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olympian97 said:
I don’t see Cig leaving Indiana for a blue blood program except maybe Alabama who I would be shocked if they fire Deboer after 1 year. Cig comes off to me as someone who likes the challenge of building something up and most blue blood football programs don’t offer that same challenge. He also has never been one and done at any previous stop. I think Cig stays at least for a few more seasons, but I do hope the boosters help Indiana ante up on this staff. I hope we can keep the staff in place and stave off any lateral job moves. I can see Shanahan and/or Haines getting offers after this season and hope they stay unless offered a head gig although I do think the offense will be fine if Tino takes the reins as OC. It is less clear to me what we do for defense other than an outside hire if we lose Haines.

If Alabama does inexplicably fire Deboer I would happily take him in as a trade if necessary. I don’t blame him for Alabama’s struggles this year except maybe his decision to make Sheridan his OC. Alabama is a complicated situation. I think Cig’s immediate success is due to his ability to flip the roster with so many players who know his system and coaching style. Deboer didn’t have that opportunity at Alabama. I mean are you going to push out a bunch of 5 star players to bring in players from Washington and maybe Fresno State? I don’t think that would have gone over well, but that’s the blueprint he would have had to follow to duplicate Cigs short term success and even the success he had a Washington. I think long term Deboer will have Alabama back in the title hunt and would be a perfect fall back plan if Alabama tries to pursue Cig because their fan base feels entitled and is impatient.
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I think Deboer problem is that his team lacks discipline... I'd take Cignetti over him any day... Deboer is good but not great... From what I'm seeing Cignetti may very well turn out to be considered Great if he sticks around and actually builds something here...

I'd be up for bring back the 'Bama Strength and Conditioning guys as extremely highly paid assistants to the guy we have if they'd go for a reduced title (which is unlikely)...
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Sage v Cuban

TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
Shit and that’s not even addressing the ability to read and analyze complex laws and apply precedent etc. again I think the training is invaluable.

Where I think the deception or “snooker” comes in is that life has career paths for the most part abd if you later decide the niche of law isn’t for you transitioning to another career isn’t easy as it seems incongruent. You want to work for lily in sales? Become a director and later vp? Why didn’t you go to biz school. Non lawyers don’t know what to think.
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That's a good point, but isn't it also true that only like 40-45% of trained lawyers actually practice law? Obviously there are other avenues. I'm only talking about the intellectual training. I found law school fascinating. And also difficult, which means something, because other forms of schooling were pathetically easy. I don't think it was worthless. I learned a lot. I just think, in hindsight, it wasn't the best mode of thinking ever invented. I wish I had gotten a biology Ph.D. instead.
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BradStevens
mcmurtry66 said:
Go look at the scene around big sec stadiums. Tenn Alabama. Tenn stadium was insane looking. Anyone that competitive would want to test himself and experience it. It’s just a different animal. But again I’m just profiling. Who knows
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The same fan base that think Indiana can land almost any basketball coach it wants because of the tradition and rabid, knowledgeable basketball fan base don’t want to admit that football coaches might be attracted to that as well.
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EJ Williams gone!

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4IUSox2 said:
I believe EJ was a 5-star out of HS when he signed at Clemson. And wasn’t McCulley a four when he came here, albeit as a qb? I wish them both well, unless they play IU in the future. But once again, our lower level guys from JMU and Ohio U, playing with a chip on their shoulder, have set such a tone of competition in that group, that the 2 holdovers (that I was very glad about them staying last winter) just weren’t up for the challenge. IDK where their former position coach, Grant Heard, ended up, but in hindsight, it’s pretty apparent, he didn’t exactly push these 2 guys to be their best.
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Heard didn’t coach either of these guys.
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I believe EJ was a 5-star out of HS when he signed at Clemson. And wasn’t McCulley a four when he came here, albeit as a qb? I wish them both well, unless they play IU in the future. But once again, our lower level guys from JMU and Ohio U, playing with a chip on their shoulder, have set such a tone of competition in that group, that the 2 holdovers (that I was very glad about them staying last winter) just weren’t up for the challenge. IDK where their former position coach, ended up, but in hindsight, it’s pretty apparent, he didn’t exactly push these 2 guys to be their best.
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Harry Hondo
Univee2 said:
I’m not sure you’re reading the room right.

We’re not saying we want him to leave. We fear that the pressure to “move up” to a perennial big-time program will be such that he’ll say, in effect, that this is just too big to ignore.
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Perhaps, but then he’ll have expectations set by tradition, which undoubtedly will be more stressful. Is making several million more a year worth it, when you can probably make enough at IU to be set and you can avoid stress that could cause health issues, especially at his age? Ask Urban Meyer about coaching at the highest level and health issues from stress. And frankly, he’s so good he can win a title at IU, especially with the portal at hand.
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Sage v Cuban

TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
Yeah I couldn’t disagree more. It forces you to be creative. It teaches you to interact with all types of people often during stressful conditions in an adversarial setting. It forces you to look at a problem from every angle. It exposes you to more things than any other field. You want to try a med mal case. You better understand the meds as well as a doctor. A construction case. The engineer. Etc.
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I don't think we will find accord on this. I understand what you are doing and thinking, but my opinion is that it's all an illusion, and you are just coming up with phantasms to explain why your own education is so valuable. I don't think it is. I think we were all snookered.
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TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
Those clients have choices. You think when mas hired floor he didn’t have other choices for his business. A hundred other firms champing at the bit? Law is insanely competitive and clients hold the purse strings. They are who judge
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None of that is responsive to the point I'm making or the topic we were discussing.

COH has this insane idea that the lawyerly thought process is superior to other thought processes. He's wrong. It's not only not superior, it's probably inferior. At the very most, it's average, on par with other ways of examining the world.
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TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
When I rag on legal training I do so in the context of running a business. It’s very different and of little aid. But legal training and practice absolutely trains your brain to think differently. On that I agree with coh
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That's what I thought going in. When I went to law school, I signed up for all the electives that would be useful for a business career.

It meant shit. None of that training was helpful. Going to the various Indiana.gov department websites is far more useful than having any of that training. I have a login for both the Courts portal and the DOL portal. Guess which one I use more.
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Univee2 said:
No, that all feels right. When your roster can change year-to-year how can you plan?
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That turnover thing may be part of what I'm feeling. Basketball players seem to be less patient than football players, insomuch as fewer basketballers would be willing to wait their turn and not play much until they are juniors or seniors. Also, would Isaiah have come back for his sophomore year in this day and age?
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TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
It’s training coupled with practice. Thousands of clients of all types. Contested matters. Depos. Conflict. Stress. Presenting trial shit. How to present based on the circumstances

I’ve deposed over 200 doctors. No chance if we include them as scientists. Very narrow thinking
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And your success in those matters is always judged by people who went through the same training you did. Whoop-dee-f*cking-doo.
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TheOriginalHappyGoat
mcmurtry66 said:
No here I do believe coh is right. It does impact how you evaluate matters. How you think about things. How you represent people you don’t like or don’t like what they’ve done etc. training and practice.
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I don't have the same flowery view of legal training you guys have. I think you're deluding yourselves. I think scientists are better at thinking than we are. I mean, they are just as big of assholes, but I think their thought process is superior.
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