Covid restrictions are on the way back

[IUCrazy2]

Well none of that is really a necessary response to what I was saying, which was simply about the basic theory of how vaccines work. That's true regardless of any of that other stuff. Does it make you anti-vax that you felt the need to go there? I don't think so. I think you're just going where your media told you to go. I think medicine has unfortunately become fully politicized.

My media didn't tell me to make a decision. I looked at what each side was presenting and made my own decisions. I had a heart issue when I was young (that mostly resplved itself, but a history was there). I got the shot. My children are healthy and COVID didn't appear to impact people their age. They didn't.

I agree that medicine has become politicized. I think that plays into what I mentioned above. People having an issue with COVID related items having that extrapolated out over everything. True anti-vax individuals cross parties and were typically a minority of the country. I don't think the vast majority of people who are apprehensive about the COVID vax are against things like the MMR.

You get really pedantic on here about terms. I am just being pedantic about the term "anti-vax". Someone who is up to date on their MMR, tetanus, Polio, chicken pox/shingles vaccines but has/had an issue with the COVID vaccines isn't anti-vax. They are anti (or more likely apprehensive of) that one particular vaccine.

 

[NPT]

Eris is viewed as not as dangerous, but as more contagious, it could wipe through a contained environment such as schools.

I probably wouldn't have a kid get vaccinated for COVID, but then I wouldn't let him around grandparents either. I know I wasn't 100% vigilant in avoiding crowds as Indiana opened back up. I avoided my grandmother for four days after any time I went out, and I would avoid going out on nights that didn't time with when she needed me. Four days might not have been enough, but it seemed like a plan.

Still, COVID J&J vaccine had the worst efficacy, close to 78% when it came out. (If it improved, I didn't follow it.) Pfizer had 90% when it came out, which is higher than MMR (88%). I would think the 90% if rated based on everyone in the room being vaccinated. You introduce unvaccinated into the equation, that rating goes down.

i am not anti-vax at all and took the covid shots plus the boosters but one thing I could never resolve in my mide was during the height of the pandemic if you looked at states in the NE (plus some others) where they vaccination rate was in excess of 80% the infection rate was just as high as the states like Mississippi, etc where the vaccination rate was low. You would have thought that higher vaccination rate would translate into lower infection rate.

 

[aajohn2000]

My media didn't tell me to make a decision. I looked at what each side was presenting and made my own decisions. I had a heart issue when I was young (that mostly resplved itself, but a history was there). I got the shot. My children are healthy and COVID didn't appear to impact people their age. They didn't.

I agree that medicine has become politicized. I think that plays into what I mentioned above. People having an issue with COVID related items having that extrapolated out over everything. True anti-vax individuals cross parties and were typically a minority of the country. I don't think the vast majority of people who are apprehensive about the COVID vax are against things like the MMR.

You get really pedantic on here about terms. I am just being pedantic about the term "anti-vax". Someone who is up to date on their MMR, tetanus, Polio, chicken pox/shingles vaccines but has/had an issue with the COVID vaccines isn't anti-vax. They are anti (or more likely apprehensive of) that one particular vaccine.

My issue was the vitriol and hate towards people who questioned it and had a problem with it being mandated and forced. It was and remains one of the lowest points in my time on earth which spans nearly 50 years. It was awful and gross and ugly. The vitriol went both ways but the voices sure seemed louder coming from the “take the vaccine or else crowd”. An output of that was how now the masks are also polarizing and affiliated with being in a box. Wear a mask, you are a vaccine and booster thumper. Don’t wear a mask and you are anti vaccine and a burning red MAGA person. A low point and one I feel we still remain in. We (society) love us some labels and putting people into a box. As a society, respectful disagreement and interest in the common good needs to come back. Without it, the great divide will continue and the politicians will feast on it. JMO.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

You found a section on vaccination in the KJV?

NO vax in my family.

Employers blustered, threatened and bullied, lied, made false representations, ad infinitum...
No deal! No compromise!

Too valuable to discard, the employers relented....

Not for one moment have we regretted our decisions.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

My issue was the vitriol and hate towards people who questioned it and had a problem with it being mandated and forced. It was and remains one of the lowest points in my time on earth which spans nearly 50 years. It was awful and gross and ugly. The vitriol went both ways but the voices sure seemed louder coming from the “take the vaccine or else crowd”. An output of that was how now the masks are also polarizing and affiliated with being in a box. Wear a mask, you are a vaccine and booster thumper. Don’t wear a mask and you are anti vaccine and a burning red MAGA person. A low point and one I feel we still remain in. We (society) love us some labels and putting people into a box. As a society, respectful disagreement and interest in the common good needs to come back. Without it, the great divide will continue and the politicians will feast on it. JMO.

Anyone using the term 'Anti-vaxer' is suffering from mental illness, especially as relating to the experimental cocktail pushed as ' vaccine'.

 

[Cthulhu85]

I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.

A vaccine for a respiratory virus is not going to be as effective as vaccines for non respiratory viruses.

Yes we eradicated small pox but it had various means of transmission including respiratory. But it too about 400 years. Polio was largely minimized by improving hygiene.

 

[UncleMark]

I had a heart issue when I was young (that mostly resplved itself, but a history was there). I got the shot. My children are healthy and COVID didn't appear to impact people their age.

IIRC, the risk of myocarditis from contracting Covid among the unvaccinated far exceeded the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.

 

[UncleMark]

Not for young males.

ICBW, but I thought it was young males specifically who had the much higher risk. We saw it with a freshman IU football player (before the vaccine was available).

 

[aajohn2000]

IIRC, the risk of myocarditis from contracting Covid among the unvaccinated far exceeded the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.

Tell that to the people who were on the wrong side of the vaccine, ie those with myocarditis or other bad side effects and took the vaccine not by choice.

 

[aajohn2000]

NO vax in my family.

Employers blustered, threatened and bullied, lied, made false representations, ad infinitum...
No deal! No compromise!

Too valuable to discard, the employers relented....

Not for one moment have we regretted our decisions.

Good for you. I made the choice to succomb to the company and receive the vaccine. I still regret it. Not because of my fear of issues the vaccine may cause, though I have them, but because I went against my beliefs. I wish I had stood my ground. I took something I had issues / concerns with and something I believed I never needed and never wanted. I had Covid, alpha version, before receiving the vaccine and then got the omicron variant 3 months after receiving the vaccine. But oh well. Live with the choice and move on.

 

[Cthulhu85]

The worst that can happen in life is death, well not really. Is that really that bad though? I'll never be tired, have to go to work, or pay taxes.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

The worst that can happen in life is death, well not really. Is that really that bad though? I'll never be tired, have to go to work, or pay taxes.

Are those things so bad? Being tired can lead to a great night's sleep. Work can be an interesting challenge. To quote Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr, "Taxes are the price we pay for civilization." I do like civilization, and working for the man means most of my taxes are taken before I see money.

 

[Bloom.]

i am not anti-vax at all and took the covid shots plus the boosters but one thing I could never resolve in my mide was during the height of the pandemic if you looked at states in the NE (plus some others) where they vaccination rate was in excess of 80% the infection rate was just as high as the states like Mississippi, etc where the vaccination rate was low. You would have thought that higher vaccination rate would translate into lower infection rate.

I wasn't implying you were anti-vax. Just speaking of it in general.

A lot of that could be chalked up population density and type of activities. More people, more people exposed, even if at a lower rate. Mississippi, a warm weather state, more outdoor activities for a longer period of the year.

I'm surprised I didn't get COVID. I had seven pretty close friends get it. None were life threatening, but became very sick. I think two of those went to the hospital. I wasn't super careful other than wearing my mask as asked, and we did pretty much stay to ourselves.

We hung out in the same bar, which got awfully crowded when the college kids got home since Indianapolis was still effectively shut down. The Broad Ripple crowd decided to hit the Carmel and Fishers bars.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Good for you. I made the choice to succomb to the company and receive the vaccine. I still regret it. Not because of my fear of issues the vaccine may cause, though I have them, but because I went against my beliefs. I wish I had stood my ground. I took something I had issues / concerns with and something I believed I never needed and never wanted. I had Covid, alpha version, before receiving the vaccine and then got the omicron variant 3 months after receiving the vaccine. But oh well. Live with the choice and move on.

That sucks. We’ve all been there. Just take back your power. I never leave the house without open carrying my sidearm. Liberating.

 

[aajohn2000]

That sucks. We’ve all been there. Just take back your power. I never leave the house without open carrying my sidearm. Liberating.

I wound up quitting the company after being there for 23 years and a being a young executive tapped for the senior team. Mt team was year in and out the top performing in the company. That was liberating.

 

[hoot1]

i am not anti-vax at all and took the covid shots plus the boosters but one thing I could never resolve in my mide was during the height of the pandemic if you looked at states in the NE (plus some others) where they vaccination rate was in excess of 80% the infection rate was just as high as the states like Mississippi, etc where the vaccination rate was low. You would have thought that higher vaccination rate would translate into lower infection rate.

NPT, your post comparing Mississippi and the NE made me wonder about population density being a factor in comparing the NE area with Mississippi.

Found this website which in part states the following...

To date, more than 100 million cases and 2.1 million deaths associated to the COVID-19 have been reported worldwide, but the impact of disease has been disproportionate in highly dense areas [1] and among vulnerable populations [2,3].

Thus a less dense and younger population in a state such as Mississippi could account for having a lower infection rate in spite of a lower fewer vaccination rate, if I read this website correctly.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Good for you. I made the choice to succomb to the company and receive the vaccine. I still regret it. Not because of my fear of issues the vaccine may cause, though I have them, but because I went against my beliefs. I wish I had stood my ground. I took something I had issues / concerns with and something I believed I never needed and never wanted. I had Covid, alpha version, before receiving the vaccine and then got the omicron variant 3 months after receiving the vaccine. But oh well. Live with the choice and move on.

There are always many different ways that evil tries to get you to go against your core beliefs. Most people fail to some degree, eventually. There’s no shame once you realize that you were duped admitting it. It only make the power against evil stronger the next time you are enticed by wicked.
Stay strong brother.

 

[The Vid]

I wasn't implying you were anti-vax. Just speaking of it in general.

A lot of that could be chalked up population density and type of activities. More people, more people exposed, even if at a lower rate. Mississippi, a warm weather state, more outdoor activities for a longer period of the year.

I'm surprised I didn't get COVID. I had seven pretty close friends get it. None were life threatening, but became very sick. I think two of those went to the hospital. I wasn't super careful other than wearing my mask as asked, and we did pretty much stay to ourselves.

We hung out in the same bar, which got awfully crowded when the college kids got home since Indianapolis was still effectively shut down. The Broad Ripple crowd decided to hit the Carmel and Fishers bars.

The most sick I’ve felt in the past decade or so was 1. The initial Moderna shot and 2. The booster which was even worse. Both lasted 48 hours then slowly tapered off.

Never again.

Biden already talking about another round of vaccine coming this fall. Are people really collectively that stupid? Maybe he’s trying to seal a loss in next years election.

 

[mcmurtry66]

There are always many different ways that evil tries to get you to go against your core beliefs. Most people fail to some degree, eventually. There’s no shame once you realize that you were duped admitting it. It only make the power against evil stronger the next time you are enticed by wicked.
Stay strong brother.

With open carry I pretty much put them on notice

 

[NPT]

I wasn't implying you were anti-vax. Just speaking of it in general.

A lot of that could be chalked up population density and type of activities. More people, more people exposed, even if at a lower rate. Mississippi, a warm weather state, more outdoor activities for a longer period of the year.

I'm surprised I didn't get COVID. I had seven pretty close friends get it. None were life threatening, but became very sick. I think two of those went to the hospital. I wasn't super careful other than wearing my mask as asked, and we did pretty much stay to ourselves.

We hung out in the same bar, which got awfully crowded when the college kids got home since Indianapolis was still effectively shut down. The Broad Ripple crowd decided to hit the Carmel and Fishers bars.

It always surprised me how high the rate was in AK. I know a lot of people live in Anchorage but for the most part AK is not densely populated.

But you would think if the vaccine worked very well it would have reduced the number of infections. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the vaccines didn't reduce infections very much but did reduce the severity which, in itself, is good.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

It always surprised me how high the rate was in AK. I know a lot of people live in Anchorage but for the most part AK is not densely populated.

But you would think if the vaccine worked very well it would have reduced the number of infections. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the vaccines didn't reduce infections very much but did reduce the severity which, in itself, is good.

If true, makes it a prophylactic NOOOOOOOOOT A vaccine.

 

[Bloom.]

The most sick I’ve felt in the past decade or so was 1. The initial Moderna shot and 2. The booster which was even worse. Both lasted 48 hours then slowly tapered off.

Never again.

Biden already talking about another round of vaccine coming this fall. Are people really collectively that stupid? Maybe he’s trying to seal a loss in next years election.

Just don't get the booster. I'm not going to get it either. However, I'm not going to keep...making...issues...over...it. It's not some grand f-ing conspiracy.

Let those who feel they need it or want it get it.

You do you, boo.

 

[hoot1]

It always surprised me how high the rate was in AK. I know a lot of people live in Anchorage but for the most part AK is not densely populated.

But you would think if the vaccine worked very well it would have reduced the number of infections. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the vaccines didn't reduce infections very much but did reduce the severity which, in itself, is good.

Speaking as a non expert reducing the severity is all you can ask.

This doesn't mean the old and those with complicating problems are home free.

 

[Bloom.]

It always surprised me how high the rate was in AK. I know a lot of people live in Anchorage but for the most part AK is not densely populated.

But you would think if the vaccine worked very well it would have reduced the number of infections. The only conclusion that I can come to is that the vaccines didn't reduce infections very much but did reduce the severity which, in itself, is good.

The latter would be enough.

It's still an issue of how many people are you around who aren't vaccinated. The more you are the more amplified the risk. I would imagine most who feel they NEED the vaccine are the same people avoiding public settings. So while 80% of the population might have had the vaccine, I'd wager that number is lower in work settings (unless you're in an office that mandated it) and much lower when you're in social settings.

I'd imagine where I hung/hang out, it's 50/50.

I just wish people would just not get the vaccine and quit making it an issue. I only got the original Pfizer doses. No intent on getting the booster unless my doctor tells me I should. I'm in good health, so no plans to do so.

 

[The Vid]

Just don't get the booster. I'm not going to get it either. However, I'm not going to keep...making...issues...over...it. It's not some grand f-ing conspiracy.

Let those who feel they need it or want it get it.

You do you, boo.

Pharma selling drugs people don’t need is not a conspiracy it’s just business as usual in America. They are not even trying to hide it in any way at this point.

 

[hoot1]

The latter would be enough.

It's still an issue of how many people are you around who aren't vaccinated. The more you are the more amplified the risk. I would imagine most who feel they NEED the vaccine are the same people avoiding public settings. So while 80% of the population might have had the vaccine, I'd wager that number is lower in work settings (unless you're in an office that mandated it) and much lower when you're in social settings.

I'd imagine where I hung/hang out, it's 50/50.

I just wish people would just not get the vaccine and quit making it an issue. I only got the original Pfizer doses. No intent on getting the booster unless my doctor tells me I should. I'm in good health, so no plans to do so.

Have young friends who had mild Covid symptoms twice and stayed self quarantined until feeling better.

Out of respect to my wife and I, they didn' t visit us as until they felt they might not somehow spread the virus to us.

Thankful they didn' t think of themselves as not being potential carriers.

 

[UncleMark]

Have young friends who had mild Covid symptoms twice and stayed self quarantined until feeling better.

Yeah, but young to you is like in their 60s, right?

 

[hoot1]

Yeah, but young to you is like in their 60s, right?

Yep, I refer to them as kids.

 

[zeke4ahs]

Schools are constantly looking for reasons to cancel so this is not a surprise.

Nonsense. For one thing, they don’t get their federal money when they cancel, they try to at least get in a half day. The main reason they cancel is that many of the teachers are sick. When they don’t have teachers or subs they double up classes and have 50 in a room. But when they can’t even double? They cancel school,

 

[zeke4ahs]

Anyone using the term 'Anti-vaxer' is suffering from mental illness, especially as relating to the experimental cocktail pushed as ' vaccine'.

There’s a few books you could read that explain how the vaccine had been in development for years and was just waiting for the specific strains. One of the best is The Premonition by Michael Lewis.

 

[zeke4ahs]

ICBW, but I thought it was young males specifically who had the much higher risk. We saw it with a freshman IU football player (before the vaccine was available).

There is still not much research on long Covid too. A lot of people who had very mild cases are now being diagnosed with it, some young. It’s been kind of overlooked in the discussions and I wonder how vaccinations and boosters play into that. Haven’t seen a good study or research on it.

 

[outside shooter]

There’s a few books you could read that explain how the vaccine had been in development for years and was just waiting for the specific strains. One of the best is The Premonition by Michael Lewis.

It might help your sanity putting the Nazi on ignore and never having to wade through his low intellect moronic bullshiit.

 

[zeke4ahs]

NO vax in my family.

Employers blustered, threatened and bullied, lied, made false representations, ad infinitum...
No deal! No compromise!

Too valuable to discard, the employers relented....

Not for one moment have we regretted our decisions.

You’re fortunate you didn’t have major regrets. Or perhaps everyone in your family is young. Many were not as lucky.

 

[zeke4ahs]

The most sick I’ve felt in the past decade or so was 1. The initial Moderna shot and 2. The booster which was even worse. Both lasted 48 hours then slowly tapered off.

Never again.

Biden already talking about another round of vaccine coming this fall. Are people really collectively that stupid? Maybe he’s trying to seal a loss in next years election.

Why is that stupid? It’s not going to be mandated. Just like with Covid, everyone had different experiences with the shot. I never even had a sore arm and I’ll be getting my booster when it comes out. I don’t like being sick.

 

[zeke4ahs]

It might help your sanity putting the Nazi on ignore and never having to wade through his low intellect moronic bullshiit.

I know. Always trying to help tho….

 

[Bowlmania]

That sucks. We’ve all been there. Just take back your power. I never leave the house without open carrying my sidearm. Liberating.

I heard on the car radio that pumpkin spice lattes are back at Starbucks. Thought you'd want to know.

 

[snarlcakes]

Goat is being a fool for lumping all vaccines together, that’s idiotic.

Yep, which is why I didn’t respond. The reality is humans get scared and like to call other humans names because it makes them feel better.

 

[Bowlmania]

Biden already talking about another round of vaccine coming this fall. Are people really collectively that stupid? Maybe he’s trying to seal a loss in next years election.

As long as Trump's the Republican nominee you won't have to worry about that.

 

[Bloom.]

Pharma selling drugs people don’t need is not a conspiracy it’s just business as usual in America. They are not even trying to hide it in any way at this point.

😂

 

[Bloom.]

NO vax in my family.

Employers blustered, threatened and bullied, lied, made false representations, ad infinitum...
No deal! No compromise!

Too valuable to discard, the employers relented....

Not for one moment have we regretted our decisions.

Good janitors at nursing homes are hard to find