They need to first look in the couch for some pocket change and fix the t.v. situation on the concourses. They could have that resolved before the Idaho game.
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As long as the administration invests those returns back into football, that's what should happen.
Yex, we have a hell of a good start already with the stadium upgrades , tailgate lot upgrades already done.
I'm all for giving the players everything they need to be successful and feel like they are appreciated and respected, but spare me the over-the-top oppulance I've seen in many of the facility porn shots. Fans are important too, and need to be treated well also. I have to believe a new indoor facility along with adequate restrooms and concessions are (relatively) easily achievable with the new television revenue.
A new or heavily remodeled football development facility will be forthcoming as well as the suites on the east side. The bathrooms on the consourses are disproportionately complex and costly due to over the top ADA requirements.
The facilities we have now are actually damned good, but they don't show as well on the porn video.
That’s kind of a Jackass statement. There, happy now? I recognized you as a jackass. Carry on.
…..and all I’m asking for are those 75” t.v.’s from Best Buy placed strategically at the end of the entries. Near the concession stand would be good. Oh, and crank the sound. I’m being fairly reasonable to ask that they do it by this Saturday. Send 2 guys from IU maintenance with a scissor lift and get ‘r done.
I'm thrilled.
I agree, your statement was full of jackassery, so I called you out for it. Sorry that hurt your feeling.
How do they do it?
History of winning? Facilities? I don’t think it is under the table stuff (money, girls) that stuff usually gets caught.
How do we compete? Only thing I can think of is NIL (legal money).
Most of them were ‘24. They already have the #1 kid in that class, top recruits follow each other. It also doesn’t hurt to have LeBron, Jayson Tatum, Andre Iguodala, Joe Burrow and a lot of OSU current NFL players on OSU’s sideline.
What do you think is needed? A new facility? Renovate the old one? Is the old one too small or just old?
We need to continue to invest in our facilities. When they were built, we were middle of the pack in the conference. We slip every day that we don’t continue to add to and update them.
We need a new one.
Put it this way.
Our punter can't punt a ball without hitting the roof. That's a problem if you're trying to get work in on as a punt/kick returner.
It's just not a good design.
Other than a new or refurbished indoor practice building I don’t know what more can be done facility wise. IU will never build a separate stand alone team facility after all the money put into Memorial Stadium the last decade which includes a new team locker room and lounge.
IU's academic standards aren't quite as hard to meet as some of us would like to believe, let's be real here.
You don't need to do much beyond compare our acceptance rate to that of other conference schools (especially Northwestern, Michigan, and Maryland) to see that. A quick glance at Google shows that only Iowa's acceptance rate (84%) is higher than ours in the conference. Even Nebraska, generally considered the academic outlier of the conference, is a little more selective than us, at 77% compared to our 80%. And most of the conference is 10% or more below us, so it isn't even that close with the majority of them.
(For the record, Maryland's only at 51%, Michigan's at 26%, and Northwestern's at 9%).
Acceptance rates are one datapoint. Looking at scores, gpa, HSs, majors etc. There are not a lot of students accepted to IU that would not have gotten into peer schools unless you have a specialized student such as a musician that may not have excelled in math and science. Lots of out of state students come to IU for Kelley, Jacobs and O’Neill because they are exceptional schools.
Honest question: Are those IU acceptance rates for the Bloomington campus specifically or system-wide ? I teach seniors in an Indiana high school of approximately 1200 students. A good number of them who apply are rejected for admission to IUB but can easily gain admission to any of the regional campuses ( or can be admitted to IUB after a year at IVY Tech).
Great question. I know IUB has raised their requirements quite a bit. I checked like 15 years ago and even though I was in the top ten of my class and had a decent SAT, I would have been just above the median for the incoming class at IUB. I swear when I went to IUB in the 70's, all you needed was a heartbeat and a check! 😁
I was told that IU was setting up Bloomington as almost an honors campus and was directing kids who didn't make the cut to regional campuses. If they went to the regional campus and made their grades then they could transfer to Bloomington.
Is there a breakdown between acceptance rates for Indiana resident applicants versus those from other states?
Entrance requirements have definitely gotten stiffer. More competition from highly qualified out of state students who target the desirable schools I mention above.
Based on data for the 20-21 academic year, our acceptance rate is at 85% of applicants. Iowa (86%), MSU (83%) and UNL (81%) are the most closely aligned schools with us. These figures track fairly closely to overall rankings, which we know include a number of subjective elements, as well. This information comes from data published by the schools and is found on the College Evaluator website, among other online sources.
First, I would never rely on the college evaluator website or any 3rd party website except US news/Washington Monthly/Forbes. Sometimes they're accurate, sometimes they're way off because of the way they collect and report data - they don't get data directly from the institution. Second, acceptance rate is really irrelevant - it doesn't tell you anything about average GPA/SAT/ACT because different students self-select into applying, and yield rates are different. The US News College Compass tool has equivalent data for all campuses, but I didn't pay the $40 for access. The data below is according to each institution's own admissions websites and includes data from the class profiles for the 2021 entering class, with the exception of Rutgers and Nebraska (just not reported in the same way). Nebraska's is taken from a less reliable source, so take that with a grain of salt. Rutgers had data available for each college but not for the university as a whole.
But, looking at the entering 2021 freshman class data:
1) Admissions to IU was tougher than admission to: Nebraska, Michigan State, and Purdue (very close to Purdue, but a tick tougher. Boilers will never believe or admit to this even though it's from their own website).
2) IU had the same entering average ACT score as Wisconsin but a lower average SAT score.
3) IU had the same middle 50% ACT score as Minnesota but a lower middle 50 SAT score
4) The classes at Ohio State and Penn State had middle 50 ACT scores 1 point higher than IU.
5) With the exception of Northwestern and Michigan on the high end and Nebraska and MSU on the low end, the rest of the schools are admitting similar students, with marginally differences really only in the 1-2 ACT point range.
6) IU has a higher middle 50% GPA than most peer institutions that reported it, but they're all very close.
School | Middle 50% GPA | Average GPA | SAT Middle 50% | SAT Average | ACT Middle 50% | ACT Average |
| IU | 3.62-4.0 | 3.9 | 1230-1420 | 1322 | 27-32 | 30 |
| Illinois | 3.58-3.95 | 1330-1510 | 29-34 | |||
| Purdue | 3.5-3.9 | 1190-1410 | 26-33 | |||
| Ohio State | 1330-1460 | 28-33 | ||||
| Penn State | 3.59-3.93 | 1270-1450 | 28-33 | |||
| Rutgers** | - | - | - | - | - | - |
| Maryland | 1360-1500 | 29-31 | ||||
| Wisconsin | 1417 | 30.1 | ||||
| Nebraska** | 1240 | 25 | ||||
| Michigan | 3.9 | 1400-1540 | 32-35 | |||
| Michigan State | 3.5-4.0 | 1110-1310 | 23-29 | |||
| Minnesota | 3.5-3.96 | 1330-1500 | 27-32 | |||
| Northwestern*2022 | 1460-1540 | 33-35 |
Differences in admissions criteria between IU and the middle/top of the conference were way more pronounced 20 years ago than they are now. Looking at the 2021 class, IU looks like a standard B1G school.
Very interesting, and thanks. Kids applying to schools today are, for the most part, incredibly well prepared, especially in the physical and natural sciences and mathematics. Interestingly, communication skills (both verbal and written) tend to be far less impressive, perhaps due to our digital world and the “opportunities” created by it. Good stuff, and thanks, again.
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I will reiterate Old Cougar's question,,,,
Does that data apply to the entire IU campus network or just to IUB?
I know kids who could NOT get acceptance to IUB but were accepted to a satellite campus. Obviously the standards for acceptance is a two tier system.
If the data is NOT just IUB, can the data for just IUB be obtained?
That is IUB specific data. Each campus reports its own data.
editing to answer another question. I *believe* (though could be misinformed here) that IUB and IU-Indy are the only campuses in the system with competitive admissions. I think the rest of the campuses are closer to open access and accept all students with a high school diploma who have completed the appropriate college prep courses. They are intended to support an access mission and provide a pathway to a four-year degree across the state. Their regional campus mission is different than the two core campuses but incredibly important and undervalued.
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Yes as with most university systems there is variation in both standards and mission among their properties.
I always chuckle at our PU friends that come here and troll on about admissions when the two are virtually identical. They love the word “safety school” and claim that these out of state students come to Kelly for example from Chicago because they couldn’t get in to IUC. Complete BS but it makes them feel better. My own child applied to IU and PU and was accepted to both without issue. I was unimpressed with my conversation with the PU admissions office when they told me they use gpas without regard for the HS attended despite the obvious disparity between the quality of schools and value of any specific gpa number. That was several years ago so they may have straightened that out.
Do you have any data that tracks one of my earlier questions, namely whether there is any difference in acceptance rates for Indiana-based students v. Out of staters. Thanks.
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