Because his usage went way up. But Johnson wasn't near the efficient player he once was when Blackmon and Yogi were his back court mates. In other words, he struggled as a lead guard.
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Because his usage went way up. But Johnson wasn't near the efficient player he once was when Blackmon and Yogi were his back court mates. In other words, he struggled as a lead guard.
No sh#t? You mean it's harder to be the best player than a role player on a team? When did you come up with that brilliant observation. How about you apply that same logic to DG? Also, Robert Johnson didn't struggle as a lead guard. He had a good senior season and was a much better player than he was his sophomore season.
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Green had the third highest usage rate of any player last year and actually got better (see my post above) playing more minutes in a bigger role. Adding you to the list of dense people who don't know how to read a stat line. Rojo was a very efficient player as a secondary guard playing along side Yogi and Blackmon, but once his role got bigger he significantly struggled shooting, especially from the perimeter. That doesn't seem to be an issue with Green and his advanced stats back up that sentiment.
Almost all our players were injured at some point last year. Hunter was the only returning player that ended the year on the sideline and is working to come back. It isn't as though Hunter is bed ridden and clinging to life. He is lifting weights and working on individual drills. What players do you expect to not be available?
Or you're being disingenuous and cherry picking his stats. The OSU and Iowa games skew the numbers and I assume you know this. I'll go with what he has done over the past 70-80 games is closer to what he will look like his senior year.
You really do have the fanboy manifesto down. Down play past players and players leaving. Make outlandish/bold claims about returning players. Only in the summer time do fans claim Devonte Green is going to average 15 point a game and out the other side of their mouth claim Robert Johnson struggled shooting from the perimeter. Robert Johnson shot 37% from 3s his senior season. I wouldn't classify that as struggling from the perimeter, but you do you.
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Johnson was a career 41% 3 point shooter coming into his senior year. Yes shooting 37% from 3 is struggling considering his past. What do you consider that then? His offensive rating significantly decreased from his sophomore and junior year to his senior year as did his assist to turnover ratio. Yeah his scoring averaged increased but that's only because he averaged 6 more shot attempts a game. It doesn't take any kind of intellectual person to understand this.
On the other hand, Green's numbers got better (not worse) the more he played. If you don't understand this, then why continue to argue? Simply put, some players are more suited for different roles and usage rates, Robert Johnson ISN'T one of those players. Again, tell me how suggesting someone like Devonte Green is going to get better with an increased role is being a fan boy? Especially when it's already been proven that Green is demonstrably better when his usage rate and role becomes larger? Take out the Ohio State game where he scored 26 points on 8/10 shooting from deep and he still averaged 13.5 a game shooting 42% from 3. 13.5 is the ppg is what I put down for his next years expected ppg average.
What are your realistic expectations for Devonte Green next year as the starting 2 guard with a much larger role?
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No reason not to think those players won't become better shooters but it may not show up in the %'s. Romeo and Morgan drew the best defenders and now that they're gone the best perimeter defenders on opposing teams will go to green which will likely lower him from a 40% shooter from deep.
For the last time, I’m not betting someone I don’t know on a message board. I could find plenty of my IU friends to bet with if I wanted to. Relax big guy.
I'm lost? You can't offer a rebuttal to anything I've said or asked nor give an explanation for why you don't understand advanced stats. This isn't trolling my friend.
The issue is you look at some advanced stats and think that's the answer. The reason is because you don't understand basketball that well. You read some articles and think advanced metrics are the end all. They aren't. Some are good and some are useless. I also noticed you left out TO% and used A/T ratio instead. I wonder why that is?
For example your conclusion that Robert Johnson was a more efficient player his sophomore season than his senior season. He wasn't a better or more efficient player. He took fewer contested shots because he was our 6th or 7th best player on a better team. He then was able to make more of those shots at a higher percentage. What a novel concept? Players make a higher percentage of uncontested shots. Are you really unable to detach yourself from the metrics and figure that out?
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Robert Johnson struggled when he was asked to become the "man". I never said he was bad or horrible as a senior, other than he wasn't the player he once was (a very good 3 point shooter).
TO% doesn't tell the whole story either. Did you conveniently leave out the excerpt of my post where I stated Devonte Green struggled when he was primarily asked to play PG? There was a stretch from 12/22 (Jacksonville incoincidentally the first game Phinisee missed due to injury) through 1/19 (Purdue) where Green started 6 out of 10 games because Phinisee was either out injured or on a minute count as he was coming back from injury. This was easily Green's poorest stretch of the season because he was asked to play large minutes as a PG. Green was then suspended the next 3 games and came back for the game @ Michigan State where he was moved almost exclusively off the ball once Phinisee came back fully healthy and had a great last third of the season (I already showed you his numbers). With Romeo gone, Green is the clear favorite to take Romeo's role and that is being the lead off-ball guard. He was one of the best and most consistent players for Indiana down the stretch and its no secret why.
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Perfect! Rojo was a great third guard. It was a role he played well. He hit key open shots and seemed even more deadly while playing with a lead. We all assumed he would continue to be productive when Yogi and Blackmon moved on. He wasn't.
https://www.thehoosiernetwork.com/2019/04/01/devonte-green-more-than-just-a-cheat-code/
I remembered this article and it was good to learn something about Devonte. I am not a psychologist, but I have always been interested in what drives people and what shapes their actions and thoughts. His dad mentioned how Devonte is looking for security and encouragement. I thought he looked more comfortable in the NIT than at any time in his career. Romeo was in street clothes and it was up to him to be on the floor. Calling RP and himself Batman and Robin after one of the wins was fun to hear.
I have been down on him probably more than he deserves. The team needs him and he knows Archie is putting a lot of faith in him. This could be the situation he has been waiting for.
What does that matter? You have zero credibility about anything with anyone on here, what’s adding one more thing you’ve been wrong about gonna hurt?
The only thing about this is if Green replaces RL's numbers who replaces Greens?
A quick question. Which one of Green’s seasons was he most efficient? If I was reading it correctly it was his freshmen season?
I never did answer your last question. I think Green will have a similar season to this year. I think he will average around 10 points and shoot around 40% from the field and have a high turnover percentage. Assuming he is the lead guard he is going to have better defenders on him. I'll let you in on a secret that Kenpom might not have written in his articles. It's a lot harder to score points when you have D1 athletes who are taller, longer, and more athletic than yourself.
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If Green shoots 40% from the field and has the same usage rate as he did last year but plays an additional 8-10 mpg he’s going to average ~15 ppg which is what I’ve said from the start and what you’ve vehemently disagreed with. What is your argument?
And Green’s most efficient stretch as a Hoosier came during the last 10-12 games last year once he finally had a definitive role. For the first 2.5 years Green played a combination of PG/SG with mixed results. Green will almost exclusively play off the ball next year and that is a role he thrived in at the end of the year. Do I need to explain more?
lol....You skipped right over my question. I was pointing out Green's most efficient offensive season was his freshmen year when he played the least amount of minutes. A lot like Robert Johnson? I just wanted to make sure my advanced metrics were correct. To be fair and consistent. I do not think Green was a better or more efficient player his freshmen season.
Green is going to have guys like Henry, Easter, and etc. guarding him each night. He will quickly find out it's much more difficult (it looks like you as well) to score as the lead guard who defenses key on. Unfortunately, that short rape enabling Izzo is a pretty good coach and usually tries to put his best defenders on the other teams best players.
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IU will see Henry and Eastern a grand total of 3 times out of 31 games next year. He can go 0fer in those 3 contests and I wouldn’t be worried about him still averaging somewhere between 13-15 points. He’s a high usage player that shoots the ball well that has shown he’s capable of stepping into a larger role so long as he’s playing within the offense and that’s off the ball.
Another year of development from Phinisee and Durham along with legitimate front court depth makes IU that much more balanced and dynamic, people forget that. It didn’t become very difficult to guard Romeo down the stretch when he was the only player other teams had to key on.
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and don’t forget Romeo was playing against the B10 teams w a lot in the line...not early round NIT teams either...
Luckily for us they will play the games and we get to find out the answer. Hopefully, you're right and I am wrong. I enjoyed the discussion.
The entire team will make up the difference. Teams lose 50% of their scoring and guess what? They score the same amount the next year.
FItzner wasn't a waste. He was a low risk guy that didn't work out. It happens.
The other 2 were a waste. Different situations entirely.
It would be nice if you were consistent with your high standards when it came to Archie. Rob Johnson averaged 14 pts, shot 43% from the field and 37% from 3s. His turnover percentage was 15% his senior season. That qualify’s as struggling, but Archie did a good job because we won half our games
It would be nice if you were consistent with your high standards when it came to Archie. Rob Johnson averaged 14 pts, shot 43% from the field and 37% from 3s. His turnover percentage was 15% his senior season. That qualify’s as struggling, but Archie did a good job because we won half our games
He struggled as a lead guard. What is so hard to understand about that? No one is saying that he's was a bad basketball player or anything like that, rather he struggled with the role of being the go to guy. I think we can all recognize that guys like Jordan Hulls, Zeisloft, etc were all good and important pieces for their respective teams while at the same time recognizing we'd be in trouble if they were counted on to be the go to player. Please tell me you recognize the difference?
High school teammates of Payton Pritchard whose Oregon’s PG. Also from West Linn OR so going home makes a lot of sense.
Why? You and Taz already concluded he struggled as a lead guard. Oddly enough you never present any numbers for what you consider not struggling so we could have an objective standard to go by. Putting that aside because I don't really care about your subjective opinion and don't want to continue the same conversation from yesterday..
I do commend and love the high standards. I'm always on board for that. Perhaps, we can find some common ground. I think we can both can agree that Archie has struggled so far as IU's coach?
Because I watched Robert Johnson play maybe??? He didn’t command double teams. He struggled creating his own shot. He struggled getting to and finishing at the rim. He was inconsistent, would score 20 one game and then go 0fer (Louisville) the next game because he struggled to get separation against bigger and stronger players.
You look at lead guards like Romeo and JBJ in the immediate years prior and those guys could manufacture points in a variety of ways. Robert Johnson wasn’t that kind of player. I’m not sure what else you want me to say?
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