Covid restrictions are on the way back
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The updated versions should be approved in October. I don’t care what any political group wants me to do. I will protect myself from serious illness and get the booster.
Science matters.
Wow, you must have worked yourself up beforehand, or be an incredible wimp. My discomfort from the vaccine and one booster I had pretty much ended with the needle poke.
If you are old or fat or both then go for it. It may help you even if it’s just a placebo effect. Hopefully it’s not obsolete by the time you get it, but it probably will be according to the science. You can always keep going back.
a pandemic, and how society responds to it, is an interesting study in both human nature and govt response to say the least.
a pandemic that basically only affects certain segments of the population, and not so much the other segments, to say the least is a far far far more interesting study in human nature and govt response.
a pandemic that is transmitted equally by all, but only affects 1/4th of the population, and is known what 1/4th of the population that is, becomes a much more interesting study in human nature and govt response, than a pandemic that affects everyone equally.
a pandemic that basically only affects certain segments of the population, and not so much the other segments, to say the least is a far far far more interesting study in human nature and govt response.
a pandemic that is transmitted equally by all, but only affects 1/4th of the population, and is known what 1/4th of the population that is, becomes a much more interesting study in human nature and govt response, than a pandemic that affects everyone equally.
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A government's job should be in this instance is facilitate the protection of its people. Of course with COVID we have a large section of that population that thinks it's control and conspiracy, propagated by a pResident who didn't want to damage the economy he was taking full credit for.
No, it wasn't.
I think you occupy the opposite ground from the people who are completely against the COVID vaccine. Same type of thought process, but just on the opposite side. There really isn't much of a reason for healthy children to get vaccinated.
Sweden decides against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11
Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks.
Decision to vaccinate children rests on ethics rather than science
Tricky risk-benefit calculations are being made — with countries coming to different conclusions.
www.google.com
The risk assessment I made is one that was made all over the developed world with varying opinions. I suppose that you are somehow more qualified to assess that risk than the Swedish medical experts or the German ones (which their government ignored) or Finland or Norway or England.....
But based on your prior posts on COVID, you are about as open to nuance as the most ardent anti-COVID vaxxer so...
It never worked in any case.
More scamdemic.
People pushing this next scam should be publicly hung. When this gets sorted out there are people who will be held to account...there are two or three on this board..
I pretty much agree, although the amount the government is investing in marketing and pushing the benefits is disinegenouus and casues future creditbility concerns.
My in-laws were ultra conservative in terms of their behavior (on top of their boosters, still mask on planes, etc.) and recently got COVID abroad anyway. They'll probably still go get the next booster and I could care less. Good for them.
So long as they aren't pushing it on our family, I don't see why people care so much about individual choice? (obviously the answer is political)
This is pointless but I will show you one more time.No, it wasn't.
I think you occupy the opposite ground from the people who are completely against the COVID vaccine. Same type of thought process, but just on the opposite side. There really isn't much of a reason for healthy children to get vaccinated.
Sweden decides against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11
Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks.www.reuters.com
Decision to vaccinate children rests on ethics rather than science
Tricky risk-benefit calculations are being made — with countries coming to different conclusions.
The risk assessment I made is one that was made all over the developed world with varying opinions. I suppose that you are somehow more qualified to assess that risk than the Swedish medical experts or the German ones (which their government ignored) or Finland or Norway or England.....
But based on your prior posts on COVID, you are about as open to nuance as the most ardent anti-COVID vaxxer so...
You determined that the risk of heart issues for your kids from a vaxx is greater than the risks associated with Covid. Hence you chose to not vax them.
I think that is inconsistent with the current state of the science out there, and the opposite of what has been done in our family thus far. Thankfully.
Question: if a person thinks the suppression of the Hunter laptop story affected the election for Biden, is that person a wingnut?
Question #2: if a person thinks the Comey letter affected the election for Trump, is that person a wingnut?
I don't think it's disingenuous. It's aimed at protecting our most vulnerable, even if that means protecting yourself for when you're around the most vulnerable.
The politics of it started long before talk of vaccines.
There was routinely fear mongering for children and schools, far beyond when we knew about the risks for youth vs. elderly.
The continued marketing (tv ads, radio ads, etc.) are not specifically targeted at the vulnerable.
Youths don't listen to the radio or watch TV with ads. So they aren't targeting children. Elderly, sure. We were a year in before anyone under 60 could get a vaccine, so we knew who it was killing by then. It should've been targeted at the vulnerable.
I never saw a COVID ad aimed at children.
Who are these people? Hanged for what?
Those are two legitimate factors in the campaigns for election.
However:
If you think HRC actually won in 2016, you’re a moonbat. The results were legitimate.
If you think Trump actually won in 2020, you’re a wingnut. The results were legitimate.
You mean like a grifter using indictments to raise campaign finance money to pay for his legal bills?
C'mon Little King, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?
The only thing missing from your doomsday arsenal is a rocket launcher as your first line of defense. ~ Bruce Cockburn
This is so disingenuous. "Drs or the pillow guy"???? That is bs and so divisive. It seems as though nothing has changed. Thanks for the response, no matter how sad it is.
There were many doctors that spoke out against vaccines/masks/lockdowns and unlike the doctors that were backed by the government/big pharma, etc, the doctors that spoke out against the mainstream Covid narrative risked everything to do so. I tend to listen to the Doctors that risked everything to speak their truth vs the doctors profiting from their government backed (encouraged/demanded) Covid advice.
Covid is/was real, and people certainly died from Covid. But some died by way of the vaccine. The vaccines were experimental and there should have been no vaccine mandates. People should have been able to make their own decisions based on unfiltered (true) information. We should have been given the facts, not the government/big pharma manipulated "truths" we were fed. Mask don't work to stop the spread, so mask mandates are idiotic/evil.
I believe anyone that thinks people that did not believe/comply with the mainstream narrative and mandates "were selfish idiots that don't care about others" represent so much of what is wrong with this country at the moment. I believe those people to be sheep who are incapable of thinking for themselves. This is sad and scary.
Finally, I believe you were one of those people driving alone in your car with the windows up and double masked. Those people are hilarious, so I now find you amusing. Thanks.
Imagine yourself in 1st century AD, if you will. Ptolemy calls to ask if you’re available for lunch. He has a new idea he wants to run by you, based upon his scientific data…something about an ego-centric universe. You would have been one of his misguided followers, believing in science.
They were considered experimental and received an "Emergency Use Authorization" (EUA) months before they were fully approved, based on results of controlled human clinical trials, as is required for every drug. There were ZERO vaccine mandates until full approval, rather that the EUA, was in place.
FYI: The mRNA vaccines were >20 years in the making. A commercial mRNA vaccine had been developed during the SARS1 outbreak in the late 2000s, but that epidemic died out before trials were completed.
That was the intent all along. Share the facts. But some people wearing tinfoil hats, like you, worked tirelessly to undermine the facts.
While there are countless studies out there, some with conflicting results, the overwhelming consensus is that masks indeed don't "stop" the spread (meaning 100% effectiveness) they help in a major way. Especially the well-fitted, high quality N95 masks. Sure, if you used those gauze-like neck gaiters, of course you gained no benefit whatsoever.
Effectiveness of Face Mask or Respirator Use in Indoor ...
This report describes face mask or respirator effectiveness in helping protect against COVID-19 infection.
www.cdc.gov
among >100 other reports, see also:
N95 respirator and surgical mask effectiveness against respiratory viral illnesses in the healthcare setting: A systematic review and meta‐analysis - PMC
To examine the results, level of evidence, and methodologic quality of original studies regarding surgical mask effectiveness in minimizing viral respiratory illness transmission, and, in particular, the performance of the N95 respirator versus ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Effectiveness of N95 Mask in Preventing COVID-19 Transmission - PMC
N95 mask has emerged as a potential measure to mitigate the airborne transmission of respiratory disease such as COVID-19. Herein, we experimentally investigated the impact and interaction of pure water droplets as surrogate to respiratory droplets ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And I will say one more time, there is no consensus and you doing what you felt was right for your family is just fine. No skin off my nose. But you get all haughty about people making a different decision based on equally relevant information from other respected medical experts. Why is that?
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly, and most cases have been reported after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
To date, evidence indicates that the benefits of mRNA COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risk of myocarditis. CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine.
CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of cases of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines and have made the information available to healthcare providers and the public.
So there are issues, particularly in young males (which I have 4 sons) with heart related problems that the CDC is "monitoring". This was for a shot for an illness all 4 of my children already had before it was available to them, was minor for them, and is basically a flat mortality rate for their age:
The threat of death for a child is similar to the threat of myocarditis (around 5 per 1 million) so yeah, I made the decision that the chance of getting the heart issue was about the same as death and decided, you know what this isn't really something that appears necessary. You know what else, I would lay money that if you looked at mortality for healthy kids, it is probably even lower than the instances of the heart problems. And those are happening to healthy kids.
Again, you are a COVID zealot as well. You are just a member of a different sect. Each of you looking to punish the heretics. 50+ is where that shot became more of a potential necessity. Under 40, probably fine without it.
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From public health.wvu.edu..."KN95 and N95 masks are both rated to filter out at least 95% of particles does to 3 microns. A large proportion of KN95 masks and N95 respirators sold in the US are counterfeits, so pay attention to important details..."
Not all doctors speaking out had a dog in the hunt though. Most don't. They care about their patients. Your view on this is utterly biased.
What do doctors know about lockdowns?
People in the US weren't locked down. They might've been kept out of social places they want to go, and schools, but let's not pretend you were locked down. I suppose if you lived in a major city it was longer, but you know...hey, don't worry about those other people if they get sick and die, eight?
You know what the lockdowns were around here? It meant grocery shopping at a distance with a mask on. It meant cooking more at home. It meant adjusting to carryout instead of dining in. It meant more time outside.
Some businesses struggled, but if they had a good customer those customers organized to help keep them afloat. If it was a poorly run business or one that hadn't connected to its customer, it might've closed.
Stop with the lockdown talk. It's idiotic.
And who cares about masks? LOL How F-ing soft are you that you can't wear a mask?
You know how bad the lockdown was? I was still able to run my 480 player fall league, and we played a full AAU season (just didn't travel). Stop it. You people still whining about it look stupid.
So my assessment of your earlier post is spot on.And I will say one more time, there is no consensus and you doing what you felt was right for your family is just fine. No skin off my nose. But you get all haughty about people making a different decision based on equally relevant information from other respected medical experts. Why is that?
Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly, and most cases have been reported after receiving mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
To date, evidence indicates that the benefits of mRNA COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risk of myocarditis. CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
Data from VSD and from VAERS indicate that rates of myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are highest among males in their late teens and early 20s, usually following the second dose of the vaccine.
CDC scientists have conducted detailed reviews of cases of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccines and have made the information available to healthcare providers and the public.So there are issues, particularly in young males (which I have 4 sons) with heart related problems that the CDC is "monitoring". This was for a shot for an illness all 4 of my children already had before it was available to them, was minor for them, and is basically a flat mortality rate for their age:
The threat of death for a child is similar to the threat of myocarditis (around 5 per 1 million) so yeah, I made the decision that the chance of getting the heart issue was about the same as death and decided, you know what this isn't really something that appears necessary. You know what else, I would lay money that if you looked at mortality for healthy kids, it is probably even lower than the instances of the heart problems. And those are happening to healthy kids.
Again, you are a COVID zealot as well. You are just a member of a different sect. Each of you looking to punish the heretics. 50+ is where that shot became more of a potential necessity. Under 40, probably fine without it.
You have demonstrated that twice now.
The folks who have politicized this are staunchly stubborn about defending their narrative no matter how insane it is or how many of their relatives die from it.
