Dakich said they’d be a top ten team Lots of talent but lots of injuries. On paper they had more talent than Purdue
Archie going with 11 scholarship players
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Oh, gosh. We're missing out on two players that more than likely would have never contributed a single minute in the next season or two. If we were running a 13 man rotation week in and week out, I'd be concerned. Bank them, scout for next year and build this team with "your" type of players.
Outside of Hunter whose status is undetermined now, why would you even contemplate (so we could be down to 8 at some point)?
Thompson played at the end of the season and played well in a couple of games. Davis has had some time to fully heal and build some stamina.
More from the bailey777 hyperbole machine. Do you ever get tired of overstating EVERYTHING?
Boy, that’s a lot of typing for someone with your cognitive issues..good job!
Again, still waiting on more analysis from the McRoberts interview. The one in which you thought he said the only thing better about Arch was set schedules and how mcbob said Arch can’t make a final four. Lol
Ahhh —- always seeing the world through douche-tinted glasses...
‘Sounded unsure’ vs ‘can’t’
good gawd...for someone that makes such nasty personal attacks/name-calling because someone has a varying opinion than yourself...you should be more accurate.
Now you are just making shit up...
Dumb. You missed the whole point if the interview and every detail in it because...you are dumb as shit. Lol
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Green will replace Romeo’s scoring, which is the only area he will be missed. Juwan’s numbers can be replaced, but his toughness cannot. As much as I liked Juwan, the team lacked leadership. Juwan just wasn’t wired that way. I can easily see the TEAM being improved next year. The bar with Romeo and Juwan isn’t exactly set that high.
So do you see a team whose Coach couldnt find a way to win with, and get his two scorers involved and to open up for others...to now be improved because there is no one to focus on?
That’s just pure wishful fan thinking. It’s not reality. Those were two of the top players in the conference. You don’t just replace that productivity with role players. It’s going to be very tough for us to score next year.
Again you’re dumb. Juwan Morgan was nothing but a role player his first two years at Indiana. Not only did he replace Thomas Bryant, he exceeded Bryant’s production and then some. But then again, explain to me how you can’t replace productivity with role players?
Not worried about Green’s scoring in the slightest. He scored in double figures in just about every other game last year and averaged a little more than 16 a game the last month of the season.
You’d actually be semi-crazy not to think Indiana’s scoring output doesn’t increase from next year to last. You lose 16.5 ppg in Romeo but Green who averaged 9.4 ppg playing 25 mpg should see his scoring improve with more minutes. I expect Green to play somewhere between 32-34 mpg and expect him to average somewhere around 14-15 ppg in a much larger role. You’ve almost replaced Romeo’s scoring output with 1 player in Green, not to mention that Durham and Phinisee should also see their scoring totals increase by a few points per game. I know this concept seems crazy to some, but most players tend to get better with experience. Green may not have the individual talent to take over a game like Romeo and that’s where he’ll be missed the most, but to act like Indiana can’t make up his production is asinine.
If there’s one player Indiana is going to miss it’s Juwan. I doubt you’ll see TJD duplicate Morgan’s numbers individually, but he still should average somewhere between 10-12 ppg. Keep in mind that D Davis had a full summer to get completely healthy and his scoring production should once again increase. Also add in Joey Brunk who collectively should average more ppg by himself than Forrester, Moore, and Fitzner all did collectively last year, and it’s not out of this world to see IU being a better offensive team next year (in terms of total points per game) than it did the previous year despite losing their 2 best players. And I haven’t even accounted for Thompson and Hunter yet.
If there’s one player Indiana is going to miss it’s Juwan. I doubt you’ll see TJD duplicate Morgan’s numbers individually, but he still should average somewhere between 10-12 ppg. Keep in mind that D Davis had a full summer to get completely healthy and his scoring production should once again increase. Also add in Joey Brunk who collectively should average more ppg by himself than Forrester, Moore, and Fitzner all did collectively last year, and it’s not out of this world to see IU being a better offensive team next year (in terms of total points per game) than it did the previous year despite losing their 2 best players. And I haven’t even accounted for Thompson and Hunter yet.
People tend to forget that Romeo was at his worst down the stretch while Green was at his best...and we won.
I just rewatched the MSU game at home and Romeo was down right awful. Was something like 4-13 from the field, 0-4 from 3, had two official turnovers but really around five (lost the ball with his loose handle twice only to luckily be bailed out by a hustling IU player and then threw a god awful weak pass in transition that bounced around and eventually was picked off).
The reason we won was because Smith played like a first round draft pick and Green hit some monster clutch threes down the stretch while he and Rob harassed the hell out of Cass and caused some big turnovers in the second half.
When we beat MSU at the Breslin, again it was Green hitting monster shots and everyone contributing (Smith had another good game, Davis played well, Al played well til he dislocated his finger). Romeo was pretty awful until the last four minutes (this was the game where he shot one of the ugliest step back 35 footers I've ever seen to ensure that we didn't have any chance to win in regulation).
Anyway, the point being our two biggest wins were with Romeo playing and shooting awful in both and one game that Morgan missed due to getting hurt.
Most importantly we'll finally have some size next year to match up.
We'll miss them...and we'll definitely miss a sophomore, stronger, post hand surgery Romeo but it's not like Romeo was the best player on the floor last year, putting the team on his back every night like Glen Robinson.
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This is pie in the sky nonsense. I nominate you captain of the fanboy club.
Hey, did you happen to see the bet offered by Aloha? I think it's something you might be interested in, by the way.
How does that make me a fanboy? How does a team like Purdue lose 4 senior starters and get better? How does a team like MSU lose 2/3 of their best players last year and keep on winning? Unless you think our newcomers won’t score a single point next year and there’s zero chance that none of the 8 guys we have returning get better, how does that make me a fanboy? Is Bart Torvik a fan boy as well? A neutral source through analytics who predicts IU will average 2 more points next year than they did this year despite losing their 2 best players?
http://www.barttorvik.com/rosters20.php?team=Indiana&year=2020
I’ll bet you IU won’t be a top 3 team in the Big Ten or a 6 seed in the tourney. They accomplish one of the two and you win.
Get rid of your first sentence and I wouldn't have responded to your post. It's not unreasonable to think IU's scoring output will decrease, next year. It's also not unreasonable to think IU's scoring will increase. You conclude only an increase is logical and anyone who thinks differently is crazy. Hence, the fanboy comment.
If you're going to use Bart as a reference then add some probabilities to those outcomes. I think you will find out there is also a high probability that IU won't increase its scoring output.
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It's only crazy or unreasonable if you don't understand how depth and development create a more balanced scoring attack. Unless you think there's ZERO way Indiana's 8 returning players don't somehow improve nor does IU get any production from the three newcomers does it become unreasonable.
Last year's Indiana back court:
Starters
Phinisee 6.8 ppg
Langford 16.5 ppg
Durham 8.3 ppg
off bench
Green 9.4 ppg
Anderson 1.5 ppg
Indiana's front court last year:
Smith 8.2 ppg
Morgan 15.5 ppg
off bench (and this is what killed Indiana last year)
Davis 5.4 ppg
Fitzner 3.5 ppg
Moore 1.3 ppg
Forrester 2.1 ppg
It took 4 players to average 12 ppg off the bench last year in the front court. Here is a reasonable take on where to expect scoring to come from this year given players development and new roles.
Back court starters
Phinisee 9.5 ppg
Green 13.5 ppg
Durham 10 ppg
Off bench
Franklin 4.5 ppg
Anderson 3 ppg
Front court starters
TJD 11 ppg
Davis 8.5 ppg
off bench
Justin Smith 7.5 ppg
Joey Brunk 7 ppg
Race Thompson 4 ppg
And notice I didn't include Jerome Hunter who may or may not play. If he comes back healthy it makes IU even that more dynamic.
With those numbers, last years scoring numbers are not only duplicated but actually slightly increased with just incremental development despite losing your two best players. Now notice I didn't say this makes IU a better team, just simply showing how losing Juwan and Romeo doesn't signal the sky is falling and the world's end is near.
Taking GG as the FIRST commitment for the class of 2016 is when I was officially over Crean. Then I saw GG in person against Warren Central, and he was literally the 9th best player on the court. Where is GG now? I lost track of him after he left the State Fair Community Coilege Fightin' Corn Dogs
You're tilting at windmills. I wouldn't be surprised if Indiana scoring output increased a little or decreased a little. I guess it's crazy and unreasonable to expect you to address your position that people are "semi-crazy" if they think IU scoring output might be decrease. Making up some random numbers doesn't make that position more reasonable. It makes it dumber.
So, do you think IU makes the NCAA next year? If not, Aloha has a bet you might be interested in, if you are so inclined.
And that's my point. You have people who already have one foot off the ledge simply because Romeo and Langford are gone. Even if the scoring output only slightly decreases that's a worst case scenario. It's not anywhere near the doomsday scenario people are predicting simply because Romeo and Morgan are gone. Their production SHOULD be replicated if not exceeded simply due to development and more importantly depth that didn't exist last year.
I think were a bubble team and will win between 17-20 games. Why would I take that bet? I offered him a bet. You're welcome to take it, as well.
I think the bar isn’t set very high and is easily attainable. People get caught up in teams on paper instead of what they actually are. This team was an NIT team, and I think they could make NCAA tournament next year.
The issue is even if their production is replicated, we're still not that good of a team. Making the tourney as a double digit seed isn't a good season. I wouldn't call it doomsday, but it's a crappy season for Indiana standards.
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