Same material. Kevlar, Tridur, Acceleron. Cheap and readily available. Seriously google Unequal TechnologiesThat may be, I am not sure that stopping a baseball is the same as stopping a round. But maybe it is.
Same material. Kevlar, Tridur, Acceleron. Cheap and readily available. Seriously google Unequal TechnologiesThat may be, I am not sure that stopping a baseball is the same as stopping a round. But maybe it is.
Does that material really stop a .223 round at 3200 FPS? I have my doubts. But even if it stopped penetration, I would think the impact would be lethal.
One alternative I thought about would be a tiered system. If you wanna semi auto the requirements are more stringent than a .22 single shot.You don’t. You want a gun? Here’s the licensing process. It involves a lengthy background investigation.
I don’t think thousands of kids want to own guns.
And expensiveOne alternative I thought about would be a tiered system. If you wanna semi auto the requirements are more stringent than a .22 single shot.
Correct, but the NRA's stance is that every one of your suggestions (other than perhaps beefing up school security) is an assault on the second amendment. The NRA's stance will be adopted by every bought-and-paid-for politician. It is at least refreshing that you have shown some disagreement (today, anyway) with the monolithic stance of the GOP/NRA.
Really you don't? Wow you are really out of touch . You think out of the whole country ony a few hundred''kids'' want to own guns? Ever heard of hunting?You don’t. You want a gun? Here’s the licensing process. It involves a lengthy background investigation.
I don’t think thousands of kids want to own guns.
I don’t support abortion, you do!Hopefully not, but the policies you support certainly have.
They sell a ballistic vest for $399, a Lacrosse vest for $150. They may be the same thing, they can just get more for calling it ballistic. Or maybe they aren't. If they are the same, maybe we need to wonder if we need kevlar lacrosse vests (not to mention, do we need lacrosse)?It obviously depends on the rounds and power but google unequal technologies and check out their website. I've seen it demonstrated
Hey, I’d take anything to do something. But again, the NRA will absolutely positively not allow what you are proposing. Thus Republican elected officials will also not allow it.One alternative I thought about would be a tiered system. If you wanna semi auto the requirements are more stringent than a .22 single shot.
Yes the difference is typically the audience/consumer and the ballistic products will be shaped differently (molds) and a little thicker. But my broader point is that more and more sports protection material is just that strong.They sell a ballistic vest for $399, a Lacrosse vest for $150. They may be the same thing, they can just get more for calling it ballistic. Or maybe they aren't. If they are the same, maybe we need to wonder if we need kevlar lacrosse vests (not to mention, do we need lacrosse)?
Before everybody comes at me, hear me out.It’s also probably time our LEOs carry a semi auto long gun in every squad car and are highly trained on it.
Doesn't this at least raise the question of, "How old should you be be for you can legally own a firearm, or at least own certain types of firearms?" Unless, an eighteen year old is in the military, why does he need to possess an assault rifle or a similar type of weapon? Signed, Just Curious.You don’t. You want a gun? Here’s the licensing process. It involves a lengthy background investigation.
I don’t think thousands of kids want to own guns.
Today anyway? I’ve held pretty much the same position on guns for years. You need to either pay attention, stop the stereotyping, or both.Correct, but the NRA's stance is that every one of those suggestions (other than perhaps beefing up school security) is an assault on the second amendment. The NRA's stance will be adopted by every bought-and-paid-for politician. It is at least refreshing that you have shown some disagreement (today, anyway) with the monolithic stance of the GOP/NRA.
Absolutely. But again, that will be fought tooth and nail.Doesn't this at least raise the question of, "How old should you be be for you can legally own a firearm, or at least own certain types of firearms?" Unless, an eighteen year old is in the military, why does he need to possess an assault rifle or a similar type of weapon? Signed, Just Curious.
I think the language of it could be tweaked to recognize that the militia and the right to bear arms should be well regulated; however, all they had in 1789 were flintlocks, which were single shot arms nothing to really worry could result in mass murder.The second amendment is not the problem. The problem is those who use it as a moral imperative and those who see it as a problem. Everything Ranger and I have suggested does not have a second amendment issue.
I think immunity violates the 7th Amendment, but the so-called constitutional conservatives never mention that.
I have not been around here long enough to know that, so I apologize.Today anyway? I’ve held pretty much the same position on guns for years. You need to either pay attention, stop the stereotyping, or both.
How were the founding fathers supposed to realize that we would have our present type of guns?
Today anyway? I’ve held pretty much the same position on guns for years. You need to either pay attention, stop the stereotyping, or both.
Absolutely agree. Women are often killed by their husbands or partners with guns after multiple domestic violence incidents.Late last summer we had a spate of kids shooting kids in aurora Colorado. The community held meetings to figure that out. The common message was homes with significant domestic violence. Domestic violence is almost always a product of drugs and alcohol. That is a place to start.
Or that millions of guns would be bought because we fear our fellow citizens.I also don't think they realized we would so readily use our guns on each other.
The founding fathers owned slaves, they were racist.I think the language of it could be tweaked to recognize that the militia and the right to bear arms should be well regulated; however, all they had in 1789 were flintlocks, which were single shot arms nothing to really worry could result in mass murder.
How were the founding fathers supposed to realize that we would have our present type of guns?
Do we need to rethink completely what we consider an adult? I think there are some pretty compelling arguments that we treat 18 year olds as an adult in almost every other instance of the law except for drinking. This would be adding another exception. To me, they are adults or they are not.Doesn't this at least raise the question of, "How old should you be be for you can legally own a firearm, or at least own certain types of firearms?" Unless, an eighteen year old is in the military, why does he need to possess an assault rifle or a similar type of weapon? Signed, Just Curious.
I wasn't much of a hunter but really wanted guns as a kid. I just liked to shoot guns. Every weekend when I'm out in the country I hear people blazing away target practicing. I'm to cheap to want to pay for the shells or I probably would too.Really you don't? Wow you are really out of touch . You think out of the whole country ony a few hundred''kids'' want to own guns? Ever heard of hunting?
That is truly insane and terribly sad. There is no reason weapons like that should be available to the general public. None.Apparently, they need help in identifying the kids after the shooting.
What are the right’s solutions to curb mental illness? I was thinking about this last night. It’s been decades since many of the facilities have been closed . I agree it’s a huge issue but can’t even fathom where to beginSome of those things will require the left to act. The right has been clamoring for better efforts to curb mental illness for years and the left won’t budge. The left’s tech titans need to be held accountable for the disasters they’ve created online. Kids’ mental health is terrible and overly aggressive COVID lockdowns, isolation and social media is a large component of fueling the fire.
The government(English) didn’t either. You answered.Explain how the Second Amendment logically prevents government from strictly restricting wide open manufacture, sale and ownership of semiautomatic assault rifles with large magazines (which didn't exist when the Second Amendment became law in 1789) but doesn't prohibit government from imposing strict restrictions on manufacture, sale and ownership of cannons (which did exist in 1789).
The NRA is a dying ferret. It’s the elected officials that are terrified of losing votes that matters. And that’s on the left too.Correct, but the NRA's stance is that every one of those suggestions (other than perhaps beefing up school security) is an assault on the second amendment. The NRA's stance will be adopted by every bought-and-paid-for politician. It is at least refreshing that you have shown some disagreement (today, anyway) with the monolithic stance of the GOP/NRA.
Indiana is getting ahead of that. My brother in law just finished a brand new state of the art state funded mental health hospital. This red state is acknowledging the problem. This isn’t as cut and dried right vs left argument. This government has been treating symptoms not the problem. The guns are a problem but they are just a symptom. Let’s just stop with all the finger pointing. It’s an old ass argument. As soon as I hear those damn libs or this crazy righties…I zone out.What are the right’s solutions to curb mental illness? I was thinking about this last night. It’s been decades since many of the facilities have been closed . I agree it’s a huge issue but can’t even fathom where to begin
Not to go off on a tangent, but it’s one of the reasons teachers absolutely must teach some values, SEL, etc. Those that are not getting it at home , must get it at school or they won’t have it anywhere.Nuts are a big issue. But not just with guns. Nuts push people off of the subway platform into the path of a train. We seem to produce nuts. It begins in elementary school. Kids who don’t have stable families are very vulnerable. I think schools fail vulnerable boys and the problem is getting worse.
I don’t know how we keep nut jobs separated from guns. I’d start with simply taking ultra-hazardous guns out of commerce. I’m talking about semi-autos with high velocity ammo.
FIFY.You consistently disagree with anything that isn't on your list. It's not surprising people are surprised that you support any measures at all.
You need to talk to Reagan about the mental hospitals.
On a board where people argue about whether the sky is blue or whose fault it is that it's blue or whatever, I think things like this and some other suggestions would be overwhelmingly accepted.There are no “solutions” - that’s simplistic thinking. There are mitigation steps that can be taken.
These are a few mitigation ideas. Pick what you want.
- Outside of provable exceptions, forbid home storage of high powered semi-auto long rifles. Able to keep them at a range for target practice and plinking. Amnesty period and then they are illegal to have at your house without the exception (eg occupational use, rancher, farmer, etc).
- Hotlines to report to local authorities the people that just don’t seem “right” and have access to firearms. Authorities investigate and their investigations and decisions have teeth.
- Full background checks and rechecks upon expiration (five years?) on gun owners.
- Hardened schools using state or federal money. LEO at every school.
- full withdrawal of immunity from gun manufacturers and FFL brokers
That’s good news.Indiana is getting ahead of that. My brother in law just finished a brand new state of the art state funded mental health hospital. This red state is acknowledging the problem. This isn’t as cut and dried right vs left argument. This government has been treating symptoms not the problem. The guns are a problem but they are just a symptom. Let’s just stop with all the finger pointing. It’s an old ass argument. As soon as I hear those damn libs or this crazy righties…I zone out.
Partially true, but these issues are not isolated to the US. Unfortunately, f’d up gun culture is isolated to the US for the most part.Darrell Brooks used a vehicle. Others use knives.
The larger problem is society. We systematically degrade families. Most of these shooters are loners, outcasts, have no adult male influence, are from dysfunctional homes and angry. Youth suicide is at an all time high. Youth mental health issues are brushed aside. Drugs are all over the place. Too many see government as a surrogate loving family. I think it’s reasonable to assume that Remos was so angry and distraught that he decided to end his life while making others feel like him.
There will most certainly be politicized calls for gun control, hard school defenses, armed school staff, and other bandaids. None of that will be very effective. We have a systematic social problem and we can’t hide that fact with the political racial and identity diversionary side shows that dominates education. .
Every kid has a mom and a dad. That’s inarguable. We need to develop, support, and nurture that relationship.
This hits home. My grandfather was a brilliant man that suffered from terrible mental illness. Lithium was a godsend to him. It’s unreal the lack of mental health institutions in this country.Are we back to this again? He may have been wrong, but deinstitutionalization began under LBJ
In a way you are correct. More people will die from gunshots in Chicago in a couple of weeks than died in the school. Nobody gives a shit because they are blacks shooting blacks who have no home life anyway. But kill a kid in school who has loving family and we go ape.
Shithole has many forms.
Before everybody comes at me, hear me out.
Apparently the police engaged the shooter outside the school but failed to take him down. Now, I'm sure he wrecked the car and fled pretty quickly, but the most recent thing I heard was they got shots off.
To your point about highly trained....would more marksmanship or combat/tactical training put the police in a better position to succeed in the engagement.
Again, the story is pretty loose right now but I do have to wonder how the police missed. How many shots did they get off?
I have zero combat experience and I believe you've noted nobody knows what they will do once bullets fly so I'm not blaming them just wondering if we're failing by not focusing at least some training for regular police on situations like this.
Good pointI haven't read much of the details but if there were bystanders in the area outside the school, then they may have been trying to be extra careful where they shot so as to make sure the only possible person to get hit would be the target.
This hits home. My grandfather was a brilliant man that suffered from terrible mental illness. Lithium was a godsend to him. It’s unreal the lack of mental health institutions in this country.