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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

Aloha Hoosier
CO. Hoosier said:
I actually was interested in hearing why a conservative would vote for Harris. In that spirit I listened. I bailed after a few minutes because Frum started talkin about Trump .

We are up to our eyeballs in Trump
Is a piece of shit arguments. They are not persuasive. They are substantially vapid nothings based on 1. J6 or 2. He’s an asshole. Neither would cause me to have Harris be President.

I can make the case why Trump, with all faults, should be president and never mention Harris in that argument. I’m yet to hear a similar argument for Harris, with the possible exception of those who simply want any woman in office.
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I honestly do not understand that you do not understand that Trump is supremely unqualified for the office. You and I have been pretty much lockstep on GOP politics for something like 25 years, Trump just doesn’t fit into what I/we previously would ever consider as a Republican candidate for President. Am I wrong, or has one of us changed? I very strongly don’t think I have.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

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BradStevens said:
I don't think it's realistic to say in an election between two people you can make the case for one without comparing them to their opponent.
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Why would you say that? You don’t think that “neither” is a valid choice?

I think it’s a perfectly valid choice. In fact, for me, it’s easily the best choice in this election.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

BradStevens
CO. Hoosier said:
I actually was interested in hearing why a conservative would vote for Harris. In that spirit I listened. I bailed after a few minutes because Frum started talkin about Trump .

We are up to our eyeballs in Trump
Is a piece of shit arguments. They are not persuasive. They are substantially vapid nothings based on 1. J6 or 2. He’s an asshole. Neither would cause me to have Harris be President.

I can make the case why Trump, with all faults, should be president and never mention Harris in that argument. I’m yet to hear a similar argument for Harris, with the possible exception of those who simply want any woman in office.
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I don't think J6 is a "vapid nothing."

The interviewer asks Frum quite clearly at the beginning of the interview whether his case is a positive one for Harris or a negative one against Trump holding office again, and he clearly says the latter. I don't understand why that would cause you to bail.

I don't think it's realistic to say in an election between two people you can make the case for one without comparing them to their opponent.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

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BradStevens said:
No, he says he's voting for Harris because he doesn't want Trump to win.
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Yeah, but he was also trying to sell Harris to Trumpophobic conservatives (as opposed to simply doing what I’m doing in throwing off).

On that part, he made a poor argument. There’s a fine case to be made for conservatives to not vote for Trump — starting with the fact that he isn’t a conservative.

But I’ve never heard a good case for a conservative to vote for Harris. She was one of the left-most members of the Senate. May as well argue in favor of voting for Sanders…if he was Trump’s opponent.

Voting 3rd party (or not voting at all) is always an option.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

Aloha Hoosier
stollcpa said:
Conservative Aloha hates Trump so much he’s fine risking two liberal socialists running this country and democrats controlling the House and Senate. That’s total irrational and irresponsible thought in my conservative humble opinion.
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Stoll, they aren’t actually socialists. There is a definition of that word and Harris isn’t a socialist. She’s a straight stick liberal and I don’t agree with her policies. However, she and the Democrats aren’t enemies, they’re Americans of a different party. Do some reading about the political discord of our early years embodied by Adam’s and Jefferson. They worked it out and even died in the same day. It happened to be July 4th.
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Aloha Hoosier said:
It’s obviously true for what many like me would do. The most important thing is Trump loses IMO. A very widespread opinion. If I lived in GA or WI I’d be voting for Harris. Would vote for Republicans down ballot. Have to say I’m not keen on Moreno here in OH. Way too MAGA. I’ll send in my ballot tomorrow.
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Well, Aloha, of course you can do whatever you want to do.

But you wrote “In some states you either have to vote for Trump or Harris because it’s close.”

It’s not at all true that somebody who lives in a swing state must vote for one or the other. That’s absurd. Of course somebody can decide they aren’t going to vote for either one, wherever they live or however close the election is in their state.
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kurt cloverdales said:
yep, nothing to worry about, pigs get fed hogs get slaughtered
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There may be - there may not be. It really depends on the nature of their dealings, doesn’t it?

My point is that there’s nothing shocking or surprising about a global business leader having conversations with foreign leaders of governments. Nobody would care…if he wasn’t front and center in the presidential election.

I remember when Rex Tillerson was getting this same stupid treatment about Putin during his confirmation hearings.

Uh…yeah, he was the CEO of ExxonMobil. It’s not very surprising that he would have dealings with the president of one of the world’s largest oil/gas exporters.

These idiots were implying he was Alger Hiss for this.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

Aloha Hoosier
snarlcakes said:
Your opinion doesn’t matter. You voted for Biden. There are plenty of Cheney types who are nothing more than rent seeking cronies who suck off the teat of Government.

As for myself, elect a majority of people like myself and find out. Half the military will be gone, I’ll cut regulations equal to the amount of Purdue titles, and @UncleMark will be working 3 jobs after I slash SS. And because I have great taste, it will be legal to hit all cyclists in roads wearing tights @outside shooter.

Oh, and we’re buying a shittttttt ton of Bitcoin. I’d have this f#cking country humming right along. You liberal nannies would be crying yourselves to sleep after my first month in office.
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Luckily you’re even more irrelevant than I am as a twice retired civilian.
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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

Aloha Hoosier
crazed_hoosier2 said:
Well, Aloha’s premise is that somebody living in a swing state has to vote for one or the other. And that’s obviously not true.

Many people in the swing states will be voting for somebody other than Trump or Harris. I don’t even understand why he said that.
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It’s obviously true for what many like me would do. The most important thing is Trump loses IMO. A very widespread opinion. If I lived in GA or WI I’d be voting for Harris. Would vote for Republicans down ballot. Have to say I’m not keen on Moreno here in OH. Way too MAGA. I’ll send in my ballot tomorrow.
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Traitor Musk

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crazed_hoosier2 said:
This is as dumb as people throwing shade at Tim Walz for having connections in the CCP.

Walz is the governor of a state. We do gobs of business with China. It stands to reason that Walz would have contacts in the Chinese government. It doesn’t make him a Chinese agent - as some wacky people here suggested.

It also stands to reason that Elon Musk would have contacts with Russia and China. His companies do business around the globe, for chrissakes.

Things like this are why we call this time of year silly season. People get bent out of shape over silly things…and look silly because of it.
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yep, nothing to worry about, pigs get fed hogs get slaughtered
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