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Tucker Carlson 1/6 tapes

Ok. Try to stay focused for a second. Seems you're commenting on Jan 6 and the QAnon Shaman. Try to avoid references to BLM, TDS, antifa, Code Pink or anything else that's wholly irrelevant. Challenge my facts if they're wrong, but don't veer off into the Land of Fallacy and False Equivalence:
Here I thought precedent mattered in legal questions....
  • The Shaman was one of the first to illegally enter the United States Capitol while Congress was certifying the election of a new president.
And he was charged with parading and obstructing Congress. Something that lefty loons have been doing for at least 2 decades and they are arrested and put back onto the street.
  • He carried a spear.
Wasn't charged with using a deadly weapon.
  • He used a bullhorn, was inciting the crowd and was acting as a leader.
Wasn't charged with incitement.
  • He left a threatening note for Mike Pence.
I had not heard that. I know that some others did that day. Should be looked into to see how credible the threat was. Also should be treated like threats against the Supreme Court (which happened after 1/6) when RvW was overturned (or about to be.)
  • He was shirtless on a cold January day. He dressed, looked and talked like someone who was unstable and was understandably perceived by cops as a threat.
So threatening they had him separated from the group and didn't quietly arrest him away from everyone else when they had him outnumbered 9 or 10 to 1 when he was getting his guided cop tour right to the Senate floor. I don't think he was perceived as dangerous as you want to say. Crazy? Totally. You don't let a dangerous person roam around when you have an easy chance to arrest him or escort him to an area where he is easier to lock down as opposed to an area where "the leader" gets a "leader" moment to rile up his followers. With thia guy in particular, the rhetoric doesn't logically follow the actions.
  • Tom Manger, Chief of the Capitol Police, said that law enforcement, who were badly outnumbered by the mob, engaged him in an effort to de-escalate a dangerous situation that was quickly spiraling out of control.
That is fair when a big crowd is present. 2 or 3 cops walked this guy, by himself, past 6 to 8 other cops who were in riot gear while they were taking him to the Senate floor. If this dude was a true leader, they could have arrested him and squirreled him away to a secure area and next to noone would have known he was gone.
  • He was subsequently arrested.
Yeah
  • He was represented by counsel.
Mmhmm
  • He entered a guilty plea.
After almost a year in solitary confinement. "Sign your confession or spend your life in the hole!!!!"
  • He said his conduct that day was "indefensible." "I have no excuse. No excuse whatsoever."
He shouldn't, but again, this was after a year of solitary confinement.
  • He was sentenced to 41 months, the low end of the 41 to 51 months suggested by the federal sentencing guidelines for the crime.
And yet Code Pink people find themselves back on the streets in a day.
  • You want to whitewash what he did and make him a martyr.
He isn't a martyr, he is a moron. That doesn't negate my point.

This won't make much sense to you but I will put it out there again anyway. I don't agree with what the protesters did. They weren't in the right. However, I have sat back for most of my life and have periodically watched Democrat voters, leftists, and people who ally with that side of the political aisle act a damn fool over things as small as a bunch of world leaders showing up into town. Property destruction, theft, beatings, murder...all of this is explained away because for whatever reason leftists aren't supposed to act like civilized adults when shit doesn't go their way. The one time the right gets out of pocket they get the Gulag treatment. Meanwhile it is catch and release in most instances for the left. Yeah, the protestors did something wrong and I keep hearing how people like you and Hickory totally support going after left leaning people who act out and it never. ****ing. Happens.

That is my point. I refuse to live in a two tier system of justice where these idiots get solitary confinement and those idiots get to go home the next day for doing the exact same shit. "It was certifying an election." Who the **** cares. Congressional business is congressional business. If interrupting work is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, I want to see more of the professional activists on the left getting real time. It is as simplistic as that.

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5 to 6 months separated these events. Those were labeled as "mostly peaceful" and we were supposed to allow people to have the space to air their grievances. I can go back and post what happened election night in 2016 and inauguration day in 2017. And yes, this is a whatabout because I think the whatabout matters. If you accept the punishments meted out and the "mostly peaceful" nature of one of these thing sin July, August, and September of 2020 and in November 2016 and January 2017, then it becomes harder to defend the treatment of the people in January 2021 as being commiserate with how we handle civil disobedience. When you cheer that behavior in 2020 as well and good because they are the favorable people, the disfavored will see that same behavior as accepted forms of protest.

Bottom line, I hope these people are "punished" as much as any of you hope lefties get punished for doing the same shit. Which is not much at all.
 
Here I thought precedent mattered in legal questions....

And he was charged with parading and obstructing Congress. Something that lefty loons have been doing for at least 2 decades and they are arrested and put back onto the street.

Wasn't charged with using a deadly weapon.

Wasn't charged with incitement.

I had not heard that. I know that some others did that day. Should be looked into to see how credible the threat was. Also should be treated like threats against the Supreme Court (which happened after 1/6) when RvW was overturned (or about to be.)

So threatening they had him separated from the group and didn't quietly arrest him away from everyone else when they had him outnumbered 9 or 10 to 1 when he was getting his guided cop tour right to the Senate floor. I don't think he was perceived as dangerous as you want to say. Crazy? Totally. You don't let a dangerous person roam around when you have an easy chance to arrest him or escort him to an area where he is easier to lock down as opposed to an area where "the leader" gets a "leader" moment to rile up his followers. With thia guy in particular, the rhetoric doesn't logically follow the actions.

That is fair when a big crowd is present. 2 or 3 cops walked this guy, by himself, past 6 to 8 other cops who were in riot gear while they were taking him to the Senate floor. If this dude was a true leader, they could have arrested him and squirreled him away to a secure area and next to noone would have known he was gone.

Yeah

Mmhmm

After almost a year in solitary confinement. "Sign your confession or spend your life in the hole!!!!"

He shouldn't, but again, this was after a year of solitary confinement.

And yet Code Pink people find themselves back on the streets in a day.

He isn't a martyr, he is a moron. That doesn't negate my point.

This won't make much sense to you but I will put it out there again anyway. I don't agree with what the protesters did. They weren't in the right. However, I have sat back for most of my life and have periodically watched Democrat voters, leftists, and people who ally with that side of the political aisle act a damn fool over things as small as a bunch of world leaders showing up into town. Property destruction, theft, beatings, murder...all of this is explained away because for whatever reason leftists aren't supposed to act like civilized adults when shit doesn't go their way. The one time the right gets out of pocket they get the Gulag treatment. Meanwhile it is catch and release in most instances for the left. Yeah, the protestors did something wrong and I keep hearing how people like you and Hickory totally support going after left leaning people who act out and it never. ****ing. Happens.

That is my point. I refuse to live in a two tier system of justice where these idiots get solitary confinement and those idiots get to go home the next day for doing the exact same shit. "It was certifying an election." Who the **** cares. Congressional business is congressional business. If interrupting work is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, I want to see more of the professional activists on the left getting real time. It is as simplistic as that.

And you cannot divorce this:



From this:













5 to 6 months separated these events. Those were labeled as "mostly peaceful" and we were supposed to allow people to have the space to air their grievances. I can go back and post what happened election night in 2016 and inauguration day in 2017. And yes, this is a whatabout because I think the whatabout matters. If you accept the punishments meted out and the "mostly peaceful" nature of one of these thing sin July, August, and September of 2020 and in November 2016 and January 2017, then it becomes harder to defend the treatment of the people in January 2021 as being commiserate with how we handle civil disobedience. When you cheer that behavior in 2020 as well and good because they are the favorable people, the disfavored will see that same behavior as accepted forms of protest.

Bottom line, I hope these people are "punished" as much as any of you hope lefties get punished for doing the same shit. Which is not much at all.
Most of us with left-leaning sympathies think criminal justice should consider mental illness as a mitigating factor in imprisonment. I don’t hear much of that from the left for the Shaman and that’s a shame. He was uninformed and misinformed and probably not a high IQ but also mentally ill.

The Jan. 6th riot that entered the Capitol was a national embarrassment. One can acknowledge that and also want justice to be meted out on an individual basis, taking into account the state of mind and mental health of the individual law breakers (same goes for those who broke the law during George Floyd protests).
 
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Here I thought precedent mattered in legal questions....

And he was charged with parading and obstructing Congress. Something that lefty loons have been doing for at least 2 decades and they are arrested and put back onto the street.

Wasn't charged with using a deadly weapon.

Wasn't charged with incitement.

I had not heard that. I know that some others did that day. Should be looked into to see how credible the threat was. Also should be treated like threats against the Supreme Court (which happened after 1/6) when RvW was overturned (or about to be.)

So threatening they had him separated from the group and didn't quietly arrest him away from everyone else when they had him outnumbered 9 or 10 to 1 when he was getting his guided cop tour right to the Senate floor. I don't think he was perceived as dangerous as you want to say. Crazy? Totally. You don't let a dangerous person roam around when you have an easy chance to arrest him or escort him to an area where he is easier to lock down as opposed to an area where "the leader" gets a "leader" moment to rile up his followers. With thia guy in particular, the rhetoric doesn't logically follow the actions.

That is fair when a big crowd is present. 2 or 3 cops walked this guy, by himself, past 6 to 8 other cops who were in riot gear while they were taking him to the Senate floor. If this dude was a true leader, they could have arrested him and squirreled him away to a secure area and next to noone would have known he was gone.

Yeah

Mmhmm

After almost a year in solitary confinement. "Sign your confession or spend your life in the hole!!!!"

He shouldn't, but again, this was after a year of solitary confinement.

And yet Code Pink people find themselves back on the streets in a day.

He isn't a martyr, he is a moron. That doesn't negate my point.

This won't make much sense to you but I will put it out there again anyway. I don't agree with what the protesters did. They weren't in the right. However, I have sat back for most of my life and have periodically watched Democrat voters, leftists, and people who ally with that side of the political aisle act a damn fool over things as small as a bunch of world leaders showing up into town. Property destruction, theft, beatings, murder...all of this is explained away because for whatever reason leftists aren't supposed to act like civilized adults when shit doesn't go their way. The one time the right gets out of pocket they get the Gulag treatment. Meanwhile it is catch and release in most instances for the left. Yeah, the protestors did something wrong and I keep hearing how people like you and Hickory totally support going after left leaning people who act out and it never. ****ing. Happens.

That is my point. I refuse to live in a two tier system of justice where these idiots get solitary confinement and those idiots get to go home the next day for doing the exact same shit. "It was certifying an election." Who the **** cares. Congressional business is congressional business. If interrupting work is punishable by up to 4 years in prison, I want to see more of the professional activists on the left getting real time. It is as simplistic as that.

And you cannot divorce this:



From this:













5 to 6 months separated these events. Those were labeled as "mostly peaceful" and we were supposed to allow people to have the space to air their grievances. I can go back and post what happened election night in 2016 and inauguration day in 2017. And yes, this is a whatabout because I think the whatabout matters. If you accept the punishments meted out and the "mostly peaceful" nature of one of these thing sin July, August, and September of 2020 and in November 2016 and January 2017, then it becomes harder to defend the treatment of the people in January 2021 as being commiserate with how we handle civil disobedience. When you cheer that behavior in 2020 as well and good because they are the favorable people, the disfavored will see that same behavior as accepted forms of protest.

Bottom line, I hope these people are "punished" as much as any of you hope lefties get punished for doing the same shit. Which is not much at all.
This was a breach of the United States Capitol by a huge, angry, violent mob that badly outnumbered law enforcement. There is no precedent for this unless you count the British attack on the Capitol (under construction at the time) during the War of 1812.

Many in the mob were targeting members of Congress and Pence. Your favorite martyr, the Shaman, screamed "Time's up, motherfvckers!" as he entered a chamber. Pence had to be quickly escorted to a secure location. Lawmakers, including the very fleet-of-foot Josh Hawley, were literally running for their lives. It's a credit to the bravery, restraint and professionalism of law enforcement that there weren't many deaths that day.

Code Pink members, mostly women, are disruptive and some, as John McCain once said, are "low-life scum." There have been incidents where they've been arrested, and rightly so. Refresh my recollection, though, of any incident in the Capitol where they numbered more than 10 or 15, injured cops, or posed a physical threat to anyone.

Doesn't matter what I think but I'll say it anyway. I think you're probably pretty bright. I also think you're an ideologue. That's why you invariably resort to false equivalences in defense of your side, and you're not able to objectively weigh the evidence.

Edit: I didn't endorse or "cheer" any lawless behavior in 2020, and it's pretty shitty of you to suggest otherwise. I was sickened by the rioting, the looting, the fires, etc. I've said repeatedly here that the people who broke the law during the 2020 protests should be arrested and charged.

Because you're such an ideologue you assume everyone else is. You're wrong.
 
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Most of us with left-leaning sympathies think criminal justice should consider mental illness as a mitigating factor in imprisonment. I don’t hear much of that from the left for the Shaman and that’s a shame. He was uninformed and misinformed and probably not a high IQ but also mentally ill.

The Jan. 6th riot that entered the Capitol was a national embarrassment. One can acknowledge that and also want justice to be meted out on an individual basis, taking into account the state of mind and mental health of the individual law breakers (same goes for those who broke the law during George Floyd protests).

Has anyone on left actually said anything about whether or not the shaman's punishment should be lessened due to his mental state?

Most comments that I have seen are just that posters on the left saying that people on Jan 6 broke the law and should face consequences. I haven't seen much debate on the insanity plea and how much of a mitigating factor that should be in punishment.

I don't know his mental state other than his crazy choice in attire. Is his mental state so poor that he didn't know the difference between right and wrong?

Every person should get their day in court and have a judge or jury determine guilt and sanity. I don’t believe many have ever said otherwise.
 
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Most of us with left-leaning sympathies think criminal justice should consider mental illness as a mitigating factor in imprisonment. I don’t hear much of that from the left for the Shaman and that’s a shame. He was uninformed and misinformed and probably not a high IQ but also mentally ill.

The Jan. 6th riot that entered the Capitol was a national embarrassment. One can acknowledge that and also want justice to be meted out on an individual basis, taking into account the state of mind and mental health of the individual law breakers (same goes for those who broke the law during George Floyd protests).
To me it is more than just individual treatment. My perception is that if this was a bunch of left wing protestors that there wouldn't have been the same treatment. I base that on just recent history from Trump's election night win on through the DOJ saying they couldn't go after people harassing Supreme Court Justices and performing arson attacks on pro-life centers because they "do their dirty deeds in the dark".


The perception, if not the reality, from where I sit is that there are two levels of justice depending on what side of an issue one takes. I think the 1/6 protestors were treated at a level far above most of their crimes because of political reasons. If that is how it is going to be, I want the same treatment for the political people on the other side I find distasteful. If it is wrong to act because of our distaste for the individual committing the crime, then it shoukd be for the 1/6 people who "paraded" too.

What they did wasn't right. What they did wasn't any less right than the half a dozen other videos I posted.
 
Edit: I didn't endorse or "cheer" any lawless behavior in 2020, and it's pretty shitty of you to suggest otherwise. I was sickened by the rioting, the looting, the fires, etc. I've said repeatedly here that the people who broke the law during the 2020 protests should be arrested and charged.

We never seem to get around to that though do we...well, beyond some probation and you better behave next time you silly kids.
 
"whatever crime she was committing didn't deserve a death penalty which is what the officer gave her."

She was warned not to attempt to broach the barricade, All of the other rioters complied, but she chose not to. The officer fired one shot...

On the other hand, Jacob Blake was attempting to get in his car and drive away in Kenosha when the officer shot him in the back and side 7 times. Even if the officer feared that Blake was going to grab a knife and attack him, 7 shots into an unarmed man is sort of overkill.

Blake survived, but the officer clearly applied deadly force. Since you feel that Babbit's crimes didn't deserve a death penalty, would you extend the same compassion to Blake? If not, I'm curious as to why you'd make the distinction...
Liar. Blake was reaching for a knife in his floorboard while disobeying orders from police. They tased him twice and it didn’t stop him.

That was clearly justified shooting and none of the officers involved faced any discipline over it.
 
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Liar. Blake was reaching for a knife in his floorboard while disobeying orders from police. They tased him twice and it didn’t stop him.

That was clearly justified shooting and none of the officers involved faced any discipline over it.

So shooting him in the back/side 7 times when he brought a knife to a gun fight was justified?

What was your opinion on the Babbitt shooting again?
 
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Sh!t the refs around here foul me out before the first half even begins. Hell at least they let me back in the game on this one. Alas I have to quote the butt wipe that prolly t'ed me up and gave me a 5th foul.

The best response to the idiots is no response at all. I learned that the hard way.

Word!

I had no idea this thread still had legs. The fact that it does just goes to show how mentally duped people are.

I heard Netflix is going to do another Trump impeachment from the basement of congress. Set your DVR's everyone!

The cast? I'm prolly leaving out a few

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This was a breach of the United States Capitol by a huge, angry, violent mob that badly outnumbered law enforcement. There is no precedent for this unless you count the British attack on the Capitol (under construction at the time) during the War of 1812.

Many in the mob were targeting members of Congress and Pence. Your favorite martyr, the Shaman, screamed "Time's up, motherfvckers!" as he entered a chamber. Pence had to be quickly escorted to a secure location. Lawmakers, including the very fleet-of-foot Josh Hawley, were literally running for their lives. It's a credit to the bravery, restraint and professionalism of law enforcement that there weren't many deaths that day.

Code Pink members, mostly women, are disruptive and some, as John McCain once said, are "low-life scum." There have been incidents where they've been arrested, and rightly so. Refresh my recollection, though, of any incident in the Capitol where they numbered more than 10 or 15, injured cops, or posed a physical threat to anyone.

Doesn't matter what I think but I'll say it anyway. I think you're probably pretty bright. I also think you're an ideologue. That's why you invariably resort to false equivalences in defense of your side, and you're not able to objectively weigh the evidence.

Edit: I didn't endorse or "cheer" any lawless behavior in 2020, and it's pretty shitty of you to suggest otherwise. I was sickened by the rioting, the looting, the fires, etc. I've said repeatedly here that the people who broke the law during the 2020 protests should be arrested and charged.

Because you're such an ideologue you assume everyone else is. You're wrong.
Not exactly the same but a mob tried to burn down the federal courthouse in Portland just 2 years ago.
 
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If I'm thinking of the same case, the girl who set the fire was arrested and found guilty and is serving four years.

Are we sure she wasn't just a tourist? The poor girl was just trying to start a fire so she could see the sights at night and it just got out of hand

Joking by the way.
 
Sh!t the refs around here foul me out before the first half even begins. Hell at least they let me back in the game on this one. Alas I have to quote the butt wipe that prolly t'ed me up and gave me a 5th foul.

The best response to the idiots is no response at all. I learned that the hard way.

Word!

I had no idea this thread still had legs. The fact that it does just goes to show how mentally duped people are.

I heard Netflix is going to do another Trump impeachment from the basement of congress. Set your DVR's everyone!

The cast? I'm prolly leaving out a few

FrKN0v5aMAIZcPt
It’s a pattern we know well. They make an absurd assertion linking msnbc. Depending on the time of day and shift, you or a teammate appear to refute it. They feel challenged. Then by the 4th post cornered. Not long after overwhelmed. So they resort to blocking you. Trying to cancel your message. When that fails they publicly announce that they will ignore you. That’s when reality sets in and we know that they’ve been SMOKED OUT!!!
 
It’s a pattern we know well. They make an absurd assertion linking msnbc. Depending on the time of day and shift, you or a teammate appear to refute it. They feel challenged. Then by the 4th post cornered. Not long after overwhelmed. So they resort to blocking you. Trying to cancel your message. When that fails they publicly announce that they will ignore you. That’s when reality sets in and we know that they’ve been SMOKED OUT!!!
Have I reminded you recently that you're an unapologetic enabler of the highest degree?
 
It’s a pattern we know well. They make an absurd assertion linking msnbc. Depending on the time of day and shift, you or a teammate appear to refute it. They feel challenged. Then by the 4th post cornered. Not long after overwhelmed. So they resort to blocking you. Trying to cancel your message. When that fails they publicly announce that they will ignore you. That’s when reality sets in and we know that they’ve been SMOKED OUT!!!
They can't help it...To understand one must read Walter Lippman, Edward Bernays, Herbert Krugman and others. They are proof that the research and experiments they conducted works. Especially propaganda! I feel sorry for them. The Christian side of me tries to get through, but its all for naught. Oh well. :)
 
They can't help it...To understand one must read Walter Lippman, Edward Bernays, Herbert Krugman and others. They are proof that the research and experiments they conducted works. Especially propaganda! I feel sorry for them. The Christian side of me tries to get through, but its all for naught. Oh well. :)
Might not be God’s work but I imagine it’s close
 
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The one time the right gets out of pocket they get the Gulag treatment. Meanwhile it is catch and release in most instances for the left.
Makes me think back to Juicy Smullet. Found guilty, wasted multiple resources trying to paint a bad picture on Trump and sentenced. Then jail was to hard on him and was let out... HOW THE EFFF does that happen?
I bet he did live up to the name Juicy in the pen though. That's a little justice I guess.
 
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Makes me think back to Juicy Smullet. Found guilty, wasted multiple resources trying to paint a bad picture on Trump and sentenced. Then jail was to hard on him and was let out... HOW THE EFFF does that happen?
I bet he did live up to the name Juicy in the pen though. That's a little justice I guess.
Thank you for that laugh. Ohhhh my lets all revisit that one shall we. LMAO

 
Liar. Blake was reaching for a knife in his floorboard while disobeying orders from police. They tased him twice and it didn’t stop him.

That was clearly justified shooting and none of the officers involved faced any discipline over it.
You can tell they all watched MSNBC yesterday, can't you?
 
4 years for trying to burn down a Federal building and 41 months (18 of them in solitary), for traipsing around the Capitol, accompanies by the Capitol Police.

Seems fair.

These were his charges:

Civil Disorder; Obsrtuction of an Official Proceeding; Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building; Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building; Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building; Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building

Was he made a example of? Probably. He chose to plead guilty and forgo a trial. It's pretty safe to say the capital was closed to the general public so that argument is out the window that day because of what was going on. He tried and successfully, along with everyone else, slowed the ratification (may be using the wrong word) of putting in place the next president.

He chose to not fight those charges.

I acknowledged in a earlier post that the guy was probably made an example of.
 
Why else would you bring up her sentence? So what? You know full well the rioters in the summer of 2020 weren't treated anywhere near as harshly at the J6 protesters.

Right, wrong or indifferent.... breaking into a Federal building is a different offense, handled by a different prosecutor than breaching the doors of the local 7-11.
 
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