Univee2 said:

No, that all feels right. When your roster can change year-to-year how can you plan?

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That turnover thing may be part of what I'm feeling. Basketball players seem to be less patient than football players, insomuch as fewer basketballers would be willing to wait their turn and not play much until they are juniors or seniors. Also, would Isaiah have come back for his sophomore year in this day and age?

mcmurtry66 said:

It’s training coupled with practice. Thousands of clients of all types. Contested matters. Depos. Conflict. Stress. Presenting trial shit. How to present based on the circumstances

I’ve deposed over 200 doctors. No chance if we include them as scientists. Very narrow thinking

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And your success in those matters is always judged by people who went through the same training you did. Whoop-dee-f*cking-doo.

stollcpa said:

Every attack on Harris is dishonest and every attack on Trump is TRUTH. 🤦

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Both should try honesty. There’s plenty of harmful truth out there. 👍🏽

mcmurtry66 said:

No here I do believe coh is right. It does impact how you evaluate matters. How you think about things. How you represent people you don’t like or don’t like what they’ve done etc. training and practice.

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I don't have the same flowery view of legal training you guys have. I think you're deluding yourselves. I think scientists are better at thinking than we are. I mean, they are just as big of assholes, but I think their thought process is superior.

sweetsilence said:

@stollcpa and @Univee2
Coach Cignetti is here to stay. Trust me.

Don't forget his dad was a HOF Coach at IUPA

Seriously though, if you've watched anything from him you'll see he's pissed.

He's out to prove something. Look what he's already done. Is that no eneogh? For ****s sake

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I’m not sure you’re reading the room right.

We’re not saying we want him to leave. We fear that the pressure to “move up” to a perennial big-time program will be such that he’ll say, in effect, that this is just too big to ignore.

mcmurtry66 said:

Oh absolutely. But I can still objectively evaluate things. I can hate someone and recognize they’re still a better candidate. Maybe it’s law school training. I did get the highest grade in law and psychology

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I get it. I had the same kind of training. I got a 175 on my LSAT. Do you see me arguing cases before SCOTUS or making bank on CNN or Fox News? Scores and grades don't mean shit. They just show that you're good at filling in boxes.

mcmurtry66 said:

We’ll have to disagree. It’s pretty stupid to pretend you’re not moved by emotions when you’re obsessed

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No, it just means you're not seeing clearly because of your emotions. That doesn't make you stupid. It means you lack objectivity on the issue at hand, for sure, but it doesn't mean you're stupid.

mcmurtry66 said:

No but I’m not driven by emotion. I can objectively recognize both candidates are liars 😉

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You are absolutely driven by emotion. I've seen you go off on posters you have an emotional dislike for. Hell, I think Mark gave you a timeout for it once, you got so crazy. That was pure emotion on your part.

mcmurtry66 said:

@Aloha Hoosier obseesive hatred evinces emotion. To pretend otherwise is stupid. To feign like he’s emotionless is stupid

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He's not emotionless, but he's also not stupid.

stollcpa said:

It’s okay to brag a little. 😂

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To be serious for a moment, I don't think it is. I think we need more humility in this world.

DANC said:

I have no idea what that is.

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IU HIckory

secondasky said:

Know why IUPricory was cancelled ?

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I have no idea what that is.

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UncleMark said:

I have no idea where I got this notion and understand it doesn't make any sense, but for some reason it feels like the whole portal/NIL/transfer thing that has changed college sports has been more detrimental to basketball that football. Maybe it's nothing more than a function of the roster size differences between the two. Or maybe it's my perception that the emphasis on social media "fame" is greater with basketball players than footballers.

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No, that all feels right. When your roster can change year-to-year how can you plan?

mcmurtry66 said:

And what I’ve said about you is objectively true. That you’re too stupid to recognize it is on you. The dishonesty you go on about with trump is in our face with Harris. She’s running ads during Monday night fball that trump will implement a national ban on abortion and project 2025 if elected. He has disavowed both a thousand times. Did you miss those ads? Or are you so emotionally vested in trump hate that you have blinders on?

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You believe Trump? 😉 I also don’t watch political ads on TV.

I don’t see Cig leaving Indiana for a blue blood program except maybe Alabama who I would be shocked if they fire Deboer after 1 year. Cig comes off to me as someone who likes the challenge of building something up and most blue blood football programs don’t offer that same challenge. He also has never been one and done at any previous stop. I think Cig stays at least for a few more seasons, but I do hope the boosters help Indiana ante up on this staff. I hope we can keep the staff in place and stave off any lateral job moves. I can see Shanahan and/or Haines getting offers after this season and hope they stay unless offered a head gig although I do think the offense will be fine if Tino takes the reins as OC. It is less clear to me what we do for defense other than an outside hire if we lose Haines.

If Alabama does inexplicably fire Deboer I would happily take him in as a trade if necessary. I don’t blame him for Alabama’s struggles this year except maybe his decision to make Sheridan his OC. Alabama is a complicated situation. I think Cig’s immediate success is due to his ability to flip the roster with so many players who know his system and coaching style. Deboer didn’t have that opportunity at Alabama. I mean are you going to push out a bunch of 5 star players to bring in players from Washington and maybe Fresno State? I don’t think that would have gone over well, but that’s the blueprint he would have had to follow to duplicate Cigs short term success and even the success he had a Washington. I think long term Deboer will have Alabama back in the title hunt and would be a perfect fall back plan if Alabama tries to pursue Cig because their fan base feels entitled and is impatient.

mcmurtry66 said:

Set his kids and grandkids and great grandkids up for life. IU will have to pay $$$$

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He's well on his way there with his current contract. IU, of course, will pay extra, but once you get up in the $40-$50 million range, is $10 or $20 million more all that?

I guess that's just me - if I've got enough money that I need to hire a staff to take care of my portfolio, I feel I've made it. Why take on the extra hassle and risk of going to another place (see Kalen Deboer).

It all boils down to the age old question: when is enough, enough?

mcmurtry66 said:

And what I’ve said about you is objectively true. That you’re too stupid to recognize it is on you. The dishonesty you go on about with trump is in our face with Harris. She’s running ads during Monday night fball that trump will implement a national ban on abortion and project 2025 if elected. He has disavowed both a thousand times. Did you miss those ads? Or are you so emotionally vested in trump hate that you have blinders on?

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Aloha is almost obsessive with his Trump hatred at this point, but you're an idiot if you think that means he's stupid. He's got twenty years of posting here that proves he's not stupid.

Don't be like that.

@stollcpa and @Univee2
Coach Cignetti is here to stay. Trust me.

Don't forget his dad was a HOF Coach at IUPA

Seriously though, if you've watched anything from him you'll see he's pissed.

He's out to prove something. Look what he's already done. Is that no eneogh? For ****s sake

stollcpa said:

Come on man, give it up! What’s the number? 😂

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Don’t want to gloat.

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sweetsilence said:

I'm going to have to disagree a bit. The portal has helped

But coach Cignetti is just that freaking good

He won before portal existed. Google him.

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Yes, he’s great, but all of these stars from JMU would need to sit a year before transferring without the portal. Cignetti would no doubt turn the program around, but not by game 7 in his first year without the portal.

stollcpa said:

In Daviess & Martin County Indiana the Bishops make many of the rules. I’ll give you some examples. This would have been when I was in my teens. I could give you many more.

Some Bishops allowed rubber tires on tractors, some didn’t. Some bishops allowed a one row corn picker pulled by a tractor but run by a gas engine. Others made the folks shuck their corn at harvest (I’ve worked that job). Some bishops allowed phone booths in the barnyard. Some allowed the phone booth in the barnyard with the phone connected to a ringer in the house.

My parents were raised Amish part of their lives. I lived my entire youth in the middle of the Amish with Amish neighbors on all sides and interacted daily.

To this day I’d guess my office has far more than 1,500 Amish clients. I’ve seen more stuff than you can imagine. One of the clients is my Amish neighbor that I asked him he was going to jump out of the car if Christ returned while I was speeding towards Vincennes with him in the car. I was at an Amish wake a few months ago. He and I sat for 30 minutes talking about old times. I reminded him when he fetched my brother out of his hog sh!t pit and saved him from drowning. He loved it when I reminded him about paying me a penny for every nail I pulled out of a bunch of old lumber he bought. 10-15 others guys were gathered around laughing at the stories. I didn’t remind him about the car story. 😂 Not the time or place. 😂

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This is not correct, at least here in Daviess county.

Each district decides for themselves what they will or will not allow and it’s brought up and voted on in church.

I can’t speak for anywhere else or how it was when you were there, but I know for a fact that’s how it is now.

Univee2 said:

Money talks; bullshit walks.

If Florida or Florida State were to come up with crazy money he’d be a fool not to leave.

And I get it about his age and “his wife loves Bloomington” but you don’t/can’t walk away from fvck you money.

It would a nice story were he to say something to the effect that “IU gave me this opportunity at a power 5 spot and I intend to honor my commitment so I’m here for the duration” but this isn’t a Hallmark movie.

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He's not leaving

stollcpa said:

If Cig leaves after one year, we will be nothing again. We need great 3-5 year run to keep great momentum.

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He's not leaving