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Covid restrictions are on the way back

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Dumb enough to risk increased chances of infection and/or transmission to others who might be more susceptible to severe disease.
OMG! You're terrible. I can't believe there are people that still believe this nonsense. Actually, I can. It's why I started the thread. You've confirmed my fear. People are idiots.
 
OMG! You're terrible. I can't believe there are people that still believe this nonsense. Actually, I can. It's why I started the thread. You've confirmed my fear. People are idiots.
Says the guy getting all bent over an Alex Jones conspiracy theory.

Idiot indeed ..
 
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All vaccines are part of a group effort. You get the vaccine even if you don't need it so that you can add a tiny little bit to the giant pool of protection that, as a whole, helps minimize harm and protect those who most need protected. If you are young and healthy, and you forego a vaccine because you don't need it, that's not dumb. It's just selfish.
So, nothing has changed for you people. Unreal, and extremely sad.
 
Stop it. If someone didn’t get vaccinated for Covid it doesn’t make them a moonbat, dumb, or anything else.
No kidding. Trypanophobia, a fear of needles is a real thing.

My main reason for never getting flu shots and didn't get the covid shot is I hate being stuck with needles.
 
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Better be big drinks. Like Irish lion
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Stop it. If someone didn’t get vaccinated for Covid it doesn’t make them a moonbat, dumb, or anything else.
Moonbats are left wing nuts, wingnuts are right wing nuts, and I didn’t say that. I don’t care at all if other people get vaccinated or not. Go for it or don’t go for it, it’s your choice. The anti-vax wingnuts who are claiming they do nothing or kill people ARE ignorant, and they MAY be stupid. I preferred when the anti-vaxers were primarily moonbats.
 
How dumb was a healthy 37 year old for not getting vaccinated? How about a 25 year old who already had Covid?
Not necessarily dumb at all. Those needing vaccinated were the vulnerable, not them. It’s probably better to get it than not, but I never cared whether this people got vaccinated.
 
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OMG! You're terrible. I can't believe there are people that still believe this nonsense. Actually, I can. It's why I started the thread. You've confirmed my fear. People are idiots.
Exactly what is your position? COVID is a hoax? No one died from COVID? The Trump vaccine is fake? The vaccine kills people? What? It’s not clear.
 
Zeke to the rescue. I posted that as a joke to MCM and you seem to have the need to defend Biden (or Democrats) no matter the subject. 🤣 🤣 🤣
I don’t think Biden had anything to do with the advice, did he? Since this whole thread is full of silly fear mongering I thought you were just playing along.
 
For some it is definitely connected.

My sister is anti-vaccine because that's the stance of her minister and the people who go to her church in Seymour, IN. She actually tried to "explain" to me how the vaccine is (she was told) made out of the cells of aborted babies.

My brother is also anti-vaccine and a follower of that wing nut Rodney Howard-Browne, who claims that prayer protects you from COVID and that nobody in his church in the Tampa FL area has ever had it. My brother's step-son is a faith healer-in-training at that goofball's church. He wants nothig to do with me after I insisted that COVID is real.
A faith healer training program? That sounds like starting point for a Second City improv bit.
 
For those of you that believed mask mandates were necessary, that the unvaxxed were terrible people that didn't care about the well-being of others, have you changed your beliefs at all? Will you fall in line with more mask mandates? Do you believe people should make their own choices regarding the jab and boosters? Or do you still believe the non-compliant are terrible or stupid people.
Current info indicates that we should wait until the new vaxx is ready and approved about the first of October. This one will be geared towards the newer mutations as Omicron is essentially gone.

I sure as hell hope we don’t have to go back to masks, I hated them.

People can make whatever decisions they want whether they listen to Drs or Pillow guy. I just think Pillow guy should pay the hospital bills. I don’t want to.
 
Schools are constantly looking for reasons to cancel so this is not a surprise.
No they're not, and depending on the state, it depends on how it's handled. Without some sort of state declared emergency, schools in Indiana are limited to three asynchronous days of instruction, with 180 minimum days of instruction. Other virtual days must be teacher led with attendance.

Most states require 180 days. A couple don't have a mandated minimums.

Not sure how many schools plan for more, but my local schools plans for 184 days with some built in flex days later in the year. They use their virtual school days before getting rid of a flex day, but this would give them 7 days to play with due to weather.

Nobody turns down a paid day off, but teachers and administrators have curriculum goals.
 
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You mean people who understand how vaccines work?
I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.
 
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I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.
Hey, I don't think all planets are flat...just Earth!

(PS - just yanking ya. I think your post is very rational and makes total sense.)
 
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I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.
Goat is being a fool for lumping all vaccines together, that’s idiotic.
 
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I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.
Eris is viewed as not as dangerous, but as more contagious, it could wipe through a contained environment such as schools.

I probably wouldn't have a kid get vaccinated for COVID, but then I wouldn't let him around grandparents either. I know I wasn't 100% vigilant in avoiding crowds as Indiana opened back up. I avoided my grandmother for four days after any time I went out, and I would avoid going out on nights that didn't time with when she needed me. Four days might not have been enough, but it seemed like a plan.

Still, COVID J&J vaccine had the worst efficacy, close to 78% when it came out. (If it improved, I didn't follow it.) Pfizer had 90% when it came out, which is higher than MMR (88%). I would think the 90% if rated based on everyone in the room being vaccinated. You introduce unvaccinated into the equation, that rating goes down.
 
I will let you edit your post then.
Nah, I will just explain here:

"For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them."

COVID is not really that lethal in children. All 4 of the kids had it and it was like a weak flu for them. The new strains (so far) have been more contagious but less lethal. That trend is likely to continue. The heart issue risk is also negligible but when I weighed that against the benefit they were likely to see (or not see) by getting the COVID vaccine, I don't think it is a worthwhile one for them to get. There are risks associated with the MMR and other vaccines as well. In those, I weigh that risk against what getting measles, rubella, etc. would do and we obviously got those vaccines.

I stand by my initial statement.
 
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Nah, I will just explain here:

"For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them."

COVID is not really that lethal in children. All 4 of the kids had it and it was like a weak flu for them. The new strains (so far) have been more contagious but less lethal. That trend is likely to continue. The heart issue risk is also negligible but when I weighed that against the benefit they were likely to see (or not see) by getting the COVID vaccine, I don't think it is a worthwhile one for them to get. There are risks associated with the MMR and other vaccines as well. In those, I weigh that risk against what getting measles, rubella, etc. would do and we obviously got those vaccines.

I stand by my initial statement.
Some euros didn’t rec for youth. Others paused for youth citing heart inflammation. I don’t think your position is unreasonable for young healthy kids. And I recognize it has to be weighted against spread of olders
 
My Mother preached about doing things you don't like makes you a stronger and better person.

During Covid followed the protocol established by my personal physician which included shots, wearing masks, and hand washing. Didn't consider this to come even close to some of the things which were required to do while playing sports, serving in the military, and earning a living.

in looking ahead to the upcoming flu season, my game plan is to get both my yearly flu shot and a special Covid related shot next October.

Call me silly, stupid, or whatever you want... doing things which i don't like hasn't killed me so far.
 
I feel like this discussion needs some distinctions. The COVID vaccine doesn't work like the Small Pox or Polio vaccines. I got the J&J COVID shot and I actually caught COVID. My kids did not get the shot and all caught COVID. I don't plan on giving my kids the COVID shot. If they want to get it when they are 18, that is their choice. For me, there is enough of a connection with the heart issues in young males to make it not worth the risk for them. I gladly and wholeheartedly went ahead with them getting their MMR and Polio, Tetanus.

In my mind, though different types of vaccine tech, the COVID shots are like the flu shot. Something they have to guess on and it may give you some protection against the virus. The Eris variant of COVID is aptly named. "It is more contagious!" we are told. Yeah, the common cold is really contagious too. Is it more lethal?

So am I anti-vax? I don't think I am. I think a bunch of other people that get slapped with that label are more aptly named, anti-COVID vax, but making that distinction weakens the ability to label them as idiots.
Well none of that is really a necessary response to what I was saying, which was simply about the basic theory of how vaccines work. That's true regardless of any of that other stuff. Does it make you anti-vax that you felt the need to go there? I don't think so. I think you're just going where your media told you to go. I think medicine has unfortunately become fully politicized.
 
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