Tucker Carlson 1/6 tapes

[DANC]

Some of them were shown tonight.

Highlights:

- Shaman guy was strolling through the Capitol, escorted by anywhere from 2 or 3 police to about 10, trying different doors to get into offices and being generally escorted around without any mob around. He then said a prayer when he was in the Senate chamber, praising the Capitol Police.

-Brian Sicknick (SP?) walking around the Capitol, directing protesters calmly after supposedly being cracked in the head with a fire extinguisher. He was wearing his helmet.

-Ray Epps with the mob outside the Capitol at least a half hour after he testified under oath he had left the Capitol grounds. Showed video already seen of Epps urging the crowd to go INSIDE the Capitol.

-Shots of people milling around and being respectful of the Capitol building the the police inside.

He will show more on tomorrow night's show.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Some of them were shown tonight.

Highlights:

- Shaman guy was strolling through the Capitol, escorted by anywhere from 2 or 3 police to about 10, trying different doors to get into offices and being generally escorted around without any mob around. He then said a prayer when he was in the Senate chamber, praising the Capitol Police.

-Brian Sicknick (SP?) walking around the Capitol, directing protesters calmly after supposedly being cracked in the head with a fire extinguisher. He was wearing his helmet.

-Ray Epps with the mob outside the Capitol at least a half hour after he testified under oath he had left the Capitol grounds. Showed video already seen of Epps urging the crowd to go INSIDE the Capitol.

-Shots of people milling around and being respectful of the Capitol building the the police inside.

He will show more on tomorrow night's show.

the shaman was a tough deal. tucker is probably doing the same jan 6 clowns did by cherry picking shit. i wouldn't watch this nor would i watch jan 6 garbage. all of that said the shaman is a tough deal in many ways. he's got some real mental health issues. he pled to whatever they call obstruction of an official proceeding and he got the bottom end of the guidelines. but he had served just a few days short of a year in solitary confinement. he wore a costume and i think the judge wanted to make an example of him. not sure in his case this is/was our judicial system at its best

 

[DANC]

the shaman was a tough deal. tucker is probably doing the same jan 6 clowns did by cherry picking shit. i wouldn't watch this nor would i watch jan 6 garbage. all of that said the shaman is a tough deal in many ways. he's got some real mental health issues. he pled to whatever they call obstruction of an official proceeding and he got the bottom end of the guidelines. but he had served just a few days short of a year in solitary confinement. he wore a costume and i think the judge wanted to make an example of him. not sure in his case this is/was our judicial system at its best

Of course he cherry picks - he's picking the scenes not shown in the 1/6 Committee.

That's the whole point.

The Shaman guy got 41 months. Not unlike many others who were strolling through the Capitol.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Of course he cherry picks - he's picking the scenes not shown in the 1/6 Committee.

That's the whole point.

The Shaman guy got 41 months. Not unlike many others who were strolling through the Capitol.

Yes but he didn’t show the bad shit. So it’s no better

 

[UncleMark]

Yes but he didn’t show the bad shit. So it’s no better

It's like people not doing anything wrong is somehow newsworthy or exculpatory.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It's like people not doing anything wrong is somehow newsworthy or exculpatory.

I know all about the Q shaman. His mental health was the only exculpatory angle

 

[DANC]

Yes but he didn’t show the bad shit. So it’s no better

The bad shit was already shown.

 

[DANC]

It's like people not doing anything wrong is somehow newsworthy or exculpatory.

It is when they're sentenced to prison.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The bad shit was already shown.

Trust me when I tell you I know

 

[UncleMark]

The bad shit was already shown.

It's like the bank robber telling the judge "But your Honor, I also went into that bank without robbing it."

 

[DANC]

It's like the bank robber telling the judge "But your Honor, I also went into that bank without robbing it."

No, it's like the police letting the bank robber in the bank, letting him rob the bank, and then leave without arresting him.

That's makes the police an accessory, doesn't it?

 

[TommyCracker]

Yes but he didn’t show the bad shit. So it’s no better

This made me laugh and say 'point taken' when discussing how easy it is to slant a narrative.



At the end of the day all we have is logic that makes sense to ourselves and our beliefs based on evidence that's filtered through our biases.

 

[Bowlmania]

Some of them were shown tonight.

Highlights:

- Shaman guy was strolling through the Capitol, escorted by anywhere from 2 or 3 police to about 10, trying different doors to get into offices and being generally escorted around without any mob around. He then said a prayer when he was in the Senate chamber, praising the Capitol Police.

-Brian Sicknick (SP?) walking around the Capitol, directing protesters calmly after supposedly being cracked in the head with a fire extinguisher. He was wearing his helmet.

-Ray Epps with the mob outside the Capitol at least a half hour after he testified under oath he had left the Capitol grounds. Showed video already seen of Epps urging the crowd to go INSIDE the Capitol.

-Shots of people milling around and being respectful of the Capitol building the the police inside.

He will show more on tomorrow night's show.

Wow. I'm thinking this is 2000 Mules-level excitement for you.

The Q-Anon Shaman provided a clear factual basis for his plea of guilty to the charge of obstruction of an official proceeding. He appealed his conviction but later dropped the appeal. His attorney said he felt betrayed by Trump and that Trump "bears responsibility" for January 6. I'm assuming Carlson didn't provided those details for the morons in his audience.

Sicknick wasn't struck by a fire extinguisher, nor did he suffer any blunt-force trauma. He told his brother he was pepper-sprayed twice. He died January 7 after suffering two strokes.

The other stuff you included is insignificant and irrelevant, like most of your posts.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This made me laugh and say 'point taken' when discussing how easy it is to slant a narrative.

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At the end of the day all we have is logic that makes sense to ourselves and our beliefs based on evidence that's filtered through our biases.

You see the movies and video clips, the public, and they don’t really understand what’s going on. A crime has elements and if the actor’s actions satisfy those elements that’s it. USAs aren’t night court prosecutors. When they bring charges you better start figuring out how the point system works.

As for the shaman I know a lot. His mental health was the only issue

 

[dbmhoosier]

Trust me when I tell you I know

Such as did he assault or attack an officer? Did he destroy a bunch of property? If he did where is the tape? If not it's all a farce.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

You see the movies and video clips, the public, and they don’t really understand what’s going on. A crime has elements and if the actor’s actions satisfy those elements that’s it. USAs aren’t night court prosecutors. When they bring charges you better start figuring out how the point system works.

As for the shaman I know a lot. His mental health was the only issue

"The man, Jacob Chansley, was diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety by the federal Bureau of Prisons, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said in an interview with the publication."

‘QAnon shaman’ negotiating plea deal following mental health diagnosis: report

The “QAnon shaman,” a participant of the Jan 6. insurrection at the Capitol, is negotiating a possible plea deal with prosecutors after prison psychologists found he…

thehill.com

 

[CO. Hoosier]

It's like the bank robber telling the judge "But your Honor, I also went into that bank without robbing it."

It’s not like that at all. This is not about crimes. Pelosi’s select committee used the video to advance a political purpose. That makes every second of those videos newsworthy and information the public must have.. There is absolutely no justification for withholding any of it. After the disgraceful manipulation of the Covid information and Hunters laptop story, I’m sick and tired of our governmental institutions manipulating information in order to influence public opinion. You should be sick of it too.

 

[Bowlmania]

"The man, Jacob Chansley, was diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety by the federal Bureau of Prisons, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said in an interview with the publication."

‘QAnon shaman’ negotiating plea deal following mental health diagnosis: report

The “QAnon shaman,” a participant of the Jan 6. insurrection at the Capitol, is negotiating a possible plea deal with prosecutors after prison psychologists found he…

thehill.com

He had mental health issues? So did probably half the people there. Is anyone arguing that he was incapable of understanding that what he was doing was wrong? I don't remember reading or hearing about a diminished capacity defense. He was represented by counsel and pled guilty. I think it's safe to assume his attorney believed he fully understood the nature of his wrongdoing, the nature of the charge and the significance and impact of his guilty plea.

Lots of references by Fox and far-right media to the QAnon shaman's attorney Albert Watkins, but they don't seem to have much interest in what he said about Trump:

"Watkins has repeatedly condemned former President Trump, blaming him for Chansley’s participation."

 

[IU_Hickory]

The bad shit was already shown.

So if someone does some bad shit and some ok shit then they shouldn't be in trouble?

Well police I'm not currently robbing the store so I am good to go right? The robbing was so 10 minutes ago.

 

[IU_Hickory]

No, it's like the police letting the bank robber in the bank, letting him rob the bank, and then leave without arresting him.

That's makes the police an accessory, doesn't it?

Yea, the barricades were equal to letting them in. lmao

 

[IU_Hickory]

It’s not like that at all. This is not about crimes. Pelosi’s select committee used the video to advance a political purpose. That makes every second of those videos newsworthy and information the public must have.. There is absolutely no justification for withholding any of it. After the disgraceful manipulation of the Covid information and Hunters laptop story, I’m sick and tired of our governmental institutions manipulating information in order to influence public opinion. You should be sick of it too.

Just because there are some scenes in the video footage showing them being peaceful doesn't change anything about the scenes where they were attacking police and breaking through barricades.

You don't get out of repercussions for a crime just because you weren't committing one before or after the crime. And just being in the building was a crime let alone attacking the police and trying to go after congressmen and women to do them harm.

Trying to find people to zip tie or hang is a crime even if you don't catch them

 

[IUCrazy2]

Yea, the barricades were equal to letting them in. lmao

Going to post the video so we can all get a look at it instead of a description. If the police walking that dude around to test locked doors onto the floor weren't "letting him in", can you please tell me what you think they were doing?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Just because there are some scenes in the video footage showing them being peaceful doesn't change anything about the scenes where they were attacking police and breaking through barricades.

You don't get out of repercussions for a crime just because you weren't committing one before or after the crime. And just being in the building was a crime let alone attacking the police and trying to go after congressmen and women to do them harm.

Trying to find people to zip tie is a crime even if you don't catch them

Being in the building isn't a crime. They post their hours.

Watching Congress in Session | U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center

www.visitthecapitol.gov

 

[DANC]

So if someone does some bad shit and some ok shit then they shouldn't be in trouble?

Well police I'm not currently robbing the store so I am good to go right? The robbing was so 10 minutes ago.

It's so cute when you try to post with the big kids.

 

[DANC]

Yea, the barricades were equal to letting them in. lmao

Dumb

 

[Bowlmania]

It’s not like that at all. This is not about crimes. Pelosi’s select committee used the video to advance a political purpose. That makes every second of those videos newsworthy and information the public must have.. There is absolutely no justification for withholding any of it. After the disgraceful manipulation of the Covid information and Hunters laptop story, I’m sick and tired of our governmental institutions manipulating information in order to influence public opinion. You should be sick of it too.

How specifically was there manipulation with respect to the video clips shown during the Jan 6 Committee hearings? How was the public misled and/or deceived?

Was law enforcement not assaulted by an angry mob, and were 140 cops not injured that day, some seriously?
Weren't many rioters violent?
Didn't some threaten to hang Mike Pence and go after other elected leaders?
Wasn't the Capitol unlawfully breached?
Weren't many attempting to interfere with and/or stop the certification of the presidential election?
Haven't hundreds already pled guilty or been tried and convicted of a variety of charges, including serious felonies?

You're seriously delusional.

 

[IUCrazy2]

How specifically was there manipulation with respect to the video clips shown during the Jan 6 Committee hearings? How was the public misled and/or deceived?

Was law enforcement not assaulted by an angry mob, and were 140 cops not injured that day, some seriously?
Weren't many rioters violent?
Didn't some threaten to hang Mike Pence and go after other elected leaders?
Wasn't the Capitol unlawfully breached?
Weren't many attempting to interfere with and/or stop the certification of the presidential election?
Haven't hundreds already pled guilty or been tried and convicted of a variety of charges, including serious felonies?

You're seriously delusional.

Just a question, we heard during the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 that the protestors were mostly peaceful. We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but.

So before I go further, a yes or no question, were the BLM riots of 2020 "mostly peaceful". Just yes or no to start please. You can add your nuance from there but I just want a one word answer to start.

Yes mostly peaceful or no.

 

[dbmhoosier]

 

[IUCrazy2]

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Going to post the video so we can all get a look at it instead of a description. If the police walking that dude around to test locked doors onto the floor weren't "letting him in", can you please tell me what you think they were doing?

@Bill4411 I consider putting a laugh face on a question to be a coward's way of debating. So maybe you can use your big boy words and tell us what you would label the police walking around with the Shaman dude as doing. @IU_Hickory usually runs from these things too, but to use his analogy, what do you call a police officer in a bank robbery who shows the unarmed robber the easiest way into the vault? Accomplice? Really bad at his job? An escort?

 

[Crayfish57]

Just a question, we heard during the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 that the protestors were mostly peaceful. We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but.

So before I go further, a yes or no question, we're the BLM riots of 2020 "mostly peaceful". Just yes or no to start please. You can add your nuance from there but I just want a one word answer to start.

Yes mostly peaceful or no.

Don't confuse Bowl with facts.

 

[DANC]

Just a question, we heard during the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 that the protestors were mostly peaceful. We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but.

So before I go further, a yes or no question, were the BLM riots of 2020 "mostly peaceful". Just yes or no to start please. You can add your nuance from there but I just want a one word answer to start.

Yes mostly peaceful or no.

You're asking the impossible.

 

[IUCrazy2]

You're asking the impossible.

It is a poorly disguised trap that I hope gets people to think a little deeper than the surface.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

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Going to post the video so we can all get a look at it instead of a description. If the police walking that dude around to test locked doors onto the floor weren't "letting him in", can you please tell me what you think they were doing?

Has someone posted an article with the officers’ explanations as to why they were doing that?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Has someone posted an article with the officers’ explanations as to why they were doing that?

He indicated that he felt they were outnumbered that day and that it was better to try and talk to people instead of physically confronting them.

Which is reasonable. Where the reasonableness probably could be called into question is going from polite conversation to deescalate to giving guided tours through the building that led them to the Senate floor.

Edit to add: https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/capit...anon-shaman-video-reveals-hands-off-approach/

 

[CO. Hoosier]

How specifically was there manipulation with respect to the video clips shown during the Jan 6 Committee hearings? How was the public misled and/or deceived?

Was law enforcement not assaulted by an angry mob, and were 140 cops not injured that day, some seriously?
Weren't many rioters violent?
Didn't some threaten to hang Mike Pence and go after other elected leaders?
Wasn't the Capitol unlawfully breached?
Weren't many attempting to interfere with and/or stop the certification of the presidential election?
Haven't hundreds already pled guilty or been tried and convicted of a variety of charges, including serious felonies?

You're seriously delusional.

Well, I might be delusional. But that doesn't change the fact that the Democrats hired an experienced TV producer to cherry pick, edit, and choreograph the video to support their narrative, concealed other video, and then bitched like hell over releasing the concealed video. That looks and smells like message manipulation to me.

 

[IU_Hickory]

It is nothing more than conservative media trying to minimize the political damage of Jan 6 at the behest of gop politicians.

 

[IUCrazy2]

It is nothing more than conservative media trying to minimize the political damage of Jan 6 at the behest of gop politicians.

Looks to me like it is allowing everything to be seen so that people can come to their own conclusions based on everything. Something that should have happened in the Congressional hearings but instead we got a media produced mash up trying to maximize political damage to the political right at the behest of the Democrats.

 

[Bowlmania]

Just a question, we heard during the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 that the protestors were mostly peaceful. We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but.

So before I go further, a yes or no question, were the BLM riots of 2020 "mostly peaceful". Just yes or no to start please. You can add your nuance from there but I just want a one word answer to start.

Yes mostly peaceful or no.

This thread is about January 6 video, so I'm going to address your issue directly, without "nuance."

Yes, I believe most of the people who came to DC on January 6 were peaceful. Who has seriously argued otherwise, and what difference does it make? Does that somehow excuse the violent lawlessness of the hundreds who attacked cops, hunted for government officials and tried to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated proceeding?

With respect to your "yabbut," I can't answer yes or no. Can you? There are a ton of variables. That happened across the country, over the courses of weeks, in many locations. Some events appeared extremely violent, others not at all. It's much harder to quantify. I believe that those who broke the law during the 2020 riots and have been identified should be prosecuted.

 

[cosmickid]

Just a question, we heard during the BLM rioting in the summer of 2020 that the protestors were mostly peaceful. We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but.

So before I go further, a yes or no question, we're the BLM riots of 2020 "mostly peaceful". Just yes or no to start please. You can add your nuance from there but I just want a one word answer to start.

Yes mostly peaceful or no.

"We had a shitload of video showing a shitload of people being anything but."

We did? Fox repeatedly showed Portland and Seattle and nightly battles that had going on with continuing stuggles between far left and far right elements in that area that preceeded George Floyd. But if there is a "shitload of video" of BLM people (not outside agitators like Boogie boys and actual criminals) precipitating violence you should be able to link it here...

The stats based on the sheer number of protests don't seem to back up your claims, and Fox has already been taken to task for showing video of Portland and pretending it was elsewhere. And here's a video mashup of Fox commentators condemning BLM protestors for blocking streets and traffic in Seattle, while praising anti-vax protestors for doing the same exact thing in NYC...

'Daily Show' Mashes Up Fox News' Hypocritical Coverage of Anti-Vax vs BLM Protests (Video) - TheWrap

Fox News Channel (FNC) may have an angle, and "The Daily Show With Trevor Noah" may have its number. Watch what we mean here (Video)

www.thewrap.com

I'm curious to see the videos you provide. Probably don't want to include the guy with the umbrella in Minneapolis or any of the subsequent events including the torching of a Minnie Police Station because right wing agitators have been exposed as provocateurs in those cases. This Boogie Boy, associated with the Carrillo wack job that killed the cops in Oakland/SF has already admitted he set the Minnie police station on fire and even fired an assault weapon to agitate the crowd...

Texas man in 'boogaloo' movement pleads guilty to firing at police station during Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a self-proclaimed member of the “boogaloo bois,” is accused of firing 13 rounds from a semi-automatic assault-style rifle at a Minneapolis station.

www.nbcnews.com

See while DANC and his ilk are running around like headless chickens claiming "Antifa" was agitating on Jan 6 and Ray Epps was a paid informant, we already have actual crimes admitted to by right wing agitators during the BLM "riots"...

Interesting (2020) full year analysis from the US Crisis Monitor which in addition to analyzing the BLM protests, compares police response to BLM with the same actions relevant to the anti-lockdown protests which preceded the Floyd unrest...

"THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT​

Sparked by the police killing of George Floyd in May, the latest wave of protests associated with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement accounts for 47% of all demonstrations in the US last year.2

• ACLED records more than 10,330 demonstrations associated with the BLM movement across more than 2,730 locations in all 50 states and Washington, DC
  • States with the most events: California (1,151); New York (615); Florida (487); Illinois (430); Texas (425)
• The vast majority of these events — 94% — involved no violent or destructive activity
• Nevertheless, over 9% of all BLM-linked demonstrations — or nearly one in 10 events — were met with intervention by police or other authorities, compared to just 4% of right-wing demonstrations3
  • When responding to BLM-linked demonstrations, authorities used force4 more than 51% of the time, compared to just 33% for right-wing demonstrations
  • For more on disparate law enforcement response to different protests, see this report"

US Crisis Monitor Releases Full Data for 2020

acleddata.com

 

[IUCrazy2]

This thread is about January 6 video, so I'm going to address your issue directly, without "nuance."

Yes, I believe most of the people who came to DC on January 6 were peaceful. Who has seriously argued otherwise, and what difference does it make? Does that somehow excuse the violent lawlessness of the hundreds who attacked cops, hunted for government officials and tried to disrupt a constitutionally-mandated proceeding?

With respect to your "yabbut," I can't answer yes or no. Can you? There are a ton of variables. That happened across the country, over the courses of weeks, in many locations. Some events appeared extremely violent, others not at all. It's much harder to quantify. I believe that those who broke the law during the 2020 riots and have been identified should be prosecuted.

It isn't about prosecution, get all the people who acted poorly. It is about the narrative building.