Cold blooded murder in LA
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You can thank your Democrat governors and mayors and Nancy Pelosi for the Covid death rate! Not President Trump!
Geez, you are so long winded I skip 90% of the stuff you post. So I will summarize.
I don't read every thread here. I have a job, family, and a life.
I didn't attribute this shooting to BLM. I responded to Bulk, who compared it to the virus and what Trumpers do at rallies.
I have 2 family members on the IMPD, so I am outraged at all killings of officers.
I am pretty sure without going back that I said little about BLM. Maybe about the chanting, not sure, and not going to look back.
Crazy stuff right?
Unfortunately, it is cut and pasted.....directly from the BLM official website.
This is the direct material right off their page. If you want to be informed, go take a look yourself.
but you did and your part was proven widely inaccurate. Fox newz prez gives a (very small) thumbs up.
well that’s dumb. BLM isn’t a centralized organization. there are evangelical websites that say the devil buried dinosaur bones to keep us from believing in Jesus. I assume those speak for the whole movement? Lol.
Once again, my post was a hyperbolic response to Hoodat, to emphasize his stupidity. I still have yet to see any Righties denounce his statement, so I'm going to assume 100% tribalism on this board.
It's easy to find; it's the fbi. they maintain the records. most recent is 2018 and it was 53%. so 13% of the population are committing 53% of the homicides and when you throw in other violent crimes it goes up to about 60%. so those are frightening stats and i'm with you that it does have to do with their communities. that's what we ought to be focusing on. how do we get resources and infrastructure with all that attends to build up their communities. if we don't invest heavily the crime will never relent. and what so many don't get is that it inures to the benefit of all of us: black, white, whatever.
Jesus Christ. That story REPEATEDLY says the Sherriffs department lied about “huge crowds” blocking the emergency entrance and then shows as their only evidence the same tweet I linked in this thread. Which only mentions “protestors” and makes no mention at all of how many there are.So, it appears the LA County Sheriffs totally fabricated the story of a huge BLM crowd blocking the ambulance. There were like 5 idiots milling around and one idiot did say they hoped the police died (total f*cking idiot). The woman who supposedly tried to impede the ambulance was a reporter for NPR who had her credentials around neck and was just there covering the story.. She didn’t try to get in the way of anyone. It’s all on video:
Video catches Los Angeles sheriffs in lie about events outside hospital where ambushed cops were recovering
The LA County Sheriff's Department has been caught in a series of lies about their arrest of KPCC Josie Huang, who was reporting outside of St. Francis Medical Center in Lynwood where the two police officers shot in an ambush were taken.Two LA County deputies were shot and are in critical...www.rawstory.com
Video Shows Reporter Identified Herself as Press as She Was Arrested in Los Angeles
Reporter Josie Huang shared a series of videos on Twitter that show how quickly things escalated as she filmed officers arresting a protester.slate.com
Gee, why do people have trust issues with the police? Unbelievable.
Holy crap. Talk about fake news and the easy marks.
There are like, 3 people there. And the person holding the camera AND Tweeting is the little NPR reporter who was arrested and roughed up for no reason. Not only that, but they didn't even get in the ambulance's way. She was there to cover the story. No huge crowd of BLM protesters trying to stop the ambulance. No chant's of "I hope they die". One idiot who happened to be milling around a hospital in Compton said it once.
You realize YOU'RE the one distributing "fake news", right? Stop lying, liar.
You must be a delight on Facebook.
@UncleMark is wrong. There are no Trump rallies. That would be illegal in Dem states. They’re peaceful protests against rioting and looting. Peaceful protests have a loose definition in Dem run states.
Are you serious right now? Please tell me you’re joking.
Read that article and then show me where the sheriff’s department said ANYTHING about “huge crowds”.
Wow.
Your OP said that "protesters" were blocking the ambulance from getting to the ER! That is patently false. Quit spreading your stupid lies. Also, the thread title is false. Both officers are out of surgery and alive (thank G*d). So your "Cold Blooded Murder" header should be changed...at least until they're dead, and G*d willing, they won't be.
It's almost like you want them dead to make a case that, for all anyone knows, is completely unrelated to BLM.
Female journalist pinned to ground and arrested by LAPD while filming police being heckled
Journalism is not a crime: NPR correspondent arrested while covering press conference and hospital scene as Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies in critical condition after shooting
www.independent.co.uk
KPCC Journalist Tackled, Arrested While Trying To Cover L.A. Protest
Police say reporter Josie Huang didn't identify herself as a reporter, and was interfering with a lawful arrest. KPCC says Huang was just documenting the arrest on video when police tackled her.
www.npr.org
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What part of mine was proven inaccurate? I haven’t watched Fox News in 10 years, but if your binary world narrative works better by casting inaccurate aspersions...
Uh huh, now we’re getting somewhere.Your OP said that "protesters" were blocking the ambulance from getting to the ER! That is patently false. Quit spreading your stupid lies. Also, the thread title is false. Both officers are out of surgery and alive (thank G*d). So your "Cold Blooded Murder" header should be changed...at least until they're dead, and G*d willing, they won't be.
It's almost like you want them dead to make a case that, for all anyone knows, is completely unrelated to BLM.
Female journalist pinned to ground and arrested by LAPD while filming police being heckled
Journalism is not a crime: NPR correspondent arrested while covering press conference and hospital scene as Los Angeles sheriff’s deputies in critical condition after shooting
Tell you what, I’ll see about fixing the thread title and you stop posting obviously fake news.
I’ll wait and see on the journalist.
And keep this episode in mind the next time you whine about Fox.
Deal?
No. Your entire thread was your hyperbolic use of the police officers' shooting as some sort of evidence backing your clear hatred for BLM. It's obvious. Cut the crap. You know what you're doing. The officers are still alive. There were 5 drunk guys standing around on the sidewalk of a hospital in Compton (you implied they're BLM "protesters") and the person shooting the video was an NPR reporter who had her credentials on a lanyard, but was roughed up and arrested for doing nothing but what any other reporter does. She didn't interfere in any way or "rush the ambulance".
This entire thread is "fake news" by the usual suspects. Right wing nuts, who can't distinguish fact from fear/fantasy. Sad people.
I saw closer to 40% but that looked like an interpretation of the FBI data. Where do you see those numbers? Just curious.
But the point we agree on is the important one. It benefits everyone. We’d save a shit load on social services, healthcare, jails, prisons, etc. just by offering free childhood development. But the rich in America created this weird ethos that poor people are stupid. And since black communities have been trapped in poverty for generations, well, they’re the dumbest. They’ll tell you settlers built this country with their barehands (they did but were also HEAVILY subsidized by the govt...lol). So a big segment of the working class now supports the cause despite huge and growing wealth gaps. Wacky stuff.
I hope they catch the criminal that shot the police officers.
I think people misconstrue the BLM movement as being against police officers. No, it's just against the ones that commit crimes (their job is to catch criminals, not be judge, jury and executioner).
I am for police officers, unless they commit a crime.
I am for people of all ethnic backgrounds, unless they commit a crime.
Everyone that commits a crime is due their day in court (other than if they actually do pull a gun on someone and get shot in the process).
I think people misconstrue the BLM movement as being against police officers. No, it's just against the ones that commit crimes (their job is to catch criminals, not be judge, jury and executioner).
I am for police officers, unless they commit a crime.
I am for people of all ethnic backgrounds, unless they commit a crime.
Everyone that commits a crime is due their day in court (other than if they actually do pull a gun on someone and get shot in the process).
2018 DOJ office of justice programs. I"m too dumb to link. 11,970 murders and nonnegligent homicides 6,380 by blacks. according to the wall street journal reporting wash post stats (for whatever reason they are a big repository) in 2019 cops shot 1,004 people, blacks accounted for about a quarter of those (235). This is a ratio that's been stable since 2015. In the same article it cites 2018 as the latest year for published data, and shows blacks made up 53% of known homicide offenders and committed about 60% of robberies despite only being 13% of the population. so in my view the focus of BLM on social justice in courts and police force isn't supported by the data. I'm with you, and i've belabored the shit out of this, the focus should be on investing in communities: social services, healthcare, free childhood development, free daycare, free third shift day care, ending redlining, more jobs programs, free private school, more education opportunities, free addiction services, no credit loans to start businesses, waiver of down payments for mortgages. we throw so much money, historically, to build up other countries, yet neglect our own. when you consider slavery, followed by 100 years of oppression, blacks have not had a chance to enjoy the economic benefits of this country like whites. again, to me, economics and evening the playing field for blacks is where the focus needs to be to realize any meaningful change that will have far-reaching benefits
I am at Eyecenter in Bloomington. They had taken my glasses. Thanks for correction.
Glad you have a brave girlfriend that talked to those bad people you were afraid of.
But that's the irony Doc. And why courtsense is spot on about this board. the left cites a shooting like this as a random act of "posting black person doing bad things" but when a cop (of which there are 800,000) does a random act it's not random but systemic. because that's what the data shows. with respect to violent crimes the data does not support claims of systemic racism. cases like floyd are random acts no different than this random violent act.
what is systemic is blacks committing 53% percent of murders and 60% of robberies despite being 13% of population and no meaningful discussion anywhere as to the conditions that give rise to these statistics and what can be done to address them. black communities desperately need help and they aren't getting it.
as courtsense writes the title of the thread is wholly immaterial. the posters on this board will predictably fall right into the slots of whatever they've already decided.
there is systemic racism; i'm just not convinced cop shootings is where it rests and it's certainly not a salient topic for helping redress the conditions that give rise to crime
Not true. The Black Live Matter movement grew organically from the Trayvon Martin murder. It took two months for that story to gain any traction, as if a young black life didn't matter.
This is a lay up: The police's job is to serve and protect the public, not murder them. Criminals...black, white, Latino, Asian...are criminals. Why is that so difficult to grasp?
The police aren't supposed to be the criminals. Even in the case of the shooting in Compton, the LAPD lied and made up nonsense stories about protesters getting in the way of ambulances and reporters "rushing" the ambulance and hindering them getting the officers to the ER. Then three police officers gave a tiny Asian woman a black eye while they arrested her for doing her job as a reporter for NPR. Do you get why this is a PR problem for the police?
Because you don't live in reality. Of course you're right. But again you aren't being realistic. There are 800,000 cops. Tens of million contacts between cops and people per year. Most departments the qualifications are 18, a driver license, and a GED. it's impossible not to have events like these when you factor in all of the variables. so again, elevating communities thereby reducing the crimes thereby reducing contacts is the solution. alternatively dumping a shitload of money into policing where cops have master's in crim justice and make six figures. but i don't see that happening. and lastly as for the cops being criminals again as it stands with shootings there's no statistical support for your claim that there's a racist component to it. they shoot whites far more than blacks.
I don't live in reality? I live in Chicago...where everyone around here thinks is some sort of hell on Earth (It was Conde Nast Traveller's #1 best big city for tourists in the US for the last 3 years running, btw. No word on 2020 though,
). I counted 11 police cars from my window last night. Just sitting there. All night long with their lights on. I think I live a lot closer to reality than someone who lives in an ex-urb in random-town Florida. No offense.I didn’t mean as to where you live I meant as to your expectations for cops. Their qualifications are the same as a gig at dollar general yet we expect them to be like cia agentsI don't live in reality? I live in Chicago...where everyone around here thinks is some sort of hell on Earth (It was Conde Nast Traveller's #1 best big city for tourists in the US for the last 3 years running, btw. No word on 2020 though,
Obviously this is a sickening and disgusting crime. I hope like hell the officers survive and both the shooter and anyone purposely hindering the ambulance are prosecuted to the fullest extent.
I do want to add that I didn't see this outrage from the Right when Steven Carrillo, a "Boogaloo" weirdo killed a Santa Cruz Sheriff and another security officer on May 29th. Per the FBI, “They came to Oakland to kill cops.” “They are 2nd Amendment insurrectionists." “The boogaloo boys believe in armed insurrection and include attacks on the police.”
In fact, black people are only involved in about 2% of shootouts with police. 83% are far right extremist groups. 8% are Islamic fundamentalists. I'd lump them in with right wing extremists too.
This article lists the people who have murdered police officers. All of them are anti-government or white supremecists/neo nazis.
So, maybe we shouldn't get out over our skis blaming BLM for causing all this.
What is the difference between a right wing terrorist and a left wing terrorist and why does it matter?
I think Hitler and Stalin were pretty much the same, yet many consider them polar opposites.
Well, if the guys whose job it is to fight crime are committing the crimes, there is a very serious problem. I don't think anyone is expecting police officers to be more than they are; law enforcement professionals. If you can't do your job without murdering someone, it's time to turn in your badge. I don't think that's too much to ask.
The posts I quoted...
"Extremely sad, but not unexpected. When you portray the police as villains for just doing their jobs, there is going to be an eventual backlash.
Democrats, BLM, and anyone protesting George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Jacob Blake, etc. are going to have to accept responsibility for this.
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