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Are we just numb to news about Trump corruption, even convictions?

outside shooter said:
Trump confesses on the Stormy payout.

The litany of excuses:
1) it was a long time ago, the statute of limitations ran out
2) I just did what my lawyers told me to do.
3) It was a terrible plague
4) LOCUSTS!


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He did a swell job of throwing the lawyer under the bus.

He loves when other people take the fall for him.
 
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IU_Hickory said:
He did a swell job of throwing the lawyer under the bus.

He loves when other people take the fall for him.
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He does that constantly. One principle of leadership is that you credit your people for your unit's accomplishments and personally take the blame when the unit fails or fails to perform as well as it should. Trump does the opposite of that. He is not a leader. He's me me me for anything good and it him him him for anything bad.

Aloha and I talked about this over a couple of rye whiskeys recently. We both think Trump would fail the leadership ROTC courses. I don't think he would have lasted through half a semester of ROTC even without bone spurs! 😀
 
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MrBing said:
He does that constantly. One principle of leadership is that you credit your people for your unit's accomplishments and personally take the blame when the unit fails or fails to perform as well as it should. Trump does the opposite of that. He is not a leader. He's me me me for anything good and it him him him for anything bad.

Aloha and I talked about this over a couple of rye whiskeys recently. We both think Trump would fail the leadership ROTC courses. I don't think he would have lasted through half a semester of ROTC even without bone spurs! 😀
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I’ve said pretty much exactly the same here as well. He’s a textbook example for poor leadership.

In the spirit bipartisan criticism, I’ll add that HRC was a textbook example of poor leadership for her “do as I say, not as I do” performance as SecState. Sadly, we had the two as our extraordinarily poor choices in 2016.
 
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MrBing said:
He does that constantly. One principle of leadership is that you credit your people for your unit's accomplishments and personally take the blame when the unit fails or fails to perform as well as it should. Trump does the opposite of that. He is not a leader. He's me me me for anything good and it him him him for anything bad.

Aloha and I talked about this over a couple of rye whiskeys recently. We both think Trump would fail the leadership ROTC courses. I don't think he would have lasted through half a semester of ROTC even without bone spurs! 😀
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Would Biden have passed leadership ROTC courses? Or would his asthma handicapped him too much.

😂

EDIT: My roommate in Germany was one of the Army's biggest slackers. He got out, came to IU, enrolled in ROTC courses, and eventually became a Colonel. Let's not pretend that you have to be some kind of superman to pass ROTC. It helps to be a kiss-ass, too, which he was.
 
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outside shooter said:
I mean, just this week we have had the CFO of the Trump Organization sent to Riker's Island for his role in a decade-long tax fraud scheme. Not one peep here.

Today we have the Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud. Still not one peep here.

This ought to be more discussed than the Santos lies, the mishandled documents, and the day-to-day stupidity of politicians on both sides of the aisle. But.... crickets. I guess that will continue as the Georgia election fixing scheme becomes clarified. Then when indictments come in for Jan 6th for administration members.

Are we just comfortable with the accepted facts around rampant and unprecedented corruption at the highest level?
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Exactly how I feel about the Biden crime family too.
 
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dbmhoosier said:
Holy shlit! Someone contact the nuthouse and let them know they have a runaway.

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The real story here, which Posobiec and the other clown are trying to deflect from is that a Special Grand Jury made up of people who knew nothing about Trump's Big Lie, and had never heard the the tape of his phone call to Raffensberger were so blown away by hearing it the first time that they were shocked to discover a US President had behaved in that manner...

On top of that, they spent hundreds of hours listening to testimony and pouring thru mountains of evidence and came away convinced that multiple pro-Trump witnesses had blatantly lied to them. They are a Special Grand Jury, so they have no power to indict but rather can make recomendations to the Prosecuting Attny/DA who has the ultimate decision whether to indict or not. It's pretty obvious multiple indictments will be handed down in this case...

Ultimately Trump will likely be charged with violating election law, obstruction, possibly bribery and multiple of his cronies will likely face charges of obstruction and/or perjury as well.No idea what sort of ridiculous point the idiot tweets you linked to are trying to claim, since the jury has already made their decisions and as of yet no one has been indicted. Maybe you can explain your point in posting it, because it seems you may not understand the distinction between Grand Jury procedures opposed to the way a Special Grand Jury specific and unique to GA operates...
 
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Exactly how I feel about the Biden crime family too.
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That’s funny. There is very little evidence in Joe Biden’s long history of breaking the law. There is much evidence that Trump has been breaking the laws for decades in NYC .
 
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outside shooter said:
I mean, just this week we have had the CFO of the Trump Organization sent to Riker's Island for his role in a decade-long tax fraud scheme. Not one peep here.

Today we have the Trump Org. fined $1.6 million after conviction for 17 felonies, including tax fraud. Still not one peep here.

This ought to be more discussed than the Santos lies, the mishandled documents, and the day-to-day stupidity of politicians on both sides of the aisle. But.... crickets. I guess that will continue as the Georgia election fixing scheme becomes clarified. Then when indictments come in for Jan 6th for administration members.

Are we just comfortable with the accepted facts around rampant and unprecedented corruption at the highest level?
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If its not about duties criminally performed while part of government, I don't care. Not anymore.

I have enough trouble keeping up with partisan assholes using government as their personal political assault weapon.

If some appointee was a criminal before or after his/her service, so be it. I gave up on decent people getting into politics after Ted Kennedy was allowed to bork Bork.

Hell, even if they cheat on. taxes while in government, I gotta move it to the bottom of the long list of office or position holders abusing their government powerrs.

Plus I gotta try and avoid, er, keep up with the one-sided posting and whining here - where guys like you only care about the OTHER sides crimes.
 
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zeke4ahs said:
That’s funny. There is very little evidence in Joe Biden’s long history of breaking the law. There is much evidence that Trump has been breaking the laws for decades in NYC .
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When Biden had to drop out of the race for the 1988 Presidential campaign for plagiarism, were you against it?

Or is all relative? Is plagiarism that bounces him against a bunch of Democrats OK, but against a Republican, it can be overlooked?

I mean you people dumped Pat Schroeder (a woman), Bill Bradley (who I supported), Bill Clinton (still chasing Arkansas women who's live's were eventually destroyed by Democrats "always believing the woman"), Sam Nunn, Mario Cuomo, Lee Iacocca, Ted "The Drowner" Kennedy, Lloyd Bentsen, David Duke (yes, THAT David Duke, who ran as a Democrat), Gary "Follow Me" Hart, Dick Gephardt, Paul Simon, Al Gore (too busy inventing the internet), and Jesse "Token" Jackson, to offer up Michael "Flowers Die From Boredom As I Walk By" Dukakis.

Asking for a friend..
 
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zeke4ahs said:
That’s funny. There is very little evidence in Joe Biden’s long history of breaking the law. There is much evidence that Trump has been breaking the laws for decades in NYC .
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Is anyone concerned with the $600,000.00 Biden has stolen from the United States the past 3 years? I never see this being brought up and it seems pretty significant if you ask me.
 
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TDHoosier said:
Is anyone concerned with the $600,000.00 Biden has stolen from the United States the past 3 years? I never see this being brought up and it seems pretty significant if you ask me.
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45 would've donated his salary and used his own money to buy Big Macs for those in need. The real champion of the people.

 
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dbmhoosier said:
45 would've donated his salary and used his own money to buy Big Macs for those in need. The real champion of the people.

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Triumph the insult dog had a special on the 2016 election that was one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. The one scene was trump was going to visit the hood in Detroit. So all these people are lined up on the sidewalk waiting for him to drive by and up pulls a tank. Trump is shouting with a blow horn from inside a tank. The camera pans to this one black guy in the crowd as he’s making the connection and he busts out laughing. I almost peed myself when he started laughing.

The whole show is great
 
cosmickid said:
The real story here, which Posobiec and the other clown are trying to deflect from is that a Special Grand Jury made up of people who knew nothing about Trump's Big Lie, and had never heard the the tape of his phone call to Raffensberger were so blown away by hearing it the first time that they were shocked to discover a US President had behaved in that manner...

On top of that, they spent hundreds of hours listening to testimony and pouring thru mountains of evidence and came away convinced that multiple pro-Trump witnesses had blatantly lied to them. They are a Special Grand Jury, so they have no power to indict but rather can make recomendations to the Prosecuting Attny/DA who has the ultimate decision whether to indict or not. It's pretty obvious multiple indictments will be handed down in this case...

Ultimately Trump will likely be charged with violating election law, obstruction, possibly bribery and multiple of his cronies will likely face charges of obstruction and/or perjury as well.No idea what sort of ridiculous point the idiot tweets you linked to are trying to claim, since the jury has already made their decisions and as of yet no one has been indicted. Maybe you can explain your point in posting it, because it seems you may not understand the distinction between Grand Jury procedures opposed to the way a Special Grand Jury specific and unique to GA operates...
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I'm sure the giddiness of the MAGA crowd and the pro-Trump media today is predicated on the belief that the forewoman's statements to the media will somehow taint the indictments to follow, resulting in a dismissal. They won't. As you pointed out, she served on the Special Grand Jury. The Special Grand Jury simply makes recommendations. She won't be sitting on the grand jury that actually returns indictments. Also, I'm not aware of anything substantive that she offered, other than stating that they recommended indictments for more than a dozen individuals, and that the call with Raffensperger wasn't the only recorded phone call featuring Trump that the Special Grand Jury heard. She didn't specify people who are likely to be charged or identify possible charges.

Speaking of charges, I think that some or all of what you've mentioned will be included in the charges that Willis brings against Trump. In addition, RICO charges are a strong possibility, particularly because of the way the statute is worded in Georgia and because Willis' office has brought racketeering charges against others. Trump's misconduct clearly falls within the scope of Georgia's RICO statute.

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Opinion: Trump’s case seems to fit RICO statute

As an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York in 1981, I was the first prosecutor to use the federal RICO statute (the Racketeering and Corrupt Organizations Act) to prosecute a Mafia Boss. I was also the first federal prosecutor to charge traditional white-collar defendants...
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dbmhoosier said:
You mad?

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Hardly a bold prediction but I said in another thread that, like everything else, he would make this visit mostly about him. Sure enough, he came with a bunch of MAGA hats and turned it into a campaign stop. He even brought up how he was the reason that Big Ten football (he knows his audience - - it's Ohio, close to the PA border) returned during the first year of the pandemic. (He hasn't yet taken credit for the other P5 conferences also resuming play in 2020).

I haven't read anywhere else that he picked up the tab for lunch at McDonald's but, if he did, that's some huge gesture of generosity? $1500, tops? That's like 10 or 15 bucks for anyone else. And I'd bet my last buck that an aide, not Trump, took out a credit card. Maybe he'll reimburse whoever actually paid from whatever is left in the Stormy Daniels/Karen McDougal Hush Money Fund.

Finally, he said something today that is probably his most truthful statement ever: "I probably know this [McDonald's] menu better than anybody."
 
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cosmickid said:
The real story here, which Posobiec and the other clown are trying to deflect from is that a Special Grand Jury made up of people who knew nothing about Trump's Big Lie, and had never heard the the tape of his phone call to Raffensberger were so blown away by hearing it the first time that they were shocked to discover a US President had behaved in that manner...

On top of that, they spent hundreds of hours listening to testimony and pouring thru mountains of evidence and came away convinced that multiple pro-Trump witnesses had blatantly lied to them. They are a Special Grand Jury, so they have no power to indict but rather can make recomendations to the Prosecuting Attny/DA who has the ultimate decision whether to indict or not. It's pretty obvious multiple indictments will be handed down in this case...

Ultimately Trump will likely be charged with violating election law, obstruction, possibly bribery and multiple of his cronies will likely face charges of obstruction and/or perjury as well.No idea what sort of ridiculous point the idiot tweets you linked to are trying to claim, since the jury has already made their decisions and as of yet no one has been indicted. Maybe you can explain your point in posting it, because it seems you may not understand the distinction between Grand Jury procedures opposed to the way a Special Grand Jury specific and unique to GA operates..."
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Here is some insight into the Special Grand Jury, who had no idea what type of case they would be dealing with until the very last minute...

They were led down a staircase into a garage beneath a downtown Atlanta courthouse, where officers with big guns were waiting. From there, they were ushered into vans with heavily tinted windows and driven to their cars under police escort.

For Emily Kohrs, these were the moments last May when she realized she wasn’t participating in just any grand jury.

“That was the first indication that this was a big freaking deal,” Kohrs told The Associated Press.

The 30-year-old Fulton County resident who was between jobs suddenly found herself at the center of one of the nation’s most significant legal proceedings. She would become foreperson of the special grand jury selected to investigate whether then-President Donald Trump and his Republican associates illegally meddled in Georgia’s 2020 presidential election. The case has emerged as one of Trump’s most glaring legal vulnerabilities as he mounts a third presidential campaign, in part because he was recorded asking state election officials to “find 11,780 votes” for him."

"For the next eight months, Kohrs and her fellow jurors would hear testimony from 75 witnesses, ranging from some of Trump’s most prominent allies to local election workers. Portions of the panel’s final report released last Thursday said jurors believed that “one or more witnesses” committed perjury and urged local prosecutors to bring charges. The report’s recommendations for charges on other issues, including potential attempts to influence the election, remain secret for now.

The AP identified Kohrs after her name was included on subpoenas obtained through open records requests. Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney advised Kohrs and other jurors on what they could and could not share publicly, including in interviews with the news media.

During a lengthy recent interview, Kohrs complied with the judge’s instructions not to discuss details related to the jury’s deliberations. She also declined to talk about unpublished portions of the panel’s final report."

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Inside the Trump grand jury that probed election meddling

ATLANTA (AP) — They were led down a staircase into a garage beneath a downtown Atlanta courthouse, where officers with big guns were waiting. From there, they were ushered into vans with heavily tinted windows and driven to their cars under police escort.
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The MAGAs will attempt to paint this woman as some sort of idealogue,anti- Trumper. But she has never even voted, including both 2016 and 2020. And she made a special point of shaking Rudy's hand during one of the breaks in the proceedings, likely owing to her sort of "hero worship" dating back to 9-11 when he was actually an admirable character and earned the name "America's Mayor"...
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
I have one that a vendor gave me. When my daughter is being a brat I threaten to pick her up from school in it
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If your kid was in Wyoming or the Dakotas or Florida or a bunch of states in the south she'd probably want you to wear it.
 
TDHoosier said:
Is anyone concerned with the $600,000.00 Biden has stolen from the United States the past 3 years? I never see this being brought up and it seems pretty significant if you ask me.
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WTH are you talking about? What $600,000 are you referencing? Can you provide a reputable link. You might start with Open Secrets and do a search for Biden, as they track financial improprieties of politicians in general and break them up by name,not Political Party...

Which of course brings us up to the files they have collected on Trump. This page is interesting as it lists all of the various entities connected to Trump, his campaign or subsets like the RNC or Team Herschel and tracks the amounts of donors funds they have spent at Trump owned properties- hotels, Casinos, country clubs like MAL and Bedminster etc...

www.opensecrets.org

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.
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The key is "Trump owned properties" because guess where $$$$ spent at those clubs eventually ends up? In Donnie's pocket...

So while you throw out unsubstantiated wild claims of Biden "stealing" $600,000, we know that groups like "Donald J Trump for President", the RNC, and something called Trump Victory spent sums of $12,663,798, and $144,489 and $594,963 (respectively) at TRUMP PROPERTIES in 2016 alone.

The webpage provides a selector so you can investigate totals for each year or cumulative groupings...I think over the course of Trump's single term, Donald J Trump for President spent north of $12 MILLION at Trump PropertiesAnd you're worried about Biden supposedly "stealing" $600,000.

Even if I humored you and accepted your claim sans any reputable evidence, some group called Trump Victory spent $4,047,439 themselves over the course of Trump's Presidency. Do you think the people who sent $25 or $50 checks for Trump's re-election efforts intended for that money to go directly into Trump's pockets? Paying for overpriced meals,rounds of golf and hotel stays at Trump properties? No wonder his campaign had problems paying expenses and habitually stiffed rally towns over arena fees and security costs...

So go ahead and do Biden. It's opensecrets.org
 
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cosmickid said:
WTH are you talking about? What $600,000 are you referencing? Can you provide a reputable link. You might start with Open Secrets and do a search for Biden, as they track financial improprieties of politicians in general and break them up by name,not Political Party...

Which of course brings us up to the files they have collected on Trump. This page is interesting as it lists all of the various entities connected to Trump, his campaign or subsets like the RNC or Team Herschel and tracks the amounts of donors funds they have spent at Trump owned properties- hotels, Casinos, country clubs like MAL and Bedminster etc...

www.opensecrets.org

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org

The key is "Trump owned properties" because guess where $$$$ spent at those clubs eventually ends up? In Donnie's pocket...

So while you throw out unsubstantiated wild claims of Biden "stealing" $600,000, we know that groups like "Donald J Trump for President", the RNC, and something called Trump Victory spent sums of $12,663,798, and $144,489 and $594,963 (respectively) at TRUMP PROPERTIES in 2016 alone.

The webpage provides a selector so you can investigate totals for each year or cumulative groupings...I think over the course of Trump's single term, Donald J Trump for President spent north of $12 MILLION at Trump PropertiesAnd you're worried about Biden supposedly "stealing" $600,000.

Even if I humored you and accepted your claim sans any reputable evidence, some group called Trump Victory spent $4,047,439 themselves over the course of Trump's Presidency. Do you think the people who sent $25 or $50 checks for Trump's re-election efforts intended for that money to go directly into Trump's pockets? Paying for overpriced meals,rounds of golf and hotel stays at Trump properties? No wonder his campaign had problems paying expenses and habitually stiffed rally towns over arena fees and security costs...

So go ahead and do Biden. It's opensecrets.org
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As usual right over the top of your head.

Sit back and try thinking for a change instead of writing encylopedia entries about everything that you just cut and paste anyway.
 
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WTH are you talking about? What $600,000 are you referencing? Can you provide a reputable link. You might start with Open Secrets and do a search for Biden, as they track financial improprieties of politicians in general and break them up by name,not Political Party...

Which of course brings us up to the files they have collected on Trump. This page is interesting as it lists all of the various entities connected to Trump, his campaign or subsets like the RNC or Team Herschel and tracks the amounts of donors funds they have spent at Trump owned properties- hotels, Casinos, country clubs like MAL and Bedminster etc...

www.opensecrets.org

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org

The key is "Trump owned properties" because guess where $$$$ spent at those clubs eventually ends up? In Donnie's pocket...

So while you throw out unsubstantiated wild claims of Biden "stealing" $600,000, we know that groups like "Donald J Trump for President", the RNC, and something called Trump Victory spent sums of $12,663,798, and $144,489 and $594,963 (respectively) at TRUMP PROPERTIES in 2016 alone.

The webpage provides a selector so you can investigate totals for each year or cumulative groupings...I think over the course of Trump's single term, Donald J Trump for President spent north of $12 MILLION at Trump PropertiesAnd you're worried about Biden supposedly "stealing" $600,000.

Even if I humored you and accepted your claim sans any reputable evidence, some group called Trump Victory spent $4,047,439 themselves over the course of Trump's Presidency. Do you think the people who sent $25 or $50 checks for Trump's re-election efforts intended for that money to go directly into Trump's pockets? Paying for overpriced meals,rounds of golf and hotel stays at Trump properties? No wonder his campaign had problems paying expenses and habitually stiffed rally towns over arena fees and security costs...

So go ahead and do Biden. It's opensecrets.org
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I’d say he’s referring to his salary.
 
Crayfish57 said:
As usual right over the top of your head.

Sit back and try thinking for a change instead of writing encylopedia entries about everything that you just cut and paste anyway.
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I think I've figured out his posting (and mentality). He stands to close to the microwave, and gets a shock. When he wakes up, he's written a novel.
 
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Can't stand Trump but also disagree with Federal taxes. I could care less about some tax fraud against the Federal govt. unless the theft the Fed govt committed stealing my money is being reimbursed.
 
jsig said:
Can't stand Trump but also disagree with Federal taxes. I could care less about some tax fraud against the Federal govt. unless the theft the Fed govt committed stealing my money is being reimbursed.
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Crypto. Dogcoin. Bit. #4eva.
 
cosmickid said:
WTH are you talking about? What $600,000 are you referencing? Can you provide a reputable link. You might start with Open Secrets and do a search for Biden, as they track financial improprieties of politicians in general and break them up by name,not Political Party...

Which of course brings us up to the files they have collected on Trump. This page is interesting as it lists all of the various entities connected to Trump, his campaign or subsets like the RNC or Team Herschel and tracks the amounts of donors funds they have spent at Trump owned properties- hotels, Casinos, country clubs like MAL and Bedminster etc...

www.opensecrets.org

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.
www.opensecrets.org www.opensecrets.org

The key is "Trump owned properties" because guess where $$$$ spent at those clubs eventually ends up? In Donnie's pocket...

So while you throw out unsubstantiated wild claims of Biden "stealing" $600,000, we know that groups like "Donald J Trump for President", the RNC, and something called Trump Victory spent sums of $12,663,798, and $144,489 and $594,963 (respectively) at TRUMP PROPERTIES in 2016 alone.

The webpage provides a selector so you can investigate totals for each year or cumulative groupings...I think over the course of Trump's single term, Donald J Trump for President spent north of $12 MILLION at Trump PropertiesAnd you're worried about Biden supposedly "stealing" $600,000.

Even if I humored you and accepted your claim sans any reputable evidence, some group called Trump Victory spent $4,047,439 themselves over the course of Trump's Presidency. Do you think the people who sent $25 or $50 checks for Trump's re-election efforts intended for that money to go directly into Trump's pockets? Paying for overpriced meals,rounds of golf and hotel stays at Trump properties? No wonder his campaign had problems paying expenses and habitually stiffed rally towns over arena fees and security costs...

So go ahead and do Biden. It's opensecrets.org
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First off does anyone ever read all this you put out? You my friend have way to much time on your hands. Listen closely step away from the keyboard when you get to paragraph 20 of one of your posts.

Ask a friend about the 600k it is right in front of your nose. :)
 
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