Bill Maher is spot on imo on all fronts here
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It does...but then along comes an obviously historically different situation. And I think we're in that with the Trump v Biden...and then Trump v Harris decision.
Our pols for sometime have spent too much and taxed too little. Whistling past the graveyard is a good description of this.
Been complaing about deficits for decades. Even voted for Perot in 1992 because he serious about the issue.
Do know this, the poor and middle class will be hit the hardest when the ghosts caused by the overwhelming debt burden leave the graveyard.
Anecdotally, I can't agree with that. The majority of my Tea Party friends here in Indiana were much more libertarian in nature and aren't fans of Trump.
Take Trump's personality of it and I bet they're more 'Trumpist' than you think.
It was the substance your nonsense post deserved.
That is the sad part as so many just don't like him and they hold that against it all. I'm not looking for a best friend in this election just someone who will lead the country. Harris is the only person I know that interviewed for a job 4 years ago was basically the second to last candidate if graded and now has the opportunity to be President. Four years ago zero Democrats' were on the Harris train and 3 1/2 years later and after doing absolutely nothing she is exactly what they want? lol Nothing like going from last to first without doing a thing, only in America.
Dems have a history of promoting their failures. Just look at Biden - laughed out of the Presidential race in the late 80s for plagiarism and overstating his academic achievements and then the same media and Party embrace him as VP (where he was a joke) and Prez (where he's even more of a failure).
Trump is far from libertarian in many of his views.
They are Conservative Democrats would be my label. More isolationist, more economically protectionist, less favorable to the corporate world and financial industry. That mixed with more socially conservative positions.
It is the 1980's John Cougar Mellencamp and Brice Springsteen blue collar worker types. Kind of a mixing of "America F yeah" with a healthy dose of "but the establishment is screwing me over". It isn't the same party it was in 2012.
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Well, yes, but he's a lot closer than any Democrat.
If you value the first 2 Amendments to the Constitution, what other choice do they have?
#1 is a political ploy. As is noted, the SC already ruled you can burn the flag. No EO or legislation can change that. It's like Kamala saying she's going to bring back Roe v Wade. Just political rhetoric.
#2 he's talking about red flag laws, which are in effect in Indiana. The Constitution isn't a death pact - allowing crazies to keep guns is insane. Evidently these laws are Constitutional.
#3 you friends are probably in Cass County and I doubt they claim you since you're a Carmelite and hang out with fellow Carmelites like Bloom.
You're talking about swing voters on the margins, the Obama/Trump voters?
These are typically social conservative, economic progressive swing voters. But you're talking maybe 10%. What about the other 80 or 90% that have voted for Republicans forever?
F the teamsters. O'Brien is the biggest huckster, asshole in the world. UPS lost 10% in package volume YoY some months due to their threatened strike last year. Subsequently 20K UPS management employees have been laid off or forced into early retirement because of said drop in volume and their exorbitant contract. How's that for "protecting labor"?
No skin off the drivers ass, less packages to deliver, they can finish their deliveries by 2 PM and then head to the bar. Meanwhile they're torpedoing the company they purportedly work for. Autonomous vehicles can't get here soon enough.
would have loved to have been a bug on the wall during those executive team meetings when you were reading these people the riot act
i don't think your math is remotely correct twenty. i think there has been considerably more movement than your stats
What are you basing that on? Very low % of people actually switch parties.
Here's a breakdown of the Republican coalition they Pew put together a couple years ago following the last election.
1. The Republican coalition
Republican-aligned groups in the typology are united by preferences for a smaller federal government, a strong U.S. military and a rejection of the view that the country needs to do a great deal more to address racial inequities. But there are stark differences on issues related to economic...
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The realignment of the working classWhat are you basing that on? Very low % of people actually switch parties.
Here's a breakdown of the Republican coalition they Pew put together a couple years ago following the last election.
1. The Republican coalition
Republican-aligned groups in the typology are united by preferences for a smaller federal government, a strong U.S. military and a rejection of the view that the country needs to do a great deal more to address racial inequities. But there are stark differences on issues related to economic...
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I'm not saying there isn't some realignment going on.... I've been saying that on here for years. But it's only on the margins... It's not like the whole country just picked up and switched jerseys.
I think it’s more than the margins. How substantial. I don’t know
These parties as crazy noted stand for materially different things than they did in 2012
Tea party=small government adherents
Trump=big government adherent
Democrats=larger government adherents
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You're completely wrong, but I'm not going to argue with you about this anymore. If I keep it up, you'll order $167 worth of Thai food at lunch when I pay off the bet I owe you.
The Tea Party was also about taxes, and Trump cut them.
I don't think Trump is a big government adherent, but he certainly inherited a big government. Hard to change the structure of government in 4 years when 2 1/2 of those years is dealing with a bogus investigation and the other time trying to keep the country from going down the tube with Covid.
The fact he's going to assign Musk to audit the government should give you some hope.
Trump isn't a fiscal conservative, but credit to him for figuring out 80-90% of the population doesn't care about being fiscally conservative. It's why it was so easy for former GOPers to vote for Biden and Harris. People like Cheney and his ilk were never conservatives. They want big government, but just in different areas.
I think that chart kind of backs what I was saying. The Trump coalition would be the socially conservative first "Faith and Flag" people mixed with the "Populist Right" and they combined with the "Stressed Sideliners" to be 61% of the party and more economically left.What are you basing that on? Very low % of people actually switch parties.
Here's a breakdown of the Republican coalition they Pew put together a couple years ago following the last election.
1. The Republican coalition
Republican-aligned groups in the typology are united by preferences for a smaller federal government, a strong U.S. military and a rejection of the view that the country needs to do a great deal more to address racial inequities. But there are stark differences on issues related to economic...
I think the old coalition was the "Faith and Flag", "Committed Conservative", and "Ambivalent Right". The last few candidates before Trump came from the Committed Conservative cohort and that is where the majority of party leadership sits and I think the money in the party is more comfortable with the social feelings of the "Ambivalent Right". If the establishment wants their old party back, they need to convince the "Faith and Flag" folks to come back on board. The other two groups of the current coalition running the party aren't natural fits for them in economics. The "Faith and Flag" people are the decides between who runs the party.
Trumps only view is winning. The “everything is fine just continue to follow the cabal, who moved my cheese ” crowd will say he’s only interested in winning for himself. Fine if you want to continue to simply be led by the nose, and ignore that it’s leading us into oblivion. But Trump has nothing in this to win for himself. Jesus Christ, dems have tried to kill him. twice!
If it were any other country, we’d be sending in the CIA to stop this crap. But here we are, with our own CIA and swamp donkeys doing what they do, to ourselves!
The Faith and Flag people do run the party. They are the most conservative element and they are the most pro Trump.
But these are voters that would rather impale themselves on a flag than vote for a Democrat. These aren't moderates
MCM doesn't understand the Republican party. He is just talking about swing voters. Literally people that probably voted for Obama and now are voting Trump.
What about the other 85% of Republican voters?
Wrong. You’re talking about swing voters. I’m talking about the base. The base has changed. A swing voter can go either way in a given election. Hell I’m a swing voter. The working class as I linked has realigned itself. They are the base. They are maga. That’s not a swing voter. That’s the party. Not sure why you refuse to grasp that. I don’t think you understand today’s Republican Party.
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Working Class Folks are the New Political Base and Republicans Have the Advantage | The Ripon Society
The GOP's new voters need relief from both government and the private sector.
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This is all in keeping with the thrust of bill Maher’s assertion re Trumpism. - that trump will go but Trumpism will still be around. This is the Republican Party. Not fickle swing voters - the base.
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No, the Faith and Flag people are the most loyal voters, they don't run the party though. The Committed Conservatives do...at least in messaging (after the past few years I question a whole bunch of the party leaderships actual commitment to conservatism, but that is where their rhetoric generally is).
With Trump, the Populists are running the messaging and they have an easier time in drawing in some of those moderate Democrats because they are much more willing to tack left on economic issues. The real danger is that we haven't had a true conservative governing party at the Federal level in a long time because that is hard to do. We have had the let's go left and the let's go left but not as fast party. That is what led to Trump. Which is why I disagree with Aloha about kicking all the Trump elements out of the party. The voters want a more throaty defense of their beliefs AND they expect to see some action when the GOP has some power. Otherwise we are on the path to Europe where the "conservatives" are people like Trump, namely what used to be Democrats here about 30 years ago.
