Covid is over

IUCrazy2

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nothing more authoritative than a screencapture from "The Weekend Australian"

The author's a babe, though!
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So we're clear, you do not believe that the Chinese have an active bio-warfare program? I am not claiming that COVID is a bioweapon, I am saying that the research for biological warfare looks exactly like the research that goes on at places like Wuhan.


Hopefully the people that wrote those articles are ugly enough to focus on concepts that you have shown time and again you don't want to get into. I await your next deflection or smart ass reply. That seems to be par for the course around here.
 

mushroomgod_1

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Nature makes genetic mutations all of the time. The evidence for this being a virus that was genetically engineered by human technology and released on mankind as a bioweapon is, however (to this point) precisely zero.

You may claim that the egg that I had for breakfast was something that was created by alien visitors who are trying to control my mind. I cannot disprove this hypothesis. I can, however, point to the fact that it is mind-numbingly routine to produce eggs in poultry farms, so that origin is extremely more plausible.

I can also point to the fact that it is mind-numbingly routine for zoonotic transfer to take place and give rise to a human disease outbreak, so that origin is extremely more plausible than some fancy conspiracy theory.

Isn't it the case that the Chinese have tested tens of thousands of animals in the wild and located NO link?
 

mushroomgod_1

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Nature makes genetic mutations all of the time. The evidence for this being a virus that was genetically engineered by human technology and released on mankind as a bioweapon is, however (to this point) precisely zero.

You may claim that the egg that I had for breakfast was something that was created by alien visitors who are trying to control my mind. I cannot disprove this hypothesis. I can, however, point to the fact that it is mind-numbingly routine to produce eggs in poultry farms, so that origin is extremely more plausible.

I can also point to the fact that it is mind-numbingly routine for zoonotic transfer to take place and give rise to a human disease outbreak, so that origin is extremely more plausible than some fancy conspiracy theory.

The accidental lab accident/ accidental lab leak hypothesis has always been plausible. Questioning the World Health Organization’s conclusion that any lab-leak scenario is “extremely unlikely” seems reasonable to me.

The accidental lab accident/ accidental lab leak hypothesis, even if 100% true, is far different from the often-touted claim that the virus was "created in a lab" and it was a "bioweapon that was unleashed by the Chinese".

That's all I am saying about this, and no different from anthing I have said for over a year. It is a virus that mutated from a natural state and jumped to humans. It is very likely that the jump was accidental. How that accident occurred is not known and perhaps will not be known.

The presumption that it was a mutation occurring in nature is supported by the thousands of instances where such outbreaks have occurred in the past. This graphic shows the major ones, sorted by death toll. It vastly underestimate smallpox, though, since it was not one epidemic but a scourge that affected mankind over and over again for centuries.

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You are intentionally misstating the argument. No one with any sense has argued that the virus was "created in a lab"; rather, that it was likely altered in a lab and escaped via the lab workers.......and there is strong circumstantial evidence to support that possibility. The corrupt MS media and much of that part of the compliant scientific community that has a stake in this type of research demonized the few brave dissenters in their midst and are now trying to brush their crap back under the rug.
 

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The lab leak hypothesis appears to have its merits, and I have never argued otherwise. I have merely pointed out (many times) that the social media-fueled spin on the lab leak hypothesis, equating it to a planned release of a designed bioweapon, was (and still is) a stupid Trumptardian conspiracy theorist take. That's all.

Infectious disease centers always have animal vivariums, where wild animals are studied and blood samples are taken. Those animals need to be cared for, by people, involving close contact. Protocols call for PPE. It would not be odd if somebody screwed up. That would not be a "manipulated virus" but just a variant on the natural human exposure scenario.

Or maybe from a blood sample a virus was isolated live (not easy to do), grown successfully in cell culture (very, very hard to do), and spilled/dropped/inhaled somehow. That would also not be a "manipulated virus" or "bioweapon" but just another variant on the natural human exposure scenario.
You’re backpedaling furiously. This is an earlier post of yours:
Neither of those scenarios involves the virus being, in any way, "created" in a lab. It came from a natural virus that infected people, either people who came in contact with bats or a secondary carrier, or people exposed to the natural virus in a lab accident.

My point was that it was, with 100% certainty, not genetically engineered in a lab.
The earlier argument was not how it was introduced to people, but how it was created. You threw a fit when it was suggested that the Chinese created the virus. Quit being disingenuous...
 
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You are intentionally misstating the argument. No one with any sense has argued that the virus was "created in a lab"; rather, that it was likely altered in a lab and escaped via the lab workers.......and there is strong circumstantial evidence to support that possibility. The corrupt MS media and much of that part of the compliant scientific community that has a stake in this type of research demonized the few brave dissenters in their midst and are now trying to brush their crap back under the rug.

Another exhibit of rightwing brainwashing
 

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Another exhibit of rightwing brainwashing
Another example of a left wing cuck who would rather be servile to a foreign power than admit even the possibility something may or may not have happened solely basked on who posted it. Outside Shitter welcomes you to the club...
 

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Back to the OP. Covid is over. We just needed one election cycle to slow the curve.

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See you in the fall folks.
 

IUCrazy2

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Another exhibit of rightwing brainwashing

Who is the brainwashed masses? Bet that the take of the people who said that this escaped from a Chinese lab ends up being closer to the truth than all the people who fed you lies about this being wild conspiracy theory territory.

I'll leave what this says about the leaders of the modern left for another day, but the way this has gone down ties in very nicely with the Andrew Sullivan article on CRT that CoH posted.

Edit to add: There is a bunch of editorializing in the posted article that I disagree with, but people like Hickory need their truth immersed in things that agree with their world view. I figure if the truth is bathed in "racist Trump", wingnuts, right wing media and the like that reality might get through to even the most dense partisans.

It is you who was brainwashed Hickory. It is you who has the truth blocked from you when it is deemed unhelpful by those that control you.

Ok, post your laugh face and/or one liner now. I know it will take awhile for reality to sink in with you. Hopefully the article dumbed the message down enough for even you to grasp what has happened here over the last year.
 
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Here is where you opined on traceless gene insertion. You argue that Wuhan doesn't have the "know-how, equipment, and expertise," likening it to the unskilled workers at Jiffy Lube working on a fancy sports car.

But here is an article from 16 years ago, Development of mouse hepatitis virus and SARS-CoV infectious cDNA constructs by Ralph S. Baric of the University of North Carolina. In it, in Fig. 2 here--https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Use-of-Esp3I-in-the-traditional-and-no-see-um-approaches-The-traditional-approach-to_fig1_8119695 Baric describes exactly how to do a "no see um" gene editing approach, and given the title, I assume he did it on SARS-CoV. That was at UNC 16 years ago. I assume the "know-how" and "expertise," then, has been around for at least a decade among geneticists and virologists. (I'd say that's most likely a conservative estimate, too.)

We also know that this very same Ralph S. Baric teamed up with Shi of the Wuhan Institute of Virology to specifically alter bat coronaviruses five years before our current pandemic. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 This was also discussed in the Wade article, linked once again:


Regarding the equipment needed, I do not believe it is that complex or expensive and that Wuhan has the required equipment; but I readily admit I do not know that.
A good, shorter summary of this debate. Note it says that, while it is more likely that COVID-19 has a natural origin, it is still possible that it was genetically modified in WIV, and scientists are calling for that to be investigated.

 

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