I swear I don’t know anybody.. especially those who call themselves Christians, can defend this abhorrent human being who we still have to refer to as Mr President
I swear I don’t know anybody.. especially those who call themselves Christians, can defend this abhorrent human being who we still have to refer to as Mr President
Or vote for him and then tell their kids, in any context, that character matters.I swear I don’t know anybody.. especially those who call themselves Christians, can defend this abhorrent human being who we still have to refer to as Mr President
Former president still has the title unfortunatelyNo, we don't.
You realize that Harris and walz have been lying through their teeth. The Dem party concealed the condition of Biden, lied about it, and perpetuated a fraud on the American public.Or vote for him and then tell their kids, in any context, that character matters.
💯You realize that Harris and walz have been lying through their teeth. The Dem party concealed the condition of Biden, lied about it, and perpetuated a fraud on the American public.
These are all politicians. Character isn’t a requirement or trait they concern themselves with. Winning and power. Nothing else
The character shit is silly
that you think there is any comparison between the character of harris/walz and Trump shows your delusion.You realize that Harris and walz have been lying through their teeth. The Dem party concealed the condition of Biden, lied about it, and perpetuated a fraud on the American public.
These are all politicians. Character isn’t a requirement or trait they concern themselves with. Winning and power. Nothing else
The character shit is silly
Lying about policies that important to millions of voters to get votes is despicable. Lying about the condition of Biden. That’s our safety etc. despicable.that you think there is any comparison between the character of harris/walz and Trump shows your delusion.
What's silly is your false equivalence. But I realize false equivalences are Chapter 1 of the Trump/MAGA playbook.You realize that Harris and walz have been lying through their teeth. The Dem party concealed the condition of Biden, lied about it, and perpetuated a fraud on the American public.
These are all politicians. Character isn’t a requirement or trait they concern themselves with. Winning and power. Nothing else
The character shit is silly. This isn’t pence vs Carter
There's plenty of difference. They are very different kinds of character flaws. We can disagree on how important they are relatively speaking, but it's just incorrect to dismissively equate them.Lying about policies that important to millions of voters to get votes is despicable. Lying about the condition of Biden. That’s our safety etc. despicable.
No difference between trump and them. None. They all will say anything
Fair. Dems are worse lying about policyWhat's silly is your false equivalence. But I realize false equivalences are Chapter 1 of the Trump/MAGA playbook.
Yes I consider lying to the public about policy far worseThere's plenty of difference. They are very different kinds of character flaws. We can disagree on how important they are relatively speaking, but it's just incorrect to dismissively equate them.
because trump doesn't lie about policy? lmaoYes I consider lying to the public about policy far worse
yup, MAGA party is all about love and freedom...unless you are black, LBTQ or woke.The party of hate and anti free speech is now after of all people Brittany Mahomes. Maybe Cuban will try to ban her from Mavs games.
That’s the point. Both sides lie through their teeth. The scale or import depends on your own values. For me they’re both so bad character is a washbecause trump doesn't lie about policy? lmao
Even if lying was the worst sin in the book (worse than sexual assault, bragging about it and all the other things Trump has done), Trump stills lies more often than Harris and Walz combined.
Especially from the only guy on the board with medical assistantsOnce again, the cooler lets me down with a bait and switch.
Let’s think about this Dem party. They actively concealed the condition of the president from the public. How scary is that!! Then affirmatively sent out the press sect to lie about it daily. He’s sharp as ever. Then they install the vp and to hear Newsom there wasn’t a lot of democracy in that decision, without a vote, who along with her vp stand up and lie about the major issues facing America. And you want to talk about trump? Lol. Physician heal thyselfyup, MAGA party is all about love and freedom...unless you are black, LBTQ or woke.
Or vote for him and then tell their kids, in any context, that character matters.
I don't. I consider lying about facts far worse. But the particular flaw with Trump in this thread isn't even dishonesty. It's indecency.Yes I consider lying to the public about policy far worse
Trump has a character flaw and it often gets the best of him. Kamala does not have much of a character flaw, she is just a moron, she knows it, and she compensates with the cackle and avoiding challenges, like a one-on-one interview.There's plenty of difference. They are very different kinds of character flaws. We can disagree on how important they are relatively speaking, but it's just incorrect to dismissively equate them.
What happened? What did I miss?I swear I don’t know anybody.. especially those who call themselves Christians, can defend this abhorrent human being who we still have to refer to as Mr President
This is just too much to take. Cats and dogs living together, in harmony and all that.The party of hate and anti free speech is now after of all people Brittany Mahomes. Maybe Cuban will try to ban her from Mavs games.
Usually we don't hear people say that sleeping your way to the top is very noble. But I guess the Democrats don't care their Presidential Candidate did it. Is Willie Brown alive? Let's ask him.Trump has a character flaw and it often gets the best of him. Kamala does not have much of a character flaw, she is just a moron, she knows it, and she compensates with the cackle and avoiding challenges, like a one-on-one interview.
The thread title does deserve some acknowledgment here. Kudos.I swear I don’t know anybody.. especially those who call themselves Christians, can defend this abhorrent human being who we still have to refer to as Mr President
Indecency? That’s my love languageI don't. I consider lying about facts far worse. But the particular flaw with Trump in this thread isn't even dishonesty. It's indecency.
Usually we don't hear people say that sleeping your way to the top is very noble. But I guess the Democrats don't care their Presidential Candidate did it. Is Willie Brown alive? Let's ask him.
Does attempting to overthrow the election have any bearing on your thinking?I voted for Trump, despite knowing what kind of man he was. And, honestly, if I had the 2016 election to do all over again, I'd vote for him again. I had my reasons and I was comfortable with them.
I think people had to make the same bargain with Clinton, BTW. It was no secret in 1992 that he was a lecher. I do remember a lot of people insisting that he was just the victim of a smear campaign (including his own wife, who clearly knew the truth). So I guess they can just claim that they were fooled. But I think most of his voters knew it and were OK with it -- or, at least, believed that the ends at stake justified those particular means.
I voted for Trump, despite knowing what kind of man he was. And, honestly, if I had the 2016 election to do all over again, I'd vote for him again. I had my reasons and I was comfortable with them.
I think people had to make the same bargain with Clinton, BTW. It was no secret in 1992 that he was a lecher. I do remember a lot of people insisting that he was just the victim of a smear campaign (including his own wife, who clearly knew the truth). So I guess they can just claim that they were fooled. But I think most of his voters knew it and were OK with it -- or, at least, believed that the ends at stake justified those particular means.
“I don’t know anything about Project 2025. By the way, here’s my VP Pick, JD Vance.”Yes I consider lying to the public about policy far worse
I’m not talking about Trump’s philandering. That’s just one piece of his abysmal character and far from the most important.I voted for Trump, despite knowing what kind of man he was. And, honestly, if I had the 2016 election to do all over again, I'd vote for him again. I had my reasons and I was comfortable with them.
I think people had to make the same bargain with Clinton, BTW. It was no secret in 1992 that he was a lecher. I do remember a lot of people insisting that he was just the victim of a smear campaign (including his own wife, who clearly knew the truth). So I guess they can just claim that they were fooled. But I think most of his voters knew it and were OK with it -- or, at least, believed that the ends at stake justified those particular means.
Jd Vance might. I guarantee trump hasn’t read two pages of it, or anything not on social media“I don’t know anything about Project 2025. By the way, here’s my VP Pick, JD Vance.”
My point wasn't to compare Clinton and Trump's lists of character flaws. My point was just that it's not that surprising that voters will overlook them -- or at least put them in a pros/cons balance against what they see as the benefits of voting for a candidate.If trump being a cheater was as far as it went, then I would see your point/comparison.
Co-sign. And I’ll do it againMy point wasn't to compare Clinton and Trump's lists of character flaws. My point was just that it's not that surprising that voters will overlook them -- or at least put them in a pros/cons balance against what they see as the benefits of voting for a candidate.
Again, I was pretty sure I had a good grasp on what kind of man Donald Trump was. He's been in the public eye for 4 decades or so -- and he wasn't ever shy about putting it out there for everybody to see. In fact, I'd even say he deliberately traded on it. Despite this, I voted for him -- essentially because I thought the juice was worth the squeeze, given the circumstances.
None of the four are any bastion of honesty or high character..that you think there is any comparison between the character of harris/walz and Trump shows your delusion.
I fully understand why people voted for him in 2016. Clinton was a terrible candidate and Trump was viewed by many as a no-bullshit, tell-it-like-it-is guy.
The problem is he turned out to be all-bullshit and tell-it-like-it-isn’t.
Great. And he'll get two more picks if he's elected, so five of the nine justices would be his picks. That's another reason I'm NOT voting for him.Oh, I knew that he was all bullshit. In no way did I vote for him because I thought he was a no-bullshit, tell-it-like-it-is guy. I knew he was a hedonistic, narcissistic con artist from the first time I saw him on the old NBC Letterman show.
No, I voted for him pretty much entirely because the balance of the Supreme Court was at stake -- and, unfortunately, the judiciary has become the most consequential of the 3 branches of government.
Totally get that. Don’t want cons s.Ct. Justices. Don’t like his take on nato. Etc. All good and understandable. The character shit when the alternative is this iteration of the Dem party doesn’t hold water.Great. And he'll get two more picks if he's elected, so five of the nine justices would be his picks. That's another reason I'm NOT voting for him.