Atlantic just released all the texts this a.m. and it is not good

[Mark Milton]

"At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

• “1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
• “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”

“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”

“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”

“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.

“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”

 

[dbmhoosier]

💥. Another giant nothing burger. Likely done intentionally by a leftist staffer. Nothing in there everyone didn't already know.

 

[Cortez88]

COH: “As anyone can see, this is clearly not entitled a ‘war plan’. Thus it is a big nothingburger served up by Democrats and their sponsor media.”

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

So, besides the journalist, who takes the fall? It looks like the current strategy is to just lean into it and act like it was a learning experience for a good man.
Oh, and the journalist is a scumbag.

 

[Mark Milton]

💥. Another giant nothing burger. Likely done intentionally by a leftist staffer. Nothing in there everyone didn't already know.

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Boy are you a prisoner of your ideology.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

💥. Another giant nothing burger. Likely done intentionally by a leftist staffer. Nothing in there everyone didn't already know.

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Your intelligence should be insulted by what these people just assume you will believe.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

💥. Another giant nothing burger. Likely done intentionally by a leftist staffer. Nothing in there everyone didn't already know.

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Wow! Only absolute idiots will buy that spin. Hence, dbm is all in on the spin.

Those were key parts of a strike mission plan. Period. This proves beyond all doubt that none of this belonged in a Signal session. None of it. Incredible.

I've changed my mind - BOTH Hegseth and Waltz need to resign or be fired.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Boy are you a prisoner of your ideology.

Dbm has already been given his opinion by this Twitter Twits and that's that. He won't read the Atlantic article, and nothing will ever change his mind about this story. Well, if the administration changes their spin on it, dbm will go with the new spin, no questions asked. Hell, he's incapable of questioning anything he hears from his Twitter Twits or the President.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Your intelligence should be insulted by what these people just assume you will believe.

What intelligence? He's incapable of independent thought.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

💥. Another giant nothing burger. Likely done intentionally by a leftist staffer. Nothing in there everyone didn't already know.

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Russia is a supporter of the Houthis. You don't think they would have alerted them a strike was coming with 2 hours notice? They were really wanting one specific guy in that first attack, you don't think they could have gotten him out?

If this happened under Biden, you, CO, and others would be demanding impeachment and guillotine with a dull blade.

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-provided-targeting-data-for-houthi-assault-on-global-shipping-eabc2c2b

Trump wasn't even involved and Trump Devotion Syndrome has kicked into overdrive. They screwed up, it isn't hard to say. Certainly the government has some way of handling this sort of communication and I suspect it isn't a private app on personal phones.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Wow! Only absolute idiots will buy that spin. Hence, dbm is all in on the spin.

Those were key parts of a strike mission plan. Period. This proves beyond all doubt that none of this belonged in a Signal session. None of it. Incredible.

I've changed my mind - BOTH Hegseth and Waltz need to resign or be fired.

A couple of questions . . .

Was it a mistake or a violation of protocol to post this material on this encrypted platform?

I haven’t read the texts ( I don’t think they are available) but I’ve read about them. I’ve seen reporting that one of the participants referenced some information on a separate secure IT system intended for classified info. If that is true, does that affect your answer to #1?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

A couple of questions . . .

Was it a mistake or a violation of protocol to post this material on this encrypted platform?

I haven’t read the texts ( I don’t think they are available) but I’ve read about them. I’ve seen reporting that one of the participants referenced some information on a separate secure IT system intended for classified info. If that is true, does that affect your answer to #1?

Total violation. It's not even a question now. The link in the OP gets you to Atlantic's article with the entire chat with screenshots.

This all should have been on SIPR or better in a SCIF in person. Hegseth had to be getting the strike mission details from his SIPR device and then reposting it on Signal. Strike mission plans are always classified, typically Secret and sometimes Top Secret.

While there is no chance anyone will be charged, the law was indeed broken here.

The President should fire Waltz and Hegseth and distance himself from this and to show that he has at least some concern for protecting classified information.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

So, besides the journalist, who takes the fall? It looks like the current strategy is to just lean into it and act like it was a learning experience for a good man.
Oh, and the journalist is a scumbag.

Do we even know how Goldberg’s phone number came up on the invitation to join the chat? Do we know who typed his phone number?

 

[Bill4411]

The entire transcript is supposed to be available on CNN. The Trump team sure doesn’t like Europe excepting Russia of course.

 

[IUINSB]

I had a secret clearance when I was in the Army. Can I be included on any new Mideast battle plans?
I promise not to tell anyone.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Do we even know how Goldberg’s phone number came up on the invitation to join the chat? Do we know who typed his phone number?

Irrelevant.
Do we even know why all phone #'s weren't verified prior to sending out war plans on a cell phone?

Come on VAC, the average liberal on this board is 10x smarter than the run of the mill MAGA.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Do we even know how Goldberg’s phone number came up on the invitation to join the chat? Do we know who typed his phone number?

I wonder how many people are on this group chat. Sounds like Pete and waltz need one of those five things emails

 

[dbmhoosier]

You have nothing other than most likely a leftist staffer that went rogue. Again, nothing. But when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened and 16 service members got killed all because Biden wanted to say he got everyone out before the 20th anniversary of 911 and what was one of the most embarrassing events in American history and no one got fired, you said nothing. When Benghazi happened due to Hillary's recklessness and Americans got killed and no one lost their job you said nothing. But some text messages that state absolutely nothing that we already didn't know you throw a fit. Admit that you have nothing.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Total violation. It's not even a question now. The link in the OP gets you to Atlantic's article with the entire chat with screenshots.

This all should have been on SIPR or better in a SCIF in person. Hegseth had to be getting the strike mission details from his SIPR device and then reposting it on Signal. Strike mission plans are always classified, typically Secret and sometimes Top Secret.

While there is no chance anyone will be charged, the law was indeed broken here.

The President should fire Waltz and Hegseth and distance himself from this and to show that he has at least some concern for protecting classified information.

I don’t think Goldberg published all of it. Only the parts he wanted to write about.

Do you think all of the participants were ignorant of the obvious violation you see? While there was apparently a reference to a separate system, nobody (that we know of) suggested moving the discussion.

Of corse the million dollar question here is exactly how Goldberg got included. That clown is the last person on earth you would think a Republican Administration would make a mistake about.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Do we even know how Goldberg’s phone number came up on the invitation to join the chat? Do we know who typed his phone number?

Almost certainly a leftist staffer working for Waltz. But Dems won't care about finding that person just like they didn't care about identifying the SCOTUS leaker or the pipe bomber. Ask yourself why.

 

[Mark Milton]

I had a secret clearance when I was in the Army. Can I be included on any new Mideast battle plans?
I promise not to tell anyone.

I like to pull out my old FBI badge

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I don’t think Goldberg published all of it. Only the parts he wanted to write about.

Do you think all of the participants were ignorant of the obvious violation you see? While there was apparently a reference to a separate system, nobody (that we know of) suggested moving the discussion.

Of corse the million dollar question here is exactly how Goldberg got included. That clown is the last person on earth you would think a Republican Administration would make a mistake about.

No, the real million dollar question is, "WTF"?
I hope people in this joke of an administration are asking it behind the scenes.

 

[IUINSB]

You have nothing other than most likely a leftist staffer that went rogue. Again, nothing. But when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened and 16 service members got killed all because Biden wanted to say he got everyone out before the 20th anniversary of 911 and what was one of the most embarrassing events in American history and no one got fired, you said nothing. When Benghazi happened due to Hillary's recklessness and Americans got killed and no one lost their job you said nothing. But some text messages that state absolutely nothing that we already didn't know you throw a fit. Admit that you have nothing.

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F@cking dolt.

Almost certainly a leftist staffer working for Waltz. But Dems won't care about finding that person just like they didn't care about identifying the SCOTUS leaker or the pipe bomber. Ask yourself why.

Idiot.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Do we even know how Goldberg’s phone number came up on the invitation to join the chat? Do we know who typed his phone number?

Had to be in Waltz' contacts since he was administrator of the meeting and set it up. No surprise that the National Security Advisor would have his number. He probably has the numbers of every major journalist that writes about national security issues. Goldberg does.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Almost certainly a leftist staffer working for Waltz. But Dems won't care about finding that person just like they didn't care about identifying the SCOTUS leaker or the pipe bomber. Ask yourself why.

Any non twatter proof of that?

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

The entire transcript is supposed to be available on CNN. The Trump team sure doesn’t like Europe excepting Russia of course.

Here it is: https://archive.is/vnPIk

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Had to be in Waltz' contacts since he was administrator of the meeting and set it up. No surprise that the National Security Advisor would have his number. He probably has the numbers of every major journalist that writes about national security issues. Goldberg does.

It's amazing that MAGAs, even when faced with the fact that we can smell the bullshit and are calling them on it, will still try to hide it with all sorts of distractions.
It's not how the number got in his contacts...WGAFF? It's the FACT that he was included in a chat about war plans.
Anything else is an obvious attempt to muddy the waters. It's what Trump (and by proxy, his MAGA army) does.

 

[IUINSB]

Best part of this is all the brave congressional republicans demanding answers/accountability.

 

[swman]

COH: “As anyone can see, this is clearly not entitled a ‘war plan’. Thus it is a big nothingburger served up by Democrats and their sponsor media.”

Hey just for reference. You koolaid drinkers might want to google Hegsheth, Rubio and Waltz comments on Hillary’s unsecured server which by the way had no classified info on it. Great stuff for hypocrisy lovers. Falling all over themselves saying she should be prosecuted when not a single one of the Signals ChT group has even apologized to the families of service members whose lives could have been put in danger. And the icing on the cake is that Witkoff was in Moscow when he was on the chat and we know the Russians were likely privy. But yeah a nothing burger.
Amazing how you folks in the cult will twist yourselves into pretzels to say nothing to see here. If an enlisted soldier had done this they immediately would have been court martialed and sent to Leavenworth.
Additionally, if they programmed the app to disappear, they broke the law regarding the Presidential Records Act. Even the National Review a very conservative publication is slamming them.
Interesting how when the news broke on Monday the Trump propaganda network’s(Fox) lead on the 6 pm broadcast was about the president’s portrait in the Colorado statehouse. In fact their 3 lead stories didn’t even mention the Signal Chat scandal. If a democrat administration did this exact thing, republicans would be calling for blood and we all know that’s fact whether you’ll admit it.
On another note. Speaker Johnson yesterday floated the idea of getting rid of some federal courts. I’d bet that they’d be the ones that have had ruled against the administration recently. Yep democracy at its finest. Correction. Dictatorship at its finest.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

You have nothing other than most likely a leftist staffer that went rogue. Again, nothing. But when the Afghanistan withdrawal happened and 16 service members got killed all because Biden wanted to say he got everyone out before the 20th anniversary of 911 and what was one of the most embarrassing events in American history and no one got fired, you said nothing. When Benghazi happened due to Hillary's recklessness and Americans got killed and no one lost their job you said nothing. But some text messages that state absolutely nothing that we already didn't know you throw a fit. Admit that you have nothing.

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Afghanistan withdrawal was a debacle and entirely irrelevant to this incident. As is 9/11 and Benghazi. You have nothing and the Twitter Twit you just linked is another total idiot. I took a look at his bio as far as I could find one and he doesn't have any national security experience at all. The only reason you'd link him is because you happen to like what he says. You have nothing.

 

[Mark Milton]

I wonder how many people are on this group chat. Sounds like Pete and waltz need one of those five things emails

They have that one already. Kash, Pete, Waltz, Bongino and Gaetz have their "WASHINGTON MILF RIDERS" chat.

 

[dbmhoosier]

Oops

 

[mcmurtry66]

Almost certainly a leftist staffer working for Waltz. But Dems won't care about finding that person just like they didn't care about identifying the SCOTUS leaker or the pipe bomber. Ask yourself why.

Ask yourself what carelessness allowed him to get on the chat. There are no other questions

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

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Any post that mentions Obama, Clinton, or Biden is an attempt at distraction.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

I don’t think Goldberg published all of it. Only the parts he wanted to write about.

Do you think all of the participants were ignorant of the obvious violation you see? While there was apparently a reference to a separate system, nobody (that we know of) suggested moving the discussion.

Of corse the million dollar question here is exactly how Goldberg got included. That clown is the last person on earth you would think a Republican Administration would make a mistake about.

They're ignorant or for some strange reason thought it was OK to discuss mission strike details on Signal. Hegseth introduced the information that absolutely isn't authorized on Signal and then Waltz introduced near real time intelligence. For all we know there was collective gasp when Hegseth started posting mission strike details and they thought, "I sure hope no one ever knows we ****ed up big time here."

I don't think there's a big mystery about Goldberg. The National Security Advisor probably has the number of every major journalist that covers national security stories in his contacts. Regardless of how he got there, it doesn't change the fact that what was discussed shouldn't have been discussed on Signal. Goldberg did the right thing with the information - protected it until after the strike was over which confirmed it.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

The fact they were using signal after a warning went out sure doesn't surprise me.

Idiots. We have actual idiots in charge.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Almost certainly a leftist staffer working for Waltz. But Dems won't care about finding that person just like they didn't care about identifying the SCOTUS leaker or the pipe bomber. Ask yourself why.

Super stupid speculation. No surprise you're doing it.

 

[crazed_hoosier2]

"At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

• “1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
• “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”

“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”

“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”

“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”

“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.

“Godspeed to our Warriors.”

Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”

At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.

Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”

At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”

I don't get the "it's not good" part. Isn't this kind of what we would have expected the exchanges to be?

It's what I expected, anyway.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Hey just for reference. You koolaid drinkers might want to google Hegsheth, Rubio and Waltz comments on Hillary’s unsecured server which by the way had no classified info on it. Great stuff for hypocrisy lovers. Falling all over themselves saying she should be prosecuted when not a single one of the Signals ChT group has even apologized to the families of service members whose lives could have been put in danger. And the icing on the cake is that Witkoff was in Moscow when he was on the chat and we know the Russians were likely privy. But yeah a nothing burger.
Amazing how you folks in the cult will twist yourselves into pretzels to say nothing to see here. If an enlisted soldier had done this they immediately would have been court martialed and sent to Leavenworth.
Additionally, if they programmed the app to disappear, they broke the law regarding the Presidential Records Act. Even the National Review a very conservative publication is slamming them.
Interesting how when the news broke on Monday the Trump propaganda network’s(Fox) lead on the 6 pm broadcast was about the president’s portrait in the Colorado statehouse. In fact their 3 lead stories didn’t even mention the Signal Chat scandal. If a democrat administration did this exact thing, republicans would be calling for blood and we all know that’s fact whether you’ll admit it.
On another note. Speaker Johnson yesterday floated the idea of getting rid of some federal courts. I’d bet that they’d be the ones that have had ruled against the administration recently. Yep democracy at its finest. Correction. Dictatorship at its finest.

What? It's a confirmed fact that Hillary's unauthorized and unsecured server had classified information on it. Did you mean to say, "had classified info on it."?

 

[Mark Milton]

I don't get the "it's not good" part. Isn't this kind of what we would have expected the exchanges to be?

It's what I expected, anyway.

The general who testified yesterday said that he would have expected that such information such as the above would be classified.

The participants in the hearing yesterday said there was no classified information. Hegs told us 2 days ago that that it was another made up story.

It is not good good because it happened and shouldn't have happened in the format in which it was and who was on the chat. It is not good because at least 4 people lied about it. Whether anyone had an expectation of it existing shouldn't alter the conclusion