Coach Hiller & recruiting
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We have always been in the top 8 of most a lot of four star recruits in the past even in the really down years and sometimes in even in the top 5 yet seldom in the top 3.
Know you seem skeptical but a Top 10 year and national coach of year honors, Jan FL bowl second year in a row and losing only to OSU by 7 in a great national TV game...something tells me IU’s brand may be higher now don’t you think?
Did some digging to justify my point. While Rivals database does not allow you to identify if recruits in the past had Indiana in their top 8 or not I could identify who were four stars and who they committed to which I think we all can agree, just by math, should be a much higher percentage than a commit.
Since 2013 the state of Indiana has had 42 four star or higher recruits(not counting the 2022 class as many are still open). Since 2013 Indiana has signed 8 of them which is just under 20 percent. So, no I dont think a 4 star having us in their top 8 is a huge deal.
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Who was arguing that point? Also, I am not skeptical at all. Right now we have the best environment for recruiting in the history of our program. From our facilities, on field success, media exposure, to our coaches approach to recruiting.
And yet under Wilson the Hoosiers had bookend 1st round draft pick offensive tackles. There is something to be said about developing Talent on the offensive line.
Spriggs was drafted in the second round and Feeney was a guard and was drafted in the third round.
No he didn't.
Springs was a second rounder (who was classed as a tight end in the data base by the way) and Feeney was a guard that went in the second as well.
Wisconsin since 2017 12 Ol 2 5star 6 4star 4 3star .none of those were ranked below 857 player in nation.Also 6 were ranked top 600 or better 2 top 20 .10 of 12 were ranked top 40 at thsir position. It may have been that Wisconsin got 2 and 3 star guys and developed them ,but that ship sailed a long time ago.
That is a recent development. I reviewed their starting oline several years ago and it was comprised of 2* and 3* players across the board. This was probably three years ago.
I found the same to be true regarding Iowa. Iowa had all two and three star players excluding their LT, who was a 4* player.
Not sure that really proves your point. How many of these guys did we even offer? Also different staff at the time. Facilities have improved. We were not on a fair playing for a few years that you included.
We signed 7 OL in the class of '20 which tells me we the staff saw the offensive line cupboard as a bit bare. I want to give Hiller more time to see what he can do with these players before making any judgements
Or maybe they saw that 7 of the 23 we have on roster are juniors or older. We obviously value big guys more than the guys to the north who covet wide receivers. We also have 19 defensive linemen but play a 4 man front. You don’t want a bunch of linemen leave and not have young guys in the strength program and learning the college game.
Because they have run first mentality and that is what the NFL is looking for. I am not sure we are ready to turn to that concept with th number of 4 star quarterbacks we have acquired.
patient for holes to open? They were straight getting smoked behind the line of scrimmage way to often. Stevie Scott yards per carry has dropped each year .
I think there is more to to be said than just identifying talent. Midwest boys don't need to be 4 stars for you to have a great line.
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Yes, waiting for holes to open.
Sometimes backs need to wait for blocks to occur. That doesn't always happen and its on the running backs. If the running backs aren't patient and don't let the offensive lineman set up the blocks, the plays won't work.
It's really not hard to understand.
Well, he's certainly not the solution, to this point anyway. I hear a rumor that Louisville is looking at him for OC?? That's surprising, & a bit....baffling, tbh.
Very true, but for the most part from what I've seen of our running game, patience on the part of our backs would result in 4 yard losses instead of 2 yard losses. We can't run block, unless we're playing against a s#!++y front 7. Period. & that needs immediate improvement
Don’t know why it would be baffling. He has coached in some high powered offenses at Houston, at Cincinnati at USF and even at IU with they had everyone healthy. I guess though you know Hiller and talked to him about schemes and philosophy and maybe attend practices and meetings.
Wow. Makes a guy not want to put an opinion out there on this board when one gets this kind of response. No wonder people don’t want to participate. He really didn’t even say anything bad about Hiller just that he found it baffling. I really don’t think he needs to have attended practice to be able to make that kind of statement on a discussion board.
Just wondering why it is baffling that Hiller would be considered a candidate for the Cincinnati oc job? Thought it was a discussion board my bad.
? What are you--his wife? I've seen our O-line digress every year he's been here. Doesn't exactly scream, "hire me".
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Why does that make me his wife because he is being considered for a job as an oc? It is your opinion that o line has digressed does that mean he stole your girlfriend? Have said it before we have had a guy go to the NFLeach season he has been here? This year it could be technically 2 with Crider and Cronk. According to a poster who posted that finished at # 16 in pass protection. Watched 2 different pieces by Urban Meyer talking about how impressed he was with the IU offensive line. Like him or not he knows football. Don’t disagree we need to run the football better. We can get even better in pass protection. Hopefully we will get a more normal off season and get stronger in the weight room. Have a full spring to work on technique and add to our schemes with our offensive coordinator’ second season.
I think you may have missed my point. My point was that a 4 star recruit from Indiana having us in their top 8 is not a big deal as since 2013 we have had almost 20 percent of them sign with us. So if 20 percent of them sign with us then the percent of 4 star recruits who had us in the top 8 was most likely much higher. Hence, my point. A 4 star recruit having us in their top 8 is not a big deal or ground breaking.
I can agree top 8 is not really that for sure. I was talking to a Michigan fan today at work and we were talking that in the past Michigan had gotten a lot of o linemen from Ft Wayne we seem to have maybe slowed that trend down a little bit. But here’s to hoping we can up that 20 to 50 or more.
If true, I would welcome a change for him (promotion) and IU, fresh new OL coach who could be a real riser in coaching world and good new energy and recruiter for IU.
Exactly--it's a discussions board. Not a jump someone's s#1+ if you don't agree with their post.
Because you responded so defensevely to...much ado about nothing, really. Has nothing to do with him being considered for an OC job. Has to do with your response to my post. & as for our O-line, sure there's some room for objectivity there, but regardless of what Urban Meyer or anyone else says about our O-line, when we average 3.1 YPC--which we did this year--I think we have a problem. More of a problem than, "could be better". Of course that's just my opinion! Others may vary, & obviously do!
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In a an abbreviated spring no summer and practice and a preseason that was very inconsistent what would you have spent more time on run blocking or protecting a potential franchise quarterback who is injury prone? If you through the ball 60 % of the time you work pass pro 60% in practice. If you run the ball the 60% of the time you should work run blocks 60% of the time. People do not understand the importance of time lost spring, summer and fall. Time is very valuable to preparing an offensive line more so than any other unit. It must operate as one. It is easy to sit here and point fingers and criticize but unless you are there on a daily basis it is impossible to determine the issues. The other thing is your first game out of is against Penn State a perennial top defensive team not UConn. Iu played 7 BIG teams this year and an SEC West team. I don’t care what the records of those teams finished they are tough battle byested teams. You also played 7 consecutive weeks that is a huge grind for any team. You can call these excuses if you want to but you talk to anyone that has coached and they will tell you the same thing. Yes we have to expand the run game and it needs to get better. But I will tell you if this off season is like last and Penix is our starter then I don’t give a damn what are yards per carry average is and I can tell you that CTA can tell you and we need to run the football but he is telling the offensive staff we need to figure a way to make sure Penix can deliver the ball.
We need to block better(as afar as the O-line is concerned), Penix just...it's simple: he stays healthy. or he doesn't. & fortune seems to play a big role in that, although....it might be time to shelve ANY designed runs for him. & HE was soley reasponsible for...a lot of loffensive success last year, but also his release really aided pass blocking, which was considerable better than run blocking anyway. I think McCulley needs to be ready, becasue there could be an opportunity for him in '21.
In fairness to Coach Hiller, and CTA touched on this, the run game was purposely kept very ”vanilla” this year due to COVID because they knew personnel availability would/could be very fluid week to week. Does our Oline need to keep improving ? For sure, some of that is just plain recruiting better players, including better backs ( and maybe coaching them up too as that can make a line look better), but to place the blame for the lack of a running game this year totally at Hiller’s feet isn’t justified, nor is letting him completely off the hook.
McCulley? Don’t you think you are underestimating Tuttle and Dexter Williams? They will both have 1.5 a d 2.5 years on Donaven. We have seen Tuttle.... very competent. Hearing Dexter is good as well. Hopefully we’ll see more of him this spring.
Nope. I'm accurately estimating the injury risks forTuttle & Penix, & then you're talking Williams & McCulley(potentially). Yes I've heard good things about Dexter Williams too, but McCulley is a potential Blue Chipper & either way. he would need to ready to play in that course of events. Might seem far fetched, but it's happened too many times to us over the years(losing multiple QB's to injury &/or unexpected transfer, or some B.S.)for me to discount it as a possibility. I was actually surprised Ramsey didn't get hurt last year('19)after Penix went down, just considering how any times that type of thing has befallen us. Hell--it happened this year! Tuttle would have not played beyong the bowl game--had the season gone on(hypothetically speaking) & I was actually surprised he finished that game.
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Because our OC is not the best either. Im worried Allen may pull a mallory and not fire assistant coaches that everyone can see needs to go
I am concerned about both of those coaches but we can't go by a season without spring practice to know if they are a problem or not.
seemed like Scott's 1st yr, his strength was his waiting for the hole to open.
then he transitioned to hitting where the hole was hopefully going to be asap, which if iirc from articles, is a change his coach wanted.
The ranking is do to a small number of players due to the roster. The average is much better measure.
I don't know. I see guys leaving, and I'm not sure it's entirely their choice.
