Anybody who owns a semi-auto long gun will say they are “fun to shoot”. Well, cherry bombs are fun too and many states outlaw them. Same for hand grenades.
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Anybody who owns a semi-auto long gun will say they are “fun to shoot”. Well, cherry bombs are fun too and many states outlaw them. Same for hand grenades.
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Maybe. 20 million guns are sold per year. So you enact a stat that reads like a dram shop: if the gun shop knowingly sold a gun to a visibly nervous and shakey person by clear and convincing evidence and that person shot up a school the gun shop is liable. And the manufacturer. And the insurer. And the reinsurer. I guess
Of course you can think of one or two. But it’s a fact that the large majority is from guns. How do we degrade families? How do you make every kid have a dad and mom?
Well if you can explain how any kid can not have a dad and I mom, I will be very interested to hear about it. Perhaps you have some new information about conception that the rest of us don't know about? Do tell!
People live under this delusion of "freedom", and ''liberty'' --- while the gun industry, the insurance industry and the pharma industry control the lives of most of the population through media and political control.
The gun owners and the populace have been brainwashed to think freedom and right guaranteed by the constitution mean the ability to buy assault rifles like candies from a store.
In the end, if people don't come forward and force the politicians to make guns or ammo control the topic to vote for, then nothing will change.
The politicians don't care --- since most of their kids are safe.
The gun owners and the populace have been brainwashed to think freedom and right guaranteed by the constitution mean the ability to buy assault rifles like candies from a store.
In the end, if people don't come forward and force the politicians to make guns or ammo control the topic to vote for, then nothing will change.
The politicians don't care --- since most of their kids are safe.
Noodle has had it tonight. I have a feeling you feel like giving a Steve Kerr type rant. I know I do.
Part of the reason we have the immunity statute is that the city of Chicago was preparing to file a case against the manufacturers who were overselling hand guns in suburban shops. Those guns ended up being sold out of vehicles in back alleys inside the city.
Late last summer we had a spate of kids shooting kids in aurora Colorado. The community held meetings to figure that out. The common message was homes with significant domestic violence. Domestic violence is almost always a product of drugs and alcohol. That is a place to start.
I don't disagree with yours or COH's posts. We absolutely have a massive mental health crisis, especially in the age of social media (which is what, just 25 years old or younger).
Good point on turning out focus away from male teens. Agree 100%.
Those are such convoluted and complicated issues that will take generations to turn around.
In the meantime I have some simple data points.
1. The United States is in its own universe when it comes to gun violence, particularly mass shootings. We lead the world by far in school shootings.
What has everyone but us figured out?
2. When the assault rifles ban of the 90's was allowed to expire, mass shootings immediately tripled and today it's becoming nearly a multi week occurrence.
That's a direct point to basic legislative solutions.
3. We can point to Australia which had a mass shooting epidemic in the mid 90's and put in legislative solutions (the 1996 National Firearms Agreement) which saw their gun deaths drop over 60%.
So yeah, it seems like a pretty decent case for a legislative strategy.
I'd like for our generation to do more than just send thoughts and prayers.
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Have they with mass shootings? I thought mass shooters were a different breed because a large majority come out of nowhere (compared to violent people in general show a history, like beating the shit out of their girls).
So unless we get some pre-cogs from Minority Report, again you're asking for something that's incredibly difficult and nearly impossible to implement.
First you'd need a big brother govt team to monitor everyone (which yeah, that's going to freak people the f out) then how do you legally intercept someone who you think shows 'potential mass shooter' traits but hasn't committed any crimes?
That seems incredibly complicated and draconian when there are simpler solutions like a licensing and registration program.
In your example, those that have had dealings with violent issues are banned from the licensing and registration process.
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I just paid $170 to register my car for another year, for which I am required to put a sticker on my license plate, keep a copy of that registration, and proof that I have insurance for my car in my glovebox, PLUS a driver’s license with all my personal detals with me while I’m drivin
Yet owning a weapon of war…no such thing. Turn 18, buy an AR-15, and start shooting.
It’s disturbing.
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I don't know that banning higher capacity magazines would have mattered at all today, I seriously doubt it would have.
At one time our farmers fought wild game with muzzle loaders. But we really tamed the west with the Henry (15 rounds) and the Winchester (14). I would like to think our guns are a little more accurate today.
Under Texas law he couldn't buy a gun. The problem is how to keep people from slaughtering others because they break laws and new ones are likely not to make a difference. Having better ways to see these kids, now in NY and TX they were 18 so did shutdowns create more mental issues for them, get them help before they kill a number of people is the real answer.
This would just create more division in families by having turn their kids into the police. You can bring you child up with love, discipline, and good supervision but teenagers act without their parent's approval many times. Now we know many parents ignore issues and should be held accountable but not all do ignore problems with their children.
I know it sounds easy. But there are millions of them laying in peoples basements. Even if you limit the sale it’s still going to be easy to get that stuff. It’s going to be a very very long process. It won’t be like other countries and I’m not sure the US government will have the stomach to ban. Not going to be easy for sure.
Why could he not buy a gun? It sounds like he walked into a gun store and bought both.
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Australia is an interesting case for the last thing I mentioned. After the COVID restrictions that were put in place world wide and in that country in particular with it's relatively recent gun grab, the trust does not exist.
Point blank, those people have guns for current Democratic administrations. "That's crazy Crazy, this is stupid conspiracy theorizing..." Ok, but that is the reality. You see posts that touch on the reasons why around here quite frequently. With the internet, everyone has access to the things we say when the other people are not around. The recent COVID stuff escalated that divide. They think that the government is a bigger threat to their kids in the long run than these incidents.
The reaction that is going to come down on this post (that they see all the time) is the type of stuff that reinforces that POV for them.
good. They should be calling the police about their kids that are so sick, they’re a risk of mass murder for society.
if parents can’t be held responsible, there’s no one left.
You just complimented Ranger's response to one of my posts that you called stupid.
Other than namecalling, what is your solution, McMurtry?
Explain how the Second Amendment logically prevents government from strictly restricting wide open manufacture, sale and ownership of semiautomatic assault rifles with large magazines (which didn't exist when the Second Amendment became law in 1789) but doesn't prohibit government from imposing strict restrictions on manufacture, sale and ownership of cannons (which did exist in 1789).
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All measures but the extra armed officers in schools would be rejected 95% to 5% among GOP lawmakers.
Me too. The NRA and lobbyists are the problem. I went to their website and read their positions. Won't budge on the smallest stuff.
How would increasing the bureaucratic paperwork of gun ownership stop illegal use?
Registrations and insurance for vehicles are not intended to stop traffic violations.
My bad. Would an elected GOP legislator? That would negatively impact your NRA rating.
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Some of those things will require the left to act. The right has been clamoring for better efforts to curb mental illness for years and the left won’t budge. The left’s tech titans need to be held accountable for the disasters they’ve created online. Kids’ mental health is terrible and overly aggressive COVID lockdowns, isolation and social media is a large component of fueling the fire.
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The gutless politicians are the problem. Just like the left leaning politicians that used CDC guidance to throw their hands in the air and say “nothing I can do!” and then went on to placate their COVID neurotic fan base.
Don’t blame the NRA. The buck stops with the elected official. Vote them all out.
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I’d also like to know how the 2A can be used to ensure 18 year olds have access to guns. Why not raise to 21?
Calif could soon have a statute that allows suits against social media platforms on behalf of kids who are addicted
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