Archie would be long gone if IU cared and wanted to be an elite program. We are mediocre at best. We are Minnesota of the old days with Clem Haskins etc
Archie would be fired if this were Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina
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Most of us thought Archie was the guy. Looks like he's not even close to being THE GUY. Is there anyone out there who would be?
If this was Duke, Ky or North Carolina Archie would never have been hired.
Really.... an if this is one of those places. They’d write a check to back it. Indiana is not will not can not with current pres.
Miller will get 5 years. He will get the job done.
well, we’re not Carolina, Duke, or Kentucky... so what’s the point?
But its not and thats we we are a nothing program. Just surprised we keep paying coaches 3.5 milliion for results we could get paying 1 milllion. The ad.mins need to quit pretending they want to be elite.
I didnt. It was an ok hire but i wasnt that excited about it. I wanted mack or marshall.
Minimum > Crean | Max = Tubby
Of course I hope for more. Just don’t see Knight caliber
You can’t make UNC comparisons. They’ve won the title recently. When Archie wins and then has an off year , we’ll take that. We are light years away from them.
He’d have to have a helluva year next year to get a 5th. Keep in mind that he’ll be answering to somebody who didn’t hire him.
Personally, I don’t think he’s performed well enough to get a 4th year. The only counter-arguments I ever hear to that aren’t that he actually has performed well...but that it would cost too much, or we’d get a reputation as a dead-end job that nobody would want to take because we didn’t give Archie more than 3 years. There aren’t too many people who will actually try to defend the product on the floor...because it’s indefensible. I doubt that Archie would even try to defend it, if he were ever asked to.
Its well beyond that, its not even in Clem;s realm .. didn't he take them to F4 with Bobby Jackson, I don't think we can expect that ROI soon, it's just terrible and sorry to say, he needs to be fired, and we move on
I dont see anything changing next year. We may be a little better. I think we have seen all we need to see from archie but he likely gets a last lame duck season.
Like Coach K was a slam dunk hire at Duke at the time? Or even Bob Knight? Think about what you say before you type stupid stuff.
To put it lay terms, he's not even our Matt Dougherty, he just sucks and will continue to suck until some people decide to not pay him 3.5M$ for sucking. I hope he just resigns, next year is just more tarnish on everything, but I wouldn't doubt the prick would take advantage, just stupid. They should fir him now!
Well, Knight did go to the Final Four in '73, his second year. If it weren't for Bill Walton and that 50/50 call ....
You mean a year beyond another lackluster season next year? I doubt that.
But if it does play out that way, then we’ll have immediate cause to assume that the new AD isn’t the guy we’re looking for.
Really, I've had it. I'm just tired of your defense of Archie, and obviously not everybody here is his girlfriend. Is the product you see on court defensible for 3.5M$. I and most of us see that and think we'd rather move on, so shove it.
Well, I don’t think Archie’s a prick and I wouldn’t blame him for not resigning with time left on his contract. Almost nobody does that in big dollar sports. He’s just not a very good basketball coach.
Knight went to the Final Four in his second year at IU starting two true freshmen guards. You should learn something about IU basketball history if you want to try and discuss it.
Doesn't average include making the tournament? Being one of the best 68 teams in CBB isn't really that high of a standard.
Yes the great Crean hypothesis, I guess why that orange, f'face failed to get it done after we loaded up trucks of cash for him. Please, let's not go an another 9 year voyage of shit. The funny thing is Crean was actually doing well selling snake oil, Archie isn't
Zero chance he's not here 5 years. Zilch. Not sure what planet some of you are living on, but that just isn't happening. After his 5th year, all bets are off.
Odds are immeasurably higher that he's the coach for 10+ years than it is that he's canned after 4 years. Besides they will make the tourney this season, most likely... which is what you said is all that matters.
Archie has put himself in a must perform situation. It’s year three, and they are 5-6 in the conference with a tough slate of nine games remaining. I think he needs four of the next nine to make the tournament. If he doesn’t, next year he has to have a very good season (3rd) and tournament run (sweet 16) to get a contract extension. I’m neither for or against Archie at this point. The results are on him.
You need a lobotomy. Only hope for you.
Why don't you explain to everyone again how we play the same defense as Syracuse.
True. We know Knight was a great coach and we also know that he had good players to work with from the start and he was able to build on that and keep it going for almost 30 years. We all have that memory. However, he had a resume similar to Miller when he was hired. That's the point.
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Yes, we need at least four more wins and I'd bet money on getting at least four. That will get them in the tournament this year. Next year they'll get in the tournament again and he won't be fired. However, he won't get an extension unless they do really well next year like you say. He still has time on his contract regardless.
Knight’s new presence was felt almost immediately at IU..within the first game or two and continued for 29 years. It was in the intensity of the defense and the disciplined motion offense. Fans liked that players were being held accountable for their actions, a notable change from the norm. It created a buzz among the alumni, spread throughout the nation and hungry for a winning team to make us all Indiana basketball proud. It didn’t hurt either that Bob was a well spoken, intelligent man, glib in thought. He was an attractive man in facial appearance, youthful, and of tall stature...the makings of a great leader, destined for the coaching HOF. Don’t expect another one like him any time soon. The IU administration drove him away. IU basketball has yet to recover its coaching edge.
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That right there is precisely what I’m talking about. Knight changed the program’s culture. It was a lot more than just “he’s a better coach than Lou Watson.”
We need a cultural change. And I think that the central theme of it needs to be accountability — of the coaches from the admins, of the players from the coaches.
I don’t think the program’s staunchest defender could say with a straight face that we currently have a culture of accountability. Guys continue to do the same things that hurt us and.....well, and nothing. They continue to do the same things that hurt us in the next game, too. And Archie — well, he shall feel no heat....lest you’re a “hater.”
I disagree. I think he’s safe for at least two more years, especially if he’s able to finish one of those years in the top half of the conference and make the NCAA tournament. That would be considered more than acceptable by the University and many fans and worthy of retention, at the very least.
And that is why we have sucked and will continue to suck...even once Archie is gone. That is precisely the attitude that needs to be overcome.
No accountability for results. None.
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