fell to #3 on the depth chart.
Penix red shirt is.....well, you can remove that right now. Kid will play.
But, we just got very thin at a vulnerable spot.
The recent developments have me a bit discouraged before the season even starts. Ellison and Dawkins. I’ve joked before about IU football being cursed but.....damn, we don’t catch many breaks. Oh well, guess we need to go out and win in spite of all of that.
If we have bad luck at that spot (as is the case for IU football) we may just be looking at Johnny Pabst starting by mid season, depending of course on the use of Reese Taylor.
While we're at it, might apply that to Presidential elections too.
If this is how he handles challenges/adversity, I'm glad he's gone. It defies logic to think he was somehow lured here without a fair chance of being the starter. I'll trust CTA's judgment on Ramsey.
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He lost his job there. They lost to Purdue just like we did. They aren't a great program either.
They’re FAR superior to IU. And he started games there.
You may be right. So much of the preseason commentary/press talked about how special he is...
If he didn't impress enough to beat out Ramsey, than I'm confident it's the best choice.
Our fault, his fault, nobodies fault, it's still going to keep me up at night until at least Saturday night.
"Far" superior...my God. Come down off the ledge, the sky isn't falling because a grad transfer quit.
If Arizona played in the B1G east, I doubt their record would be any better than ours.
Please don't call a kid, especially one who invested more into our program than almost all of us have, a loser through the safety of a keyboard. I know you're frustrated, but that's not a good look for this board or for Indiana football.
Interesting that you point out that they've one 7 games in 5 of the last 6 seasons. The one season that they did not win at least seven games was 2016.....the year that Dawkins happened to be their starter. They went 3-9 that season.
You mentioned Dawkins fell to #3 on depth chart. I never saw an official chart released with his name on it, did you.
He showed up in June and was out of shape. He struggled to learn the system and he's an inaccurate passer. He was given a great shot. It didn't work out for him.
While small sample size and anecdotal, reports from one of the scrimmages indicated, that Penix looked good, but a little consistent, whereas Dawkins looked completely lost. Also, I think coaches seemed to mention/praise Penix more in interviews than Dawkins
Based on what I’ve heard, I think it’s fair to say that both sides didn’t get what they thought they were going to get. That’s not an indictment of anyone’s character but rather an observation of how expectations and perceptions (his and the coaches) can be out of line with reality.
I agree. I feel if Dawkins has bolted so easily that he would have not been the type of leader we need on the field. He would of played and as injuries always occur may have eared that starter spot. Not sure what his options would be at this point. Does he have the option to transfer as a grad and try another program next year? Not sure if that is an option.
The statement was made that U of A would struggle in the BiG 10 East. Purdue played and beat both teams.
I don’t think Arizona schedule had Penn State, Michigan St., Michigan and Ohio State.
I have to know more before I comment. We lose Ellison and Dawkins within 10 days of the season starting? There may be different reasons, but what is going on? We find more ways to screw up a roster.
Yay for Penix. I assume the redshirt will come off unless they can manage to keep on with the new rules and Ramsey can play every game. Who is #3?
It did have Houston, Wazzu, USC, Oregon though. It wasn’t exactly nothing.
Kind of late to move a freshman to QB. Hopefully he has taken a few snaps throughout camp.
And that is what has me intrigued...He started for Arizona and we have at least one quarterback (and possibly 2 quarterbacks) deemed better than him. Says a lot about expectations from our quarterbacks.
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