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Atlantic just released all the texts this a.m. and it is not good

"At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:
  • “1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
  • “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”

“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”

“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”

“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.

“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”
I make the argument that if there were classified intel in these conversations then why isn't Goldberg is jail? He released them publicly. Now I don't know how he got on the receiving list or whatever you call it.
 
I make the argument that if there were classified intel in these conversations then why isn't Goldberg is jail? He released them publicly. Now I don't know how he got on the receiving list or whatever you call it.
Atlantic cleared what could and could not be printed with the CIA. But regardless, after the gov't principals claimed under oath in front of Congress that it wasn't classified, I'd say Goldberg had a pretty solid affirmative defense if someone challenged him for publishing it, wouldn't you?
 
Atlantic cleared what could and could not be printed with the CIA. But regardless, after the gov't principals claimed under oath in front of Congress that it wasn't classified, I'd say Goldberg had a pretty solid affirmative defense if someone challenged him for publishing it, wouldn't you?
I have no problem with him publishing it. So are you saying he didn't publish all of it? I was unaware of that.
 
Want to go back and see who was President during WWI and WWII?
As always you cultist defer rather than admit the truth. Must be great living in that sh**hole of denial. Most actual Republicans, not MAGA cult members can admit that Iraq was a disaster. Wondering how it feels to be a pretzel.
 
As always you cultist defer rather than admit the truth. Must be great living in that sh**hole of denial. Most actual Republicans, not MAGA cult members can admit that Iraq was a disaster. Wondering how it feels to be a pretzel.
Maga is the Republican Party
 
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As always you cultist defer rather than admit the truth. Must be great living in that sh**hole of denial. Most actual Republicans, not MAGA cult members can admit that Iraq was a disaster. Wondering how it feels to be a pretzel.
What? Trump was the one who rid Republicans of the Iraq war albatross. McCain and Romney had to tacitly show support for something everyone knew was a disaster and it hurt their campaigns.

Then Trump comes in 2016 and starts blasting Bush and Cheney. It gave the whole party permission to cut bait.

Without Trump, Republicans would probably still be making weak ass arguments for why we needed to go into Iraq.
 
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They’ve been around for years and I’ve used them. H.R. McMaster has blasted Waltz, Hegseth and gang for this Signal fiasco specifically stating that kind of information is very sensitive and classified and had to be discussed over secure channels which they all had access to. Whatever you heard you likely misunderstood it because you know zilch about this stuff.
You gotta understand how fast this administration is moving.

You are a lethargic career govee. Who is used to things progressing at the speed of molasses and has never felt a sense of urgency in your life.

So errors made in haste are a novel concept to you.
 
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You gotta understand how fast this administration is moving.

You are a lethargic career govee. Who is used to things progressing at the speed of molasses and has never felt a sense of urgency in your life.

So errors made in haste are a novel concept to you.
You’re an ignorant dope. That’s the weakest defense made for this **** up so far. No one else is ignorant enough to make it.

I was career military who worked in fast paced situations, not a "career govee." I was in the Gulf at the start of the first Gulf war on the Middle East Force command ship. I’ve had to deal with shipboard emergencies like a fire, major steam leak, and flooding. I’ve experienced a situation in which Soviet ships suddenly lit our ships up with fire control radar our response was urgent obviously. You don’t know urgency. You evaded service and don’t know jack shit about this, yet you can’t STFU.

Errors made in haste may ass. This was an error made by rookies. Amateurs, who hopefully learned their lesson. Just STFU! Stick with subjects you actually know something about, which should essentially silence you.
 
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You gotta understand how fast this administration is moving.

You are a lethargic career govee. Who is used to things progressing at the speed of molasses and has never felt a sense of urgency in your life.

So errors made in haste are a novel concept to you.
This is an insane post. You have no ****ing clue who aloha is and what he’s done. He’s not some phony socialist liberal. He’s not a communist, and he seems to have worked his ass off his entire life. In fact, I would guess that aloha has made more positive contributions to the United States of America than you could even possibly dream of.

Lazy and lethargic posting from you. The irony is delicious.
 
This is an insane post. You have no ****ing clue who aloha is and what he’s done. He’s not some phony socialist liberal. He’s not a communist, and he seems to have worked his ass off his entire life. In fact, I would guess that aloha has made more positive contributions to the United States of America than you could even possibly dream of.

Lazy and lethargic posting from you. The irony is delicious.
No my friend. This. Is an insane post.
 
You’re an ignorant dope. That’s the weakest defense made for this **** up so far. No one else is ignorant enough to make it.

I was career military who worked in fast paced situations. I was in the Gulf at the start of the first Gulf war on the Middle East Force command ship. I’ve had to deal with shipboard emergencies like a fire, major steam leak, and flooding. I’ve experienced a situation in which Soviet ships suddenly lit our ships up with fire control radar our response was urgent obviously. You don’t know urgency. You evaded service and don’t know jack shit about this, yet you can’t STFU.

Errors made in haste may ass. This was an error made by rookies. Amateurs, who hopefully learned their lesson. Just STFU! Stick with subjects you actually know something about, which should essentially silence you.
I’m wondering how you would deal with this character if he were on your ship.
 
I’m wondering how you would deal with this character if he were on your ship.
Based on his history here, he has no interest in serving his country in any capacity, but especially in the military. If for some reason he decided he'd try to serve in the military, he probably couldn't pass the physical fitness requirements. He'd have to do a lot better than 3 pushups, 2 sit-ups and a 22-minute mile and a half run. I suspect he's that physically weak and couldn't. However, if he could somehow manage to squeak out the minimums and pass on the other requirements, I doubt he'd get through boot camp. He's a know it all who actually doesn't know much, so he'd think he knows more than his drill instructors and other trainers, which likely would be a ticket home there. But say he got through boot camp by the skin of his teeth and reported to me on a ship, I doubt it would be long before he'd be discharged for General Dumbassery. That's not an actual charge, but there's little doubt he'd be a screw up and be discharged for something.

No offense, Farva, I'm just joking here.
 
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Based on his history here, he has no interest in serving his country in any capacity, but especially in the military. If for some reason he decided he'd try to serve in the military, he probably couldn't pass the physical fitness requirements. He'd have to do a lot better than 3 pushups, 2 sit-ups and a 22-minute mile and a half run. I suspect he's that physically weak and couldn't. However, if he could somehow manage to squeak out the minimums and pass on the other requirements, I doubt he'd get through boot camp. He's a know it all who actually doesn't know much, so he'd think he knows more than his drill instructors and other trainers, which likely would be a ticket home there. But say he got through boot camp by the skin of his teeth and reported to me on a ship, I doubt it would be long before he'd be discharged for General Dumbassery. That's not an actual charge, but there's little doubt he'd be a screw up and be discharged for something.

No offense, Farva, I'm just joking here.
I just think you’re completely FOS is all. As we’ve discussed before, I had my opportunity to be an officer. I elected the Evans Scholarship instead.

My entire immediate family is in law enforcement and/ or ex-military other than my mother. I don’t lack for knowledge about what that entails. I probably know more than you honestly.
 
Based on his history here, he has no interest in serving his country in any capacity, but especially in the military. If for some reason he decided he'd try to serve in the military, he probably couldn't pass the physical fitness requirements. He'd have to do a lot better than 3 pushups, 2 sit-ups and a 22-minute mile and a half run. I suspect he's that physically weak and couldn't. However, if he could somehow manage to squeak out the minimums and pass on the other requirements, I doubt he'd get through boot camp. He's a know it all who actually doesn't know much, so he'd think he knows more than his drill instructors and other trainers, which likely would be a ticket home there. But say he got through boot camp by the skin of his teeth and reported to me on a ship, I doubt it would be long before he'd be discharged for General Dumbassery. That's not an actual charge, but there's little doubt he'd be a screw up and be discharged for something.

No offense, Farva, I'm just joking here.
You took the specifics in a completely different direction than I was thinking… I appreciate that.

I was more wondering, between the time he was screwing up and the time he got discharged where would you locate him on the ship?

Forgive me if I’m showing my ignorance of these matters.
 
I just think you’re completely FOS is all. As we’ve discussed before, I had my opportunity to be an officer. I elected the Evans Scholarship instead.

My entire immediate family is in law enforcement and/ or ex-military other than my mother. I don’t lack for knowledge about what that entails. I probably know more than you honestly.
And out comes that irritating know it all ignorance from you. You just can't help yourself.

How'd you have an opportunity to be an officer? ROTC? Academy? You'd have to get through the program to be commissioned as an officer. I'd bet on washing out.
 
You took the specifics in a completely different direction than I was thinking… I appreciate that.

I was more wondering, between the time he was screwing up and the time he got discharged where would you locate him on the ship?

Forgive me if I’m showing my ignorance of these matters.
He'd be restricted to the ship. We typically don't use the brigs on ships any longer, unless at sea and we had to. If he screwed up seriously enough for incarceration he'd be sent to the base brig or the closest military brig of any service.
 
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I just think you’re completely FOS is all. As we’ve discussed before, I had my opportunity to be an officer. I elected the Evans Scholarship instead.

My entire immediate family is in law enforcement and/ or ex-military other than my mother. I don’t lack for knowledge about what that entails. I probably know more than you honestly.
You took the "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" commercials way too seriously.
 
And out comes that irritating know it all ignorance from you. You just can't help yourself.

How'd you have an opportunity to be an officer? ROTC? Academy? You'd have to get through the program to be commissioned as an officer. I'd bet on washing out.
The opportunity was after my acceptance to West Point. Mark Steven Kirk (who I once caddied for) wrote my letter.

We discussed it in this thread.

 
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The opportunity was after my acceptance to West Point. Mark Steven Kirk (who I once caddied for) wrote my letter.

We discussed it in this thread.

Good for you. I forgot. You could have gone to OCS after graduation from IU and still served as an officer if you didn't wash out there, assuming you graduated.
 
It's just his way of bashing Trump, no matter what happens. If this had been under Biden, he'd have posted something like 'Austin should take responsibility' or some innocuous statement. Then, when anyone notes that he didn't insist on Austin resigning, he can go back and say 'I said they shoudl take responsibility'.

He always insists on punishing Trump/Republicans for the slightest error or f-up. With Democrats, he either doesnt comment or issues some milquetoast comment. Either way, he doesn't harp on it, like he does with Trump/Republicans.

He follows the same pattern time after time and it's obvious his reasons.

IMO the prime difference between Biden and Trump is Biden being a traditional old school president (Reagan, the Bushes, Clinton, Obama). In contrast the new Trump Way replaces the cumbersome old
bureaucratic way of the past.

IMO, Trump in looking back to his previous administration, he feels there were too many of the old guard among his political appointments to make a positive change.

Thus, Trump is more than willing to see his new gang make a few mistakes by not following protocols (as in the recent alleged security breech).
 
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You gotta understand how fast this administration is moving.

You are a lethargic career govee. Who is used to things progressing at the speed of molasses and has never felt a sense of urgency in your life.

So errors made in haste are a novel concept to you.
I think we all understand how fast this administration is moving. I wouldn’t call it an error when it puts lives in danger. This was nothing more than arrogance and incompetence. Not only that. This Addis violating the constitution with everything it’s doing. Thankfully judges appointed by both parties are stopping them. Blackmailing law firms because of who they employed and represented is going to get them slapped down at the Supreme Court. Using the Alien Enemies Act to deport people you say are gang members without providing any evidence or a hearing to prove they aren’t. First, this is not how a democracy works. Second we are not at war. Therefore it’s not constitutional. Everyone agrees that crime red to be removed from our country. But it needs to be done lawfully so that we remain a democracy not a dictatorship. Yesterday it was revealed that they detained for deportation a Russian Harvard researcher for bring non toxic frog embryos into the country for research. She’s been critical of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If she’s sent back to Russia we all know what happens to her.
You’re an ignorant dope. That’s the weakest defense made for this **** up so far. No one else is ignorant enough to make it.

I was career military who worked in fast paced situations, not a "career govee." I was in the Gulf at the start of the first Gulf war on the Middle East Force command ship. I’ve had to deal with shipboard emergencies like a fire, major steam leak, and flooding. I’ve experienced a situation in which Soviet ships suddenly lit our ships up with fire control radar our response was urgent obviously. You don’t know urgency. You evaded service and don’t know jack shit about this, yet you can’t STFU.

Errors made in haste may ass. This was an error made by rookies. Amateurs, who hopefully learned their lesson. Just STFU! Stick with subjects you actually know something about, which should essentially silence you.
f***ing right Aloha. We who have a brain know they will be coming after our free speech rights. Anyone who doesn’t go along with their agenda will be targeted. Take a look at history. In Nazi Germany Hitler purged the judiciary. Sounds a lot like what is being Aron the US right now. Impeach judges, Barr law firms from doing business with the federal government. Meaning their clients who have federal contracts can not use their services. You cult members are just plain stupid. You the kind who would have willingly gone along with the Nazi’s. Just look at the parallels. Can’t wait until they turn on you because these people eat their own.
 
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I just think you’re completely FOS is all. As we’ve discussed before, I had my opportunity to be an officer. I elected the Evans Scholarship instead.

My entire immediate family is in law enforcement and/ or ex-military other than my mother. I don’t lack for knowledge about what that entails. I probably know more than you honestly.
At least you think you do. I like another shining example of the incompetence of this administration that took place this week. 4 US soldiers go missing and neither head of the DOD, the SS, nor the NSA thought it important to brief Orange Jesus. He was asked about it almost 2 days later and he said he hadn’t been briefed. Yeah those are the same guys who used the not secure Signal Chat to discuss a forthcoming military operation. And they’re looking out for us? Hardly.
 
IMO the prime difference between Biden and Trump is Biden being a traditional old school president (Reagan, the Bushes, Clinton, Obama). In contrast the new Trump Way replaces the cumbersome old
bureaucratic way of the past.

IMO, Trump in looking back to his previous administration, he feels there were too many of the old guard among his political appointments to make a positive change.

Thus, Trump is more than willing to see his new gang make a few mistakes by not following protocols (as in the recent alleged security breech).
Yeah positive changes like barring law firms that represent people he doesn’t like or employed attorneys that litigated against him. So curtailing our first amendment right to peacefully protest. And sending alleged gang members to El Salvador whose government has made deals with the alleged gang members to stop the public murders in exchange better treatment for their members held in prison. You no like cell phones, prostitutes and the like. Also, invoking the Alien Enemies Act to justify it. Someone needs to inform Venezuela that we’re at war with them if you’re going to do that. We all want illegal immigrants that are criminals out of the country. But to just say someone is a gang member without presenting any evidence is what dictators do. Leaders of democracies don’t do these things. So those are positive things. Also, my father was a judge and my brother is currently one and my brother was in the service. That doesn’t mean I know about those things. It could however mean that I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night. Look up cults. Cult members don’t believe anything but what the leader tells them. Even if they can see it with their own eyes. You are in a cult you just can’t or won’t admit it.
 
No surprise here:

Hmm, didn't we expose Israeli Intel in Trump's previous administration, Trump told Putin of Intel Israel passed to us?

 
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