kkott said:

Just needs to work out a functional rotation. Think I'd first sub Ballo and Carlyle and get a few more minutes out of Rice, who's a stabilizer and to me seems the most important for pace and flow. Then bring back Ballo and Carlyle with Galloway so you have 2 ball handlers in the backcourt and Ballo and Galloway have played well together in the PnR. Whatever it is, you can't have too many starters off the floor at once.

I'd just texted a buddy when it was like 21-5 how much better our D looked, and then it was like a switch flipped and it was a battle against old, bad tendencies for the rest of the game.

Still like Hatton and his effort when he comes in and think he'll find some minutes. I know one time I'd bring he, or Tucker or Goode in: when Reanu has a brain fart and walks away on the FT line without blocking out. Pine time.

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Or…he could sub based on each individual game. I know…novel idea.

This idea that you need to sub at a certain point in each game regardless of play is asinine.

Woody hasn’t figured that out.

Knight trying to win in Mackey for the first time in 74-75 season (that was a pretty talented team)…played the last 20 minutes without making a substitution

Stuffshot said:

Simplest explanation is usually the best.

Probably a case where too much money was on Indiana under the previous spread, so the bookies wanted to attract more money to the OSU side of the wager by making future IU bets less attractive.

Bookies are happy if half the bets are for each team -- they use the losing bets to pay the winners and take their cut out of the .5 number in the middle.

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when you go from 14 to 10 bookies have their asses exposed

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GeorgeStrait IU said:

Not starting a fight. Have you ever been hit in the nose? Or "squared up" for a figjt longer than 30seconds?
And I agree rhey were very disrespectul.

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been a long time, and they would be prohibitive favorites, but I would have the rage factor on my side, I hate all things Wisconsin.

rocketo said:

TG should get more of his minutes. Not sure if Trey is being limited due to his injury or maybe the turnovers he had, but he needs more floor time than Goode. Goode should be maybe 10 mins a game unless he’s on fire from deep.

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Regarding Goode ever being “on fire from deep” may prove to be a figment of one’s imagination, better relegated to a lost episode of Twilight Zone.

MG80 said:

Knight used to say, and it happened to his teams too at times, that players don't concentrate on the court as much as they need to. He also said that players think they are playing hard but that they're not. IMO it wasn't the substitutions as much as once getting the big lead they didn't play as hard or stick to the switching that was effective at the start on D, made terrible turnovers and took bad shots. How many times watching basketball have you seen a team jump out to a big lead to start a game, and the other team, probably not focused at the start or ready to play a big game, be flat as a door. Then suddenly, they raise their game, while the team ahead goes flat. It's mental. Yes, the coaches can't let this happen but the players have that responsibility too.

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All of these things can be true. And even the best coaches (RMK included, per your examples), can't get their guys to play consistently hard, focused, or clean basketball ALL the time.

But they can nip the L O N G E R stretches of lower energy and focus, sloppy play, etc... in the bud, by focusing on it early and often, and not allowing his teams to get away with the highs and lows in practices. 3+ years in now, it sure doesn't seem like Woodson has made consistency, in much of anything, a priority in his program. In nearly every single game they play, his teams have long, prolonged lulls and stretches of poor or uninspired play.

Of course some that responsibility is on the players. But he's had 4 pretty different casts of characters now, and we're seeing the same traits in all his groups. I think there's enough evidence to make a pretty good, educated call, that Woodson isn't very good at establishing consistency in his teams.

I think its a larger problem than just his substitution patterns. But it is a VERY well established...basically fact at this point...that his teams efficiencies fall off the map when he takes multiple starters out of the game at the same time. I get the need to tinker early on in the season, to see what guys can do playing with different teammates, in different situations. His mass subbing style doesn't really accomplish that though...and its very proven and established that it destroys our performance and our efficiency metrics. Which, unfortunately, are important.

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abraxis said:

The way he was playing, he shouldn’t have been.

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Played 15 minutes

BCCHoosier said:

You can't possibly watch this and think this is acceptable. The effort, the subbing, the approach to D, the sets.

What are the positives you see and please don't say we are 4-0. This schedule is a joke.

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Goalposts. My comment was on the hypocrisy of the fan base.

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Yogi's has a lot of TV's

I'm surprised it's gone down this much. It was up to 13.5 at one point on some sites. It's at 10.5 on FanDuel now. Stats show over 65% of the bets for both IU to cover and for IU on the ML. Both dropped overnight, but the spread has moved more than the ML. I like to wait to place my bets usually, but I'm regretting not placing mine for Sat when the spread was at 13.5 on Wed. I still think we win and I will be doing a double dip attempt by betting both the spread and the ML. If we win then I double dip, but if we lose and cover I break even.

VanPastorMan said:

You know he is also loving it. He is a PU grad.

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That may very well be, but I really don't get that vibe. I feel like he is somewhat annoyed by it. He was a little repetitive last night, but overall enjoy him.

IUNorth said:

Basically impossible for me to know if this is actually correct or not...but damn, it sure appears to be... Woodson doesn't take games like these seriously. And I think its a window in to how he approaches coaching, in general. He isn't a process guy, he doesn't focus on all the little details. He's a relationship guy, he probably focuses a lot on emotion, and he probably uses unrelatable terms like acting like a "grown man"...I can hear him saying things like..."If I need to teach you how to get in a defensive stance, you'll never make the league."

I know the NBA connections criticisms are over used, but at this point, I honestly wonder how much he's actually changed his views and fundamental beliefs from the bulk of his coaching days in the NBA. Because how he talks to the media, how he manages games, a large chunk of the stuff he runs, it really does come off as Carmelo Anthony Era Knicks bball.

I turned the game off last night after the 21-5 start evaporated. I'm sure he'll shorten the bench as the year wears on, its what he normally does. And I'm sure they'll have more energy and be more sharp for the bigger games coming up. But these sorts of coaching and player efforts, are how we'll lose to teams like Penn State and Northwestern in the dog days of the B10 schedule. Woodson won't approach them with urgency...and then as a result, the players won't either.

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Knight used to say, and it happened to his teams too at times, that players don't concentrate on the court as much as they need to. He also said that players think they are playing hard but that they're not. IMO it wasn't the substitutions as much as once getting the big lead they didn't play as hard or stick to the switching that was effective at the start on D, made terrible turnovers and took bad shots. How many times watching basketball have you seen a team jump out to a big lead to start a game, and the other team, probably not focused at the start or ready to play a big game, be flat as a door. Then suddenly, they raise their game, while the team ahead goes flat. It's mental. Yes, the coaches can't let this happen but the players have that responsibility too.

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IUNorth said:

I think its narrow minded to just say "football only". But that's how it usually works, I get it.

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I can't speak for others, but I know when I say football only, I mean no other sports use the facility. If we are talking about what you're advocating, medical and academic, then I'm totally onboard with that. It's still on campus and students should be able to get some use out of an investment that significant.

mattndallas said:

that thing's already looking pinkish from the sun exposure this year. 😄

Do we keep it up all winter when we win it all?

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Yes!

Here's an article that speaks to the topic:

kurt cloverdales said:

We haven't seen anything like what we're going to Saturday. The Mich 2nd half concerned a lot of people

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Michigan 2nd half was the best thing that happened to this team. A bit of a reality check and an opportunity out for the coaches to see what schemes they need to do a better job attacking.

IUNorth said:

I honestly believe that its a situation where the refs are posed with calling fouls or penalties on nearly every possession...or largely letting it go, and only then calling the most obvious or egregious penalties. For B10 bball, I think this phenomena started with the great Izzo 2000 ish teams basically becoming football teams. Refs making the decision to allow it rather than foul everyone out, and the entire league having to adjust... Its why the B10 has the reputation of being "too physical" nowadays.

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I agree with you on basketball but believe that Gene Keady started it in the Big Ten before Izzo was there. He was a football player and brought that mentality to Purdue.

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