I didn’t know families were there. But I’ve heard he met with some of the families and I heard some yelling to let him speak. He probably should have just done his outside.
another elementary school shooting
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The Michigan kid was sent to the Principal's office and questioned with his parents. The gun was right there in his fvcking backpack.
Um... no funding for mental health? I'm not trying pin this all on Reagan. He is just part of our countries recent history on this topic. Their were count less people who opposed mental health funding. Still are.
I didn’t make a statement, I asked a question. I was attacked by people like you.
You said, in predictably broken English, "No, if read the news that’s what was being reported." That's not true. None of that was being reported in the news. It was only being reporting in right-wing cranks' social media feeds.
Yeah, actually, if you were paying attention back then, all the instututions were closed under Reagan. Not saying it didn't start earlier, but he was all for closing mental institutions.
I'm sure you see nothing wrong with it and would do it yourself, if given the chance.
george floyd anniversy , joke embaressed for my pary
Fantastic. Few too many catching the hockey playoffs? Good one tonight
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html. Just saw a video of parents screaming and crying and reportedly threatening to go in on their own if police didn’t.
No you're wrong, I read it on yahoo. The story was also in the Huff Post too. Beto says you're buying tonight.
So much for “good guys with guns.” Trained law enforcement didn’t do squat for 40 minutes yet some people think armed teachers is the answer?
Taken from a friend…
To those in the general public screaming “Arm the teachers! Give the teachers guns!”… Let me get this straight…
You don’t trust us to teach our content - there are so many bills going to state legislatures undermining the expertise teachers bring to the field. We need to publish a year’s worth of lesson plans because you don’t believe we’re actually teaching, right?
You don’t trust us when we say your student is the reason they’re failing when they are skipping class, aren’t submitting assignments, are playing both sides of the field and are dropping the ball, but it must be the teacher’s fault, right?
You don’t trust us to hold your student accountable for their behavior, standing firm on commitments and expectations, because it’s the teacher asking too much, right?
You don’t trust us to discipline students when they act out or abuse the system, because they’re precious little angels, and we’re the problem, right?
But you’ll trust us, no…EXPECT us to take a bullet for them when the system - when, at this point, not if - fails them.
And NOW you’re saying you trust us, trust me, to add firearm safety and defensive firearm training to my plate? You don’t trust me to execute a lesson plan but you’ll trust me to execute an intruder?
Incredible teachers are leaving the field every day. Phenomenal teachers are barely hanging on as they go through our day to day. Accredited programs and universities all over the country are closing their education programs because no one is enrolling.
When your kids, or grandkids, nieces, and nephews are being taught by actual undertrained people who are the only option to hire, will that make you happy? I mean… at least they’ll have guns…right?
To those in the general public screaming “Arm the teachers! Give the teachers guns!”… Let me get this straight…
You don’t trust us to teach our content - there are so many bills going to state legislatures undermining the expertise teachers bring to the field. We need to publish a year’s worth of lesson plans because you don’t believe we’re actually teaching, right?
You don’t trust us when we say your student is the reason they’re failing when they are skipping class, aren’t submitting assignments, are playing both sides of the field and are dropping the ball, but it must be the teacher’s fault, right?
You don’t trust us to hold your student accountable for their behavior, standing firm on commitments and expectations, because it’s the teacher asking too much, right?
You don’t trust us to discipline students when they act out or abuse the system, because they’re precious little angels, and we’re the problem, right?
But you’ll trust us, no…EXPECT us to take a bullet for them when the system - when, at this point, not if - fails them.
And NOW you’re saying you trust us, trust me, to add firearm safety and defensive firearm training to my plate? You don’t trust me to execute a lesson plan but you’ll trust me to execute an intruder?
Incredible teachers are leaving the field every day. Phenomenal teachers are barely hanging on as they go through our day to day. Accredited programs and universities all over the country are closing their education programs because no one is enrolling.
When your kids, or grandkids, nieces, and nephews are being taught by actual undertrained people who are the only option to hire, will that make you happy? I mean… at least they’ll have guns…right?
And apparently now they would need to keep their gun in a safe place so it won't fall into the wrong hands. I suppose if that gun would accidently discharge they might well be liable for criminal charges.
Right on. My wife teaches in the district where my kids attend school. It’s a “good” district. Her school alone has at least 8 teachers leaving this year. Many are younger teachers. One of my daughters kindergarten class was so awful the teacher quit and found a new career.
The behavioral issues teachers have to deal with each day is staggering. Many parents are doing a poor job holding their own kids to account. I’m not interested in those same parents deciding what’s on the curriculum for my kids. I’d rather leave that up to the experts - the educators.
The teacher will be blamed for
Not using the gun
Using the gun
Using the gun ineffectively
Having the gun taken from them
Accidentally shooting the wrong person
Shooting a minority student
It’s passing the buck. Red state legislatures know that school shootings are a major problem. But with the cozy NRA ties and 2A constituencies, they can’t and won’t address the actual problem. So they harden schools. But their constituents also don’t want to ship more tax dollars to education. So instead of providing adequate funding for districts to hire and retain a professional law enforcement force, we give the art teacher a gun and make her take on the shooter in Kevlar. Brilliant.
Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and wants to defend it? I mean, when you say it out loud is it utterly absurd.
If three officers saw him heading to the school with that gun and did not fire when he was ordered to stop, I have no idea why they were there. I understand wanting to give a "stop or I will shoot" warning, but once that is given it seems the officers have one clear duty, stop him by any means possible.
We need to harden our schools, we need to arm lunch ladies, we need to cure mental illness, we need to limit the social media leftists, we need to control women's bodies..........sad what conservative pretzel logic is these days
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It can be. This is what poorly trained and under-equipped policing looks like. Thank God for the border patrol.
This is correct...on top of that, FWCS contracted Sodexo for cleaning....which has turned teachers into janitors
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They should’ve gone in to be honest. Some of the parents are probably better equipped than the cops.
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The more that comes out the more it’s clear much of this was a failure in policing at the ground level - but obviously there are failures in the system.
What an unimaginable situation. I don't know what I'd do if I were standing 100 feet from a school where my child was inside with a gunman.
Like flight 93, at some point you have to rush the cabin.
PS. I have no idea what I'd actually do in that situation but I can't imagine "nothing" would be the final choice.
That is the secret, right. We all want to be Rambo but almost no one is. Still, I would think taking cover behind a wall or something and opening fire isn't full on Rambo. Guarding a school should raise the fight over flight at least a little.
And then why did they wait outside for 45 minutes? The videos of the parents screaming and begging them to go in are heart wrenching. One of the dads who tried to break through was a medic, who later found out his daughter was a victim. Were the police just cowards? I hate to think that but what was the protocol? This has been bothering me since the first details.
Go in. No hesitation. My daughter has 5th grade graduation tonight. I was just thinking to myself I have no idea how truly secure her school is other than a buzzer to get in. I imagine parents will be doing a lot more scrutinizing
I'd like to think something primal would kick in if it were my child in there. But, as you note, who knows.
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As far as I know the protocol is go go go. Someone made a bad call like they did in Parkland.
If I remember correctly the cop at Majorie Stoneman Douglas high school froze and did not go in either.
When you're in a crowd, or anywhere, really, you should always have a plan.
It may not be enough, but you shouldn't be caught by surprise when something happens. You should always have situational awareness.
Police are paid to put their lives on the line. It's part of the deal and they know it. It might make sense to try to negotiate and plan if they've got a bank robber cornered. But with a shooter in a school. You go in. Period.
