The fact that you think this is good decorum says a lot about you and what you prioritize. The elected representatives of Texas are doing their job in giving an update on a tragic event. The fact that you don’t like the people on the stage is immaterial.
another elementary school shooting
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In 30 minutes if law enforcement was warned they could at least start heading to the school if he threatened it.
I have no idea what’s true but it sounds like law enforcement were slow to respond and then stood around outside the building for a period of time.
I am sure truth will come out.
Gunman's final 90 minutes fuel questions about police delays
Texas authorities say the gunman who massacred 21 people at an elementary school was in the building for over an hour before he was killed by law enforcement officers.
apnews.com
you can read the smart ass answer and get it. Rambo had nothing to do with my question.
Guns aren’t going away. Mentally ill kids and adults are going to continue running the streets as they wish with no monitoring or meds so we better figure out something to help address when they decide to kill a large number of people.
I have a handgun and license to carry. I don’t carry. I’ve had some training on the handgun I have. I certainly wouldn’t be prepared to handle a situation like just happened. I just ask if maybe we pay for sone teachers to be trained and stay trained and armed if the situation arises.
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Sorry for offending your delicate sensibilities
Simple answer, then. Your question isn't stupid or crazy, but... No, arming lots of teachers, especially if by mandate, is an awful idea. I suppose a limited use of volunteers in the teaching ranks with military or police backgrounds could be somewhat helpful, but how many people would that be?
We ask a lot of teachers. SWAT team leader should not be in the job description.
Thank you
As impossible as it might seem I can try and have reasonable discussion. In fact I might surprise you. Lol.
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Haha. CRT would be a good start. Most likely can’t cut anything. Added cost we have to pay for. I guess if feds don’t want involved, local school boards can raise property taxes.
If you look around, Indy school boards are spending crazy money on athletic facilities. Not just Indy. Jasper and other Southern Indiana High Schools doing the same thing.
We didn’t have school shooting’s with those rules did we?
I had inklings about the police there but then I saw the tape and had confirmation around midnight last night. Could not go to sleep. Thinking of those parents and all the teachers and students in that room and building. I’m nauseous. As for the cops….. can’t even say.
You. Are. On. Your. Own.
90 ****ing minutes the cops sat outside. The parents sat outside and begged the "authorities" to go save their kids. Meanwhile the shooter was possibly barricaded in the room and systematically murdering children. A town of 16,000 people with a SWAT team and the border patrol had to go in. "The cops are outgunned..." My ass, they were in body armor with AR's of their own.
The videos in that article are an argument for why I want a weapon. The criminals will have them and the "authorities" are under no obligation to do anything but clean you and your loved ones up after the suicidal person has killed you and them and then themselves. You. Are. On. Your. Own.
Every cop that sat outside that school should be ****ing fired with no chance at pension or anything else.
The main issue I see with that is having the weapon on campus. Read awhile back that students found a weapon in the bathroom once that their security guard had left. Fortunately they turned in to teacher.
It's literally what they are paid for. Get in there.
It looks like teachers in Texas and some other states can have their guns in schools. Maybe more will now. I just don't see it as a reliable deterrent for a shooter wearing body armor with high capacity magazines. Take those things away and you've at least leveled the playing field.In 30 minutes if law enforcement was warned they could at least start heading to the school if he threatened it.
I have no idea what’s true but it sounds like law enforcement were slow to respond and then stood around outside the building for a period of time.
I am sure truth will come out.
Gunman's final 90 minutes fuel questions about police delays
Texas authorities say the gunman who massacred 21 people at an elementary school was in the building for over an hour before he was killed by law enforcement officers.
you can read the smart ass answer and get it. Rambo had nothing to do with my question.
Guns aren’t going away. Mentally ill kids and adults are going to continue running the streets as they wish with no monitoring or meds so we better figure out something to help address when they decide to kill a large number of people.
I have a handgun and license to carry. I don’t carry. I’ve had some training on the handgun I have. I certainly wouldn’t be prepared to handle a situation like just happened. I just ask if maybe we pay for sone teachers to be trained and stay trained and armed if the situation arises.
Has nothing to do with whether I like them or not. Has to do with the fact that I feel strongly that those people’s specific policies lead to this type of thing. Sorry but I’m a little more stressed about classroom shootouts becoming normal than “decorum”. Sometimes good trouble is the way you get change.
Interesting approach. If you want to visit a school, you MUST call ahead and get your visit pre-approved. No exceptions. Then you arrive and (presumably) get buzzed in. Goes for Mom & Dad, a delivery guy, the mailman, ANYBODY. Makes sense I think.
www.npr.org
After the Uvalde shooting, even parents can't enter Buffalo schools without notice
The school district in Buffalo, N.Y., announced Wednesday it would keep all school doors locked during the school day, and bar all unannounced visits to its buildings, including by students' parents.
www.npr.org
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Methinks "ice cream stores" is code for something else.
Because you choose to remain ignorant. That's not a new problem for you.
More facts you refuse to face.
Then you haven't been paying attention to Rand Paul's schtick. He would absolutely blow a gasket for spending 150 billion dollars on something that has the odds of only happening at a clip of about 4 out of 250,000 schools over a ten year period.
He's against wasteful spending, as you should be also.
I doubt he'd consider spending money specifically for securing schools to be wasteful spending.
Your numbers are completely made up.
Look at it like this. Say your house catches on fire. Instead of the fire department showing up, we have the local Burger King employees come. Sure they have been “trained” but firefighting is not what they do, they make fast food. You will be asking them to walk into a blazing home to save your child. Does this sound like a great idea or incredibly stupid?
The shooter had no documented mental health history and no criminal record. No law limiting access based upon past documented mental health issues or other background checks would have prevented this one, though I'd bet a few of the othre 200+ mass shootings in 2022 may have been averted.
Raising the gun buying age to 21 (as it is in FL, post-Parkland) could have helped. Putting AR-15s and related military weapons in the same category that we put cannons, nukes, hand grenades, missile launchers, nerve gas, etc. might have done something.
How do we make such events rare? I don't know the best answer. I know that doing nothing is the worst answer.
Raising the gun buying age to 21 (as it is in FL, post-Parkland) could have helped. Putting AR-15s and related military weapons in the same category that we put cannons, nukes, hand grenades, missile launchers, nerve gas, etc. might have done something.
How do we make such events rare? I don't know the best answer. I know that doing nothing is the worst answer.
What numbers? You said that you wanted a guard at every door. It is an assumption that every school has 12 doors, but I can think of at least 12 exterior doors on the elementary school two blocks away from me. Frankly, that number is probably conservative when talking about some of the high schools I've seen in Texas.
So:
12 doors
1 security guard per door.
250,000 schools in the US
$50,000 a year salary for a security guard (that part is also certainly debatable, but I looked up security guard salaries for Ohio - 38,000 and California - 66,000, so 50K is probably an OK average guess).
12 X 250,000 x 50,000 = 150 billion.
I admit that this is an estimate, but they are reasonable numbers based upon the criteria that you set. They are not completely made up.
To my recollection, this is the fourth major mass shooting at a school (This one, Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook). Paul would think it is wasteful spending to drop 100+ billion dollars on paying for security guards at every school when this is, although horribly tragic, something that occurs extremely rarely. The guy literally proposed cutting the Department of Education of 83% of its funding in 2011. You think he would even remotely consider doubling it instead? I just don't see it.
per the list earlier, which for space resasons was broken up into about 20 tweets just to name the schools, you are missing a hundred or more since Columbine.
Another victim of the shooting has died.
The husband of one of the teachers killed in the school shooting collapsed and died today while preparing for his wife's funeral. He and his wife had four kids.
www.nbcnews.com
The husband of one of the teachers killed in the school shooting collapsed and died today while preparing for his wife's funeral. He and his wife had four kids.
Grieving husband of teacher killed in Texas school shooting has died, family says
Joe Garcia had been married to his high school sweetheart, Irma, for 24 years before she was gunned down at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.
www.nbcnews.com
Seems super simple and smartInteresting approach. If you want to visit a school, you MUST call ahead and get your visit pre-approved. No exceptions. Then you arrive and (presumably) get buzzed in. Goes for Mom & Dad, a delivery guy, the mailman, ANYBODY. Makes sense I think.
After the Uvalde shooting, even parents can't enter Buffalo schools without notice
The school district in Buffalo, N.Y., announced Wednesday it would keep all school doors locked during the school day, and bar all unannounced visits to its buildings, including by students' parents.
I have a buddy who is retired from the military who teaches math in high school. He was special forces and a combat veteran. I’m sure he’d be the perfect kind of teacher to be armed and ready. I’m sure there are other people teaching with similar sorts of skills or experience. Why not arm them?
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