does the United States have more mentally ill people than other nations, excluding this board of course
another elementary school shooting
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I will shoot less than 20 shells a year all while hunting. Yet someone like myself is castigated as a dreaded gun owner.
The broad brush you paint with is troublesome
My daughter showed me The Sandy Hook Promise videos. Pretty interesting. Just to get kids to try to focus on red flags with other kids. As Ranger related solutions are going to have to be varied
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Ranchers, farmers, people with land have a veritable use for high capacity mags.
Spot on. And NOBODY... well, almost nobody... wants to take away their right to a hand gun for self defense, if they are of sound mind and control access to the weapon. But do something, please, about AR15 style weapons.
Two 18 year olds the past few days. The kids are not alright.
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Probably not - but our I’ll probably have less treatment than many other nations - and they have access to guns. Both can be true at the same time.
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Correct. Social media is now another variable (or a dimension of the big Mental Illness variable) in the multivariate problem - that didn’t exist at Columbine.
I don’t think you can solve the problem by eliminating all soft targets. And I don’t like the idea of schools, churches, malls, etc. having to load up on security like they’re preparing for an invasion.
The truth is invariably these shooter have violated laws/ been known to law enforcements before carrying out these shootings.
I don't disagree... but let's sacrifice some of our supposed privacy nonsense and allow for national and global surveillance to nab these pieces of shit before they commit these heinous acts.
It’s tough to tell because a lot of these disaffected males seem to fall into that 16-27 age group and it’s not the first time we’ve seen them copycat each other.
But I agree that people are definitely losing it. Mass shootings aside this country needs to find some sanity somehow.
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There are no “solutions” - that’s simplistic thinking. There are mitigation steps that can be taken.
- Outside of provable exceptions, forbid home storage of high powered semi-auto long rifles. Able to keep them at a range for target practice and plinking. Amnesty period and then they are illegal to have at your house without the exception (eg occupational use, rancher, farmer, etc).
- Hotlines to report to local authorities the people that just don’t seem “right” and have access to firearms. Authorities investigate and their investigations and decisions have teeth.
- Full background checks and rechecks upon expiration (five years?) on gun owners.
- Hardened schools using state or federal money. LEO at every school.
- full withdrawal of immunity from gun manufacturers and FFL brokers
This week's flavour. The mass shooter in Vegas was a 64y.o male who shot off over 1,000 bullets. (My bullet tax idea... imagine if it costs $100 a pop? Only Bezo could afford such an event.)
If there is any common factor with all the mass shootings over the past 2 decades is that 99% of them are male.
Why not start that psychological profiling from there?
Why always men?
Good luck with that. Part of the rationale with constitutional carry is that a license fee is a restriction prohibited by 2A. The NRA line is no restrictions of any kind. Ever.Non-starter? It's no different to the tobacco, gas tax or eventually sugar tax. Someone has to pay for the secondary costs.
Its more palatable than god forbid, making guns more difficult to buy.
But its like the opioid epidemic.
Nothing gets done since it's making big money for certain companies. You fix that structural problem and then miraculously everything else falls in place.
Higher age limit and more tests to create more obstacles (like a driver’s license) rather than a simple background. Require a trusted sponsor for purchases?
Make exceptions for hunting rifles, although my opinion is that hunters move back to the bow and arrow (that’s what I grew up with).
Just throwing out some ideas. The “gun culture” is a problem too but hard to change that.
Make exceptions for hunting rifles, although my opinion is that hunters move back to the bow and arrow (that’s what I grew up with).
Just throwing out some ideas. The “gun culture” is a problem too but hard to change that.
Fu c k the NRA. F U C K them. The NRA is a satanic cult. And that rationale you mentioned is a load of crap.
A gun license fee is not unconstitutional. Period.
I don’t disagree.
Edit - The argument is actually that a state can’t require a license to conceal carry. The fee piece is stated as an added hardship to the burdensome licensing process.
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I think McMurtry is right in today's America there is no solution, after every mass shooting this thread would be eerily similar to the one that was started on the day of that massacre, same people saying the same things on here. same politicians saying the same things as they said the last time
I guess we are getting better at moving on and not dwelling, used to these massacres had a week or two shelf life with the media, now a day or two and we are back to business as usual.
We will bury the kids over the next week or so and get back to bitching about abortion, borders, who's crazier trump or biden , and other things that divide us.
I guess we are getting better at moving on and not dwelling, used to these massacres had a week or two shelf life with the media, now a day or two and we are back to business as usual.
We will bury the kids over the next week or so and get back to bitching about abortion, borders, who's crazier trump or biden , and other things that divide us.
I have some disdain for social media, but how the hell can it be responsible for someone that is motivated to kill young, innocent kids? This POS and Lanza have some serious issues and their families are absolutely to blame.
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Social media is destroying our youth’s mental health. This is more or less a given.
Kill dozens of varmints without reloading? Sounds like just fun with guns to me.
Politicians will talk big and urge more stringent curtailment of 2nd Amendment rights…but the truth is there are literally 1000s & 1000s of reclusive young men with severe personality problems and access to weapons and repeatedly making threats of violence living amongst our 350 M people.. Virtually all of them are known since they were youngsters by family & acquaintances to be potential mass killers like this…
…are we prepared to institutionalize/incarcerate all these 1000s just because they have the potential to fly off the handle and murder? Who will decide if the potential is serious enough to take early action? How early? Will those making the judgments be required to wear cool black uniforms with snazzy brass SS insignias? How many will be unjustly incarcerated— the actual rate of acting out is really quite low compared to the number of potential actors.
Compare the risks to that of driving or riding in a car and getting killed. No comparison. No “need” to “do something.” It’s just one of those sad, frustrating and uncontrollable things that can happen.
…are we prepared to institutionalize/incarcerate all these 1000s just because they have the potential to fly off the handle and murder? Who will decide if the potential is serious enough to take early action? How early? Will those making the judgments be required to wear cool black uniforms with snazzy brass SS insignias? How many will be unjustly incarcerated— the actual rate of acting out is really quite low compared to the number of potential actors.
Compare the risks to that of driving or riding in a car and getting killed. No comparison. No “need” to “do something.” It’s just one of those sad, frustrating and uncontrollable things that can happen.
No worries. We are on the same side here.
The NRA and it’s political clout are a huge part of the problem. Take any of the number of reasonable ideas in this thread. Ask yourself, would the NRA support a single one? The answer is f&ck and no.
Suicides and drug overdoses are up over the past 2 decades. A majority of them male. If my memory serves me correct, drug overdoses we’re around 10,000 20 years ago. Last year they surpassed 100k. Americans are mentally and physically ill.
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The fact that we have little kids who get slaughtered in their school is an indictment of us. We are a broken society and we really don’t care to actually try and fix it. We will shrug our shoulders, know it will happen again, and deep down just hope it isn’t our kids school.
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