Can't blame Mullins, he picked a known winner and a legit chance at a national title. IU can't compete with that right now.
Anyone actually think we'll get Mullins?
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The people not allowing it won’t be in power much longer. Furgeson and Buckner.
can we all just agree, once and for all, that he-who-shall-not-be named is never going to coach at IU? And then stop mentioning his name in these 'what's next for us' discussions?
That shipped sailed over a decade ago. We had a slim chance, an opening, during CTC's 2nd-3rd year floundering, but signing Cody gave him a reprieve, and that was that.
Supposedly that Stevens stuff isn’t true. At this point nobody really knows. Let’s see what Dolson gets done in a couple of years. Hey!!! We got a football program now!!!!
And only football content going forward on this site! IU = Football school now. Women's hoops and football have the best of the best! That once proud machine of a basketball program no longer exist thanks to the losers who run the BOT.
I don’t think Woodson, at his age, was ever perceived as anything other than a hopeful quick fix to right this shit…excuse me, SHIP with his Bob Knight and NBA connections. It’s still in slow sink from my perspective, on distant shore.
I guess define underachieving. Buckner and Co will no doubt find a 3-5 B1G finish and a S16 to be a roaring success.
Never in my lifetime did I imagine IU would morph from a basketball school to one of football dominance…that is, until now as a 63 year follower, still counting.
Let’s face it, a 3-5 B1G finish with a S16 would find us all giddy at this point of our 25 year post-Knight demise.
I think it's now safe to conclude that you're the latest incarnation of Ducati, Twin Degrees, etc.
Would be underachieving once again given that we clearly have the best roster in the league along with an easy schedule.
A Sweet Sixteen will save Woodson. Anything less and I expect he will be pushed out. And I don’t expect IU to make the Sweet Sixteen. The talent is there, the coaching is not.
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It’s a wild choice to be obsessed with IU nearly everyday for so many years.
As we know, best rosters don’t always equate to best team. Maybe we should just hope this roster is so talented with 6 players averaging over 10 pts/game, even Mike can’t screw it up.
Basketball expectations are always high at IU, thanks to RMK. It’s been the demise of many IU coaches this past quarter century and still counting.
How many rabbits can Woody keep pulling from beneath his top hat before the bunnies run out, figuratively speaking?
Woody has done nothing to win over the coaches in Indiana or Indy elite.
Portal will be only way Woody recruits well, he isn’t a relationship guy at all.
Mental and physical energy is required to establish and maintain those relationships. Immersed in the NBA culture, doors are opened for you. In the college game, the hungry succeed.
If IU underachieves again Woodson will completely lose the support of the fans and many boosters.
JMU had a great year last year in both FB & BBall. We got Cig. Vandy picked up their bball coach.
I think that time has come. IMHO This is his last shot with the majority for the fan base.
Yep. I tend to me more patient than most with coaches, but if Woody can't make the tournament or challenge for the BIG title with this team, I don't see much point in keeping him around. He isn't a tinkerer, so it's not as though he's likely to find some master-stroke in year 6 that would change everything. This is the "proof of concept" year.
i think with the money spent, the bar is set much higher than 'making the tournament'. This team has second-weekend-level talent (and cost). I think we'll be much improved on rebounding and more apt to push tempo. But I still worry about CMW's half court offense. Seems to bog down too much and just doesn't lead to enough open-look 3s.
Barring major injuries, my expectations are 24+ wins, top 2/3 in B1G and S16 minimum. That's what the NIL paid for.
Time for some accountability.
I believe he's focused on pushing tempo, because that's the only way he gets people more looks from deep. The half court offense over the past 3 seasons has been horrible in that regard. Up-tempo is likely the "new offense" he's talking about.
I don't base expectations on a single game single elimination tournament. Too much variability, which is proven by Tom Crean, Archie Miller, and Mike Davis doing well in it.
Getting in, however, and challenging for a big ten title are less variable.
ok I'll give you that.....in 1986 if we play Cleveland State 20 times, we beat them 19.
Matchups and just having one bad day, and the season is over. That's the beauty and tragedy of that tourney.
Yep. If they win the big ten this year, I don't really care if they lose in the first round. I mean, I care, it would be a bummer, but I'm not going to advocate for firing a coach in that case.
On the flip side, if we finish 8th in the conference and then sneak into the second weekend thanks to a lucky draw/opponents injuries/hot shooting, I'm not going to donate to a statue either.
You can't win the tournament if you don't get in. No one makes it every year, but if a coach misses it twice four years, that's not good enough. Woodson got his mulligan last year. I expect a run of appearances starting now, or I expect a new coach.
As I mentioned, I am more patient than most. I would have fired Davis a year earlier, Crean at the same time we actually did fire him, and I would have given Archie one more year. But it doesn't really matter if anyone agrees with me or if I agree with Dolson. I'm not the AD, prez, or on the BOT.
I'm about as patient as it comes, when it comes to IU BB. But thinking Archie should have had another year?
That's just self abuse.
true.
Cody and Yogi gave CTC at least 3 more years than deserved.
And the way CAM's last season ended (losing our last 6 games straight, boo'd off the court in the B1G tourney in your home state, with an absolutely lifeless performance), it was clear a change was needed. If it weren't for TJD, that season would have been in line with one of the first 3 CTC years.
Not sure you could say he didn't deserve the years they bought him, considering he got them to come. But I also don't feel like arguing about it.
IU woulda made the tournament in year 3 of Miller, and then they missed it in year four. But that wasn't all his fault. He got stuck with a crappy first class. If he hadn't recruited Romeo, he'd have been tied to the first train outta town, but Romeo was hurt and then gone. Hunter was hurt. Phinnissee literally regressed, but who knows if that was because of Phin or because of Archie, but he certainly didn't blossom at Cinci after he left. Leal was a top 75 4-star when he committed, but it turns out he was overrated. Gallo was injured. He had to recruit Lander, but he sucked too. Just a really bad time to be a coach at Indiana. Lots of Indiana kids that were overrated. He said all the right things but just couldn't get the kids to play winning ball. Woulda given him one more year to circle the wagons without Josh Smith there to mess it all up.
yes agree totally, CTC does deserve the credit for getting Cody and Yogi (and Wat, Jordy, Sheehey). But CTC wore that team into the ground in 2013 and the team looked entirely unprepared against Cuse. But again- the tourney....bad matchup, bad night...season over. Doesn't matter how good you looked in East Lansing a few weeks ago. But then there was plenty of talent with the 2013-2014 team and CTC did nothing with that team. Yogi playing superman his Sr year bought CTC one more season. Crean was a good marketer/recruiter of 'talent', but he is a terrible X's and O's guy. And too much off-court drama going on as well.
the whole vibe when CAM was coach just seemed askew from the very first game. Was a bad marriage from day one. Sometimes the lights are too bright and expectations too high. CAM isn't tearing it up in Rhode Island. His star was on the rise at Dayton but those days are gone now. No ill wishes towards CAM, he never seemed like a bad guy. Just a bad fit for the job at IU.
I hope this present season pans out, because I, for one, am not looking forward to yet another forced-entry coaching change. The volatility in the position at IU has to be scaring away some of the better choices.
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I agree that Crean had flaws. He didn't go tear it up at Georgia either.
And i agree about the vibe with Miller. He was grumpy a lot. Remember that shouting match he had with an assistant on the bench? He clearly wanted the kids to do things and just couldn't get them to do it. Knight woulda run kids like that off, but Miller couldn't seem to navigate how to motivate kids or make room for kids that hencould motivate.
Weird situation, having a guy who wins more games at Dayton than at IU. Rhode Island isn't good, but is showing mild improvement. Interesting to see if the portal and unlimited transfers make it easier for him to rebuild or harder.
He and Crean are also excellent explanations for why it's hard to get a successful coach from elsewhere to come here. They were both happy, rich, and entrenched at their old gigs, and they gave up those gigs to come to IU and see their career trajectories crater.
You have to think at this point that either would have been better off turning down the IU job--and that people like Mark Few and others would be dumb to consider it.
I'm also not looking forward to another coaching change, and I dunno who we can get, but it seems we are headed to a crossroad after this season.
Pre-NIL IU was a good not great job. The athletic dept budget and fans and history is great, but recruiting was a little tricky, we were not pros nor as involved in undisclosed financial compensation.
In the NIL world IU is a pretty amazing job. All the great things about a mega bball school plus we have resources to get involved in most recruitments. Coaches would love to have our NIL.
One day we’ll get bball going again. Hopefully.
In the NIL world IU is a pretty amazing job. All the great things about a mega bball school plus we have resources to get involved in most recruitments. Coaches would love to have our NIL.
One day we’ll get bball going again. Hopefully.
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