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You're completely living in an alternate reality when it comes to Wilson vs Debord. Debord was at UT for 2 years and they were mediocre at best with their best QB in a decade in Junior/Senior Dobbs plus plenty of playmakers like Kamara.We scored more this year and played at a faster pace than Wilson's last offense here, despite the same QB and OL issues. And this is after Grandpa DeBord ran circles around KW's offenses at UT.
Lagow is the same QB who guided us to a bowl the year before, just with more experience this year. He would've shined this year under Wilson.
Wilson had many faults as a HC, but if you don't think this offense would've been much better with him leading it rather than Debord you're kidding yourself. Game management was frustrating with Wilson, but he maximized his offensive talent as well as anyone you'll see in college football. After all there's a reason Urban Meyer scooped him up right away.
It's my contention that FG hired two inexperienced fb coaches in a row with the sole purpose to save $. He knew Wilson and CTA would be doing ojt and they would make mistakes. Now the sunshine pumpers on the board say we have to wait 3 years to criticize a new coach while he gets things changed to his way (an inexperienced HC doesn't have a way) after telling us CTA needed to be hired for continuity. If FG had hired an experienced coach would we be allowed to criticize him after 1 year? Two years? When?
I want CTA to succeed but I think the whole process from letting Wilson go to hiring CTA in 2 hours time indicates a poor decision or untruthfulness. We don't know who FG could have gotten without a search, maybe a dc with no hc experience is the best he could have done but we'll never know. What we do know is he got CTA on the cheap.
Another thing, I think Wilson had reached his ceiling and I would have been ok if a search firm engaged in a coach search prior to offering him a new contract just to see who was willing to entertain offers.I did not like the way Wilson was fired, forced out whatever, and explained as philosophical differences. My guess is that explanation would be an issue for potential coaches as much as firing a coach after 1 year.
I guess I just look at it differently than a lot of other IU fans do--for me, it's not even about Allen as much as it is about the staff he put together, and those coaches certainly won't get anything close to 2-3 years to turn things around or be evaluated.
Most coordinators and position coaches are on 1-2 year contracts (unless you're someone like a Venables or Foster) and IMO IU's staff has, at best, about 12-18 months to get things going again. I think the window for them started to close after the Maryland game and the closing of it started to accelerate after the Bucket loss. Their 2 big tasks IMO are now 1) prevent the recruiting class from hemorrhaging as much as possible (i.e., try to sign Wilson and DO NOT LOSE Taylor, etc) and 2) overhaul the offense.
When I watched the IU-tOSU game, 2 things were immediately apparent: Ohio State's DBs couldn't cover IU's receivers, and IU's OL couldn't make the blocks they were being asked to make. That 2nd thing, unfortunately, became an ongoing theme through most of the rest of the season, especially in the B1G. I don't know if DeBord, given his background, felt comfortable with the offense, or if he felt talent-restricted to the point where he thought it was the only offense he could put out there, or what the underlying motivations were.
I don't even know if DeBord wants to come back for another shot at things or if he wants to go ahead and retire. But I certainly feel that, whether IU's football offense is run by DeBord or by some new guy like a Brian Wright or a Kalen DeBoer, some kind of consistent passing threat will have to be manufactured and some different blocking schemes might have to be considered.
doin' fine, Mark; looks like my other alma mater, having jump-screwed the shark-pooch with Schiano, is now pursuing The Mullet. Lively days down in K-ville, to be sure.Welshman you old Guinness drinking warhorse--how have you been? As always my friend, you are the most rational and educated poster out there. Happy Holidays to you
I worked for 20 years in journalism so I'll "volunteer" for duty; I've "checked out" more than a few people, in my day. (BTW: By "volunteer," I mean I expect to get paid for my work!)Search firms haven't helped us as much as people like to think. They are useless. They obviously didn't uncover Wilson's past. You don't just stumble around in a dorm your first week on campus, lit, without that being an issue somewhere before at your previous stops. You could take 5 people off this board to compose a good thorough search (minus fpeaugh and Ord 12.2) and come out cheaper than a search firm.
It's time to actually talk about this. The Allen experiment didn't pay off. Last place in the East and 2nd to last in the entire conference. Blown out by a Purdue team with half the talent/experience as we have. There's no excuse for this.
The first question is what is Allen's buyout? It can't be much. He had absolutely no leverage when he signed.
Also, who are the candidates we want who we could possibly get? Top 3 candidates?
[/QUOTE]Lagow is the same QB who guided us to a bowl the year before, just with more experience this year. He would've shined this year under Wilson.
Wilson had many faults as a HC, but if you don't think this offense would've been much better with him leading it rather than Debord you're kidding yourself. Game management was frustrating with Wilson, but he maximized his offensive talent as well as anyone you'll see in college football. After all there's a reason Urban Meyer scooped him up right away.
I understand your point but just look at the stats. In 2015 we gave up a minimal amount of sacks. In 2016 that number rose at we lost some lineman, then by 2017 the number peaked.Lagow is the same QB who guided us to a bowl the year before, just with more experience this year. He would've shined this year under Wilson.
Wilson had many faults as a HC, but if you don't think this offense would've been much better with him leading it rather than Debord you're kidding yourself. Game management was frustrating with Wilson, but he maximized his offensive talent as well as anyone you'll see in college football. After all there's a reason Urban Meyer scooped him up right away.
Herron would’ve been a Senior in 16’ and would’ve helped when Feeney went down. Think he felt like he didn’t have a shot to pass Feeney or Bailey or Martin, so he graduated and took off. Gardner also transferred to Alcorn or some HSBC, and from what I saw he was playing pretty well there. I think he was a senior this year. Herron also at least got a tryout with the colts, or a workout, so he could’ve at least been serviceable.The oline was hurt by two guys that you did not mention, DeAndre Herron and Timmy Gardner. Both were high level recruits out of high school. IU missed on them out of high school but got them to town out of JUCO. I think those guys were being counted on to be something.
Gardner was a 4 star recruit and Herron was a very high end three star recruit. They both flopped, wouldn't they have been seniors on this roster??
Agree silly name calling is lame. Clearly the offense was IU's weak link this year so concern about his effectiveness is legit to discuss. But he's far from "a bum" and you should be careful playing with the Karma Gods!Bum. Really? Why exactly is he a bum? You may not like him as an OC, but to call that man a bum when you do not know him is disgusting. He, by all accounts, is a pretty decent human being.
He tried to sustain the OL but simply failed IMHO. He had a stretch going. Matte, Rahrig, Reed, Spriggs, Camiel, Feeney all at least undrafted FA contracts, and Herron even got a tryout, so it’s really difficult to sustain that level. The year Sudfeld went down, they rushed for 3,100 yards behind those guys. So when you have a host of guys move on to the NFL or graduate it’s just hard to maintain that level of recruiting. And Matte/Rahrig weren’t even his recruits.agree that CKW would've had a lot of the same issues, and that's why for me the 1st red flag in all of this (well before Allen, let alone DeBord, came on board) was when Franklin was able to flip Tommy Stevens. I remember vividly at the time a number of IU fans saying "no worries, IU's in on 2 more in-state QBs who may be even better prospects than Stevens" but unfortunately those 2 were Brandon Peters and Hunter Johnson.
Hence the "11th-hour" recruitment of Lagow, which might've worked out if Wilson had managed to keep the OL pipeline going post-Spriggs & Feeney. One of the great mysteries to me is how Wilson (who, regardless of what anyone thinks of him as a Head Coach or even Off. Coordinator, has always had an excellent reputation as an OL coach) was unable to sustain the OL and QB recruiting (with or without Littrell leaving).
We squeaked into bowls under Wilson and it took him 5 years to do it and now you come back and say this is going crash and burn? We had a better roster last year, much better in the OL, and had exactly one more win.
There is plenty of evidence in coaching hires over the years (Frank Beamer comes to mind) who didn't have SMU-like rosters and took them a few years to jumpstart the program.
We went to 2 bowls. That doesn't mean we arrived. A year after beating IU in the Pinstripe Bowl, Duke and David Cutcliff missed a bowl. Should they have fired him?
He tried to sustain the OL but simply failed IMHO. He had a stretch going. Matte, Rahrig, Reed, Spriggs, Camiel, Feeney all at least undrafted FA contracts, and Herron even got a tryout, so it’s really difficult to sustain that level. The year Sudfeld went down, they rushed for 3,100 yards behind those guys. So when you have a host of guys move on to the NFL or graduate it’s just hard to maintain that level of recruiting. And Matte/Rahrig weren’t even his recruits.
So I don’t fault CKW when it comes to the Oline. The reality of not being Ohio State is that you’ll have depth issues and recruiting challenges and down years. Look at Iowa. It happens to most schools that have to depend on finding (diamonds in the rough). We just had a hot stretch for a while, and the guys now can develop and be better next year. My only point, which you agree with, is that he would’ve had the same issues as Allen, and I also agree that QB recruiting was suspect.
A couple factors played into the QB recruiting IMHO. I don’t put the OL on Wilson but I 100% fault him for the QB situation. In 2013 if you remember we essentially had a three man race for QB, and CKW was unwilling to be decisive. That turned a lot of recruits off that CKW had a three man rotation going at QB without really knowing who would play from week to week. When he failed to name a starter going into 14’ Roberson left early, Coffman left before him, and a lot of people don’t know that Sudfeld was halfway out the door, but Roberson just happened to fold first.
That saga turned a lot of prospects off.
Secondly, Sudfeld got hurt in 14’ and that completely turned us from a balanced attack to a run heavy attack. That turned a lot of recruits off, and turned what would’ve been a Bowl year into a disappointing 4-8 year. The rushing attack that we had to resort to did land Jordan Howard, but it turned a ton of QB’s away, and part of the reason why we had no backup (Roberson) was because Wilson was indecisive. Roberson would’ve stayed if a choice had simply been made sooner. He was even willing to play WR and then could’ve come in as a backup when Sudfeld went down.
Lastly, besides mismanaging the QB situation, he flat out missed on recruits. I’ll be blunt since he no longer plays at IU... none of us knew why Danny Cameron was a choice to offer a scholarship to. It was kind of bizarre. He had no offers, was headed to prep school, came to a camp and then was signed in June and then practicing with the team the next day. That rubbed a lot of guys the wrong way and was a questionable decision on Wilson’s end which wasted a QB scholarship. It was appearent from day 1 that Cameron wasn’t really a division 1 quarterback, and a lot of guys just viewed it as bizarre and we figured that’d hurt the program in the future, but it wasn’t my problem because I was going to be out of there before things got ugly. Secondly, we also viewed Diamont as a questionable offer. I personally thought that Riley Neal who’s Ball state’s starting QB could be decent with our developement and system, and he was in state, but they offered many guys who were just questionable. I got the impression however that CKW really thought Diamont could be a full time QB, so I think he missed. With Cameron, I got the impression that daddy Cam had a talk with Wilson, and that could explain the random offer at midnight in June.
Lastly, Wilson missed on covington and Hale. I got the impression that he wanted to get them in as athletes, and use them as emergency backups if his plan failed, but they really wanted to play other positions which is why both switched back to skill positions. He really thought covington could develop and he liked Hales skill set too, but there heart wasn’t into QB, and they’re amazing players at their new positions. So even his emergency back up plan was miscalculated, because it was really obvious that their hearts were in other positions.
Thus, we are at the point we are at now. We went from having virtually three starters in 13’ to a rough situation now. So rough that Reese Taylor starting as a true freshman is a real possibility.
You are just a Wilson Homer at this point. Lagow would not have had different happy feet with Wilson given this year's line, WR injuries and RB play. Lagow (nice kid and was a good leader by example) was seemingly incapable of playing without at least one pick a game, see first pass of Purdue game.Lagow is the same QB who guided us to a bowl the year before, just with more experience this year. He would've shined this year under Wilson.
Wilson had many faults as a HC, but if you don't think this offense would've been much better with him leading it rather than Debord you're kidding yourself. Game management was frustrating with Wilson, but he maximized his offensive talent as well as anyone you'll see in college football. After all there's a reason Urban Meyer scooped him up right away.
You neglected the choice you've made, which is to accept losing as an inevitable by-product of IU football. Indiana fans have exactly the kind of program many of them deserve, since they demand nothing more than the status quo.You are just a Wilson Homer at this point. Lagow would not have had different happy feet with Wilson given this year's line, WR injuries and RB play. Lagow (nice kid and was a good leader by example) was seemingly incapable of playing without at least one pick a game, see first pass of Purdue game.
Wilson took us from 1-11 to steady 6-6 level, but he had just as many (a LOT actually) frustrating losses in his years 3-5 that frankly cemented the "same old IU" dilemma Allen is now fighting against. How can we ever forget the Rutgers game, the Minnesota laterall pass/fumble, and the numerous go for it on our own 40 yd line only to not get the first and give the other team terrific field position. Or not being able (pre-Allen) to hold a team on defense and Michigan scoring with about a min left going down the field to win the game.
The ship has sailed, like it or not. When the decision is made, you then follow the direction the leader has chosen or resign and move on. Give ideas how to improve things via constructive criticism with solutions. But pounding away on 20/20 hindsight critiques is for losers.
You neglected the choice you've made, which is to accept losing as an inevitable by-product of IU football. Indiana fans have exactly the kind of program many of them deserve, since they demand nothing more than the status quo.
That is such a generic, stereotypical & intellectually lazy thing to say. Yeah, everyone who is now backing Allen is just a whoa is me, we're no good, we'll take any 6-6 crumbs we can get...what a seriously stupid assessment.
After the 5-6 years of Wilson, who topped out at 6-6, Glass saw something he liked seeing day-to-day in Allen. Allen knows Defense for sure. I don't accept mediocrity over long haul. But am not treating Allen like he has to have IU near Rose Bowl after one year. I'm willing to let him build his staff & roster & culture.
If he continues to trend down, I could see him gone after year 3. But I'm not going there now because that hasn't happened and I'm willing to let him have a chance to be successful, which I think he may do.
Quit projecting your 20/20 hindsight and judgement onto others. You are not the only one who knows something about sports or football or people. There are always a few ways to see the same thing. Many people see it differently than you.
But most rational people understand if Glass is safe, as he appears to be, than Allen likely is for at least 3 seasons. Given that, why keep attacking and criticizing versus finding areas to highlight, offering constructive solutions for how to get better, etc?
It may be optimist versus pessimist view of the world. Simple as that.
Those are all legitimate grievances. I would agree that a coach has to be a coach of the whole team. That’s where I think Wilson should’ve improved sooner too. I get the impression that great coaches don’t just coach one side, and if they see issues on the other side, they fix them. That’s why it’s such a rough job. So I get that. And yes, some of the hirings were suspect.Oh, it's not hindsight in any way but, since you accused me of being generic, I'll offer a specific example that demonstrates clearly what I said. You and several others accepted and believed improvement would occur in spite of the first time head coach's statements that he was only the coach of the defense, and that he was turning over the responsibilities for the offense to his chosen coordinator. And who was that? A guy who was being pushed into retirement because UT wasn't going to retain him. Oh, and he brought a Graduate Assistant as his first time ever quarterback coach. And then the "I'm the coach of the defense" hired a receivers coach who was being pushed out of Ole Miss, an O line coach who didn't have a job to be pushed out of, and Mike Hart. IU went from having 5 very well respected and accomplished offensive coaches to none. And you and quite a few others considered this an upgrade and forecast great results, against all logic.
Not sure how that's considered hindsight. It was more accurately incompetence, and they have a long off season to contemplate that, even as you and a few others are already predicting great success for that unit next year. The acceptance of losing . . .
It's not 20/20 hindsight. I'm giving constructive ideas of what to do going forward. Fire Allen and go get a real HC. Others will see this in 2-3 years but I'm not ok waiting. By then too much damage will be done.You are just a Wilson Homer at this point. Lagow would not have had different happy feet with Wilson given this year's line, WR injuries and RB play. Lagow (nice kid and was a good leader by example) was seemingly incapable of playing without at least one pick a game, see first pass of Purdue game.
Wilson took us from 1-11 to steady 6-6 level, but he had just as many (a LOT actually) frustrating losses in his years 3-5 that frankly cemented the "same old IU" dilemma Allen is now fighting against. How can we ever forget the Rutgers game, the Minnesota laterall pass/fumble, and the numerous go for it on our own 40 yd line only to not get the first and give the other team terrific field position. Or not being able (pre-Allen) to hold a team on defense and Michigan scoring with about a min left going down the field to win the game.
The ship has sailed, like it or not. When the decision is made, you then follow the direction the leader has chosen or resign and move on. Give ideas how to improve things via constructive criticism with solutions. But pounding away on 20/20 hindsight critiques is for losers.
agree that CKW would've had a lot of the same issues, and that's why for me the 1st red flag in all of this (well before Allen, let alone DeBord, came on board) was when Franklin was able to flip Tommy Stevens. I remember vividly at the time a number of IU fans saying "no worries, IU's in on 2 more in-state QBs who may be even better prospects than Stevens" but unfortunately those 2 were Brandon Peters and Hunter Johnson.
Hence the "11th-hour" recruitment of Lagow, which might've worked out if Wilson had managed to keep the OL pipeline going post-Spriggs & Feeney. One of the great mysteries to me is how Wilson (who, regardless of what anyone thinks of him as a Head Coach or even Off. Coordinator, has always had an excellent reputation as an OL coach) was unable to sustain the OL and QB recruiting (with or without Littrell leaving).
How much longer are you going to continue this inane narrative related to your obsessive desire to see Allen fired? It would be crazy to fire him, it's not going to happen, and the fact that you're "not ok waiting" is not going to change things.It's not 20/20 hindsight. I'm giving constructive ideas of what to do going forward. Fire Allen and go get a real HC. Others will see this in 2-3 years but I'm not ok waiting. By then too much damage will be done.
It's time to actually talk about this. The Allen experiment didn't pay off. Last place in the East and 2nd to last in the entire conference. Blown out by a Purdue team with half the talent/experience as we have. There's no excuse for this.
The first question is what is Allen's buyout? It can't be much. He had absolutely no leverage when he signed.
Also, who are the candidates we want who we could possibly get? Top 3 candidates?
"Roberson disappearing" was perhaps the single biggest setback during the Wilson era. Roberson ended the 2013 season, against Purdue, with the greatest performance by a QB in IU history. The following June, he abruptly and unexpectedly left. Four months later, Sudfeld went down against Iowa and Wilson had no viable backup. We regressed from 5-7 in 2013 to 4-8 in 2014, and Tommy Stevens bailed in November 2014 during a long IU losing streak and after watching our inept offense lose to Penn State. Oh, what could have been ...Don't forget Roberson disappearing, although it is tough to say he would have been a better player than Sudfeld.
"Roberson disappearing" was perhaps the single biggest setback during the Wilson era. Roberson ended the 2013 season, against Purdue, with the greatest performance by a QB in IU history. The following June, he abruptly and unexpectedly left. Four months later, Sudfeld went down against Iowa and Wilson had no viable backup. We regressed from 5-7 in 2013 to 4-8 in 2014, and Tommy Stevens bailed in November 2014 during a long IU losing streak and after watching our inept offense lose to Penn State. Oh, what could have been ...
"Tommy Stevens bailed in November 2014 during a long IU losing streak and after watching our inept offense lose to Penn State. Oh, what could have been ...
Because that was after one game. Talk to me at the end of the year.Where was this thread when we got ran out of our own gym by Indiana State on your side of the board?
whereas, to date all TS is at State Pen is a mop-up/WR/KR/maybe-wildcat guy, which IMO is less than optimal use of his talent, but Franklin can probably sign a 4- or 5-star QB anytime he wants toUnfortunately, I never thought Stevens was ever going to stay committed to IU, but he's a good QB and would have started for 3 years.
Who cares about getting the big name at quarterback when you can make two star recrtuits NFL caliber players. Wilson didn’t get enough out of his staff, but he got a lot from his players. We would have won a lot of games with Wilson and Allen on staff. Thanks Fred.The only thing of which I am certain is thank goodness Wilson is gone. If you cannot see the link between his personality and the lack of quality QB's you must have your eyes closed.
The only thing of which I am certain is thank goodness Wilson is gone. If you cannot see the link between his personality and the lack of quality QB's you must have your eyes closed.
The evidence isn’t there to back that up... again. There’s no reason as to why Feeney and Spriggs should’ve been low rated besides recruiting bias. Rahrig was a lacrosse player but great athlete. Coleman was a bit underrated as well. It could be that Wilson simply had solid players who were the victim of recruiting bias because of their offer list. But not every two star is a bad player. Kofi Hughes for example. I give Wilson credit too, but it could be moreso that Wilson also had good under the radar players, and he was great early on at identifying those guys. At some point, recruiting went south. Here’s an example. Jason Spriggs was a 3 Star with only 1 power 5 offer, in large part because he played in Concord in the middle of nowhere. He was 6’7” 260-270 coming out, with 4.8 speed, and a basketball background. Wilson, before even developing him, said he was the best O-line “athlete” he had been around since Lane Johnson and Trent Williams at Oklahoma. Contrast that with Hunter a LittleJohn who had multiple power 5 offers coming out, but was statistically the worst Center in the league. But being from Ohio, and getting exposure, helped his rating.Who cares about getting the big name at quarterback when you can make two star recrtuits NFL caliber players. Wilson didn’t get enough out of his staff, but he got a lot from his players. We would have won a lot of games with Wilson and Allen on staff. Thanks Fred.
He tried to sustain the OL but simply failed IMHO. He had a stretch going. Matte, Rahrig, Reed, Spriggs, Camiel, Feeney all at least undrafted FA contracts, and Herron even got a tryout, so it’s really difficult to sustain that level. The year Sudfeld went down, they rushed for 3,100 yards behind those guys. So when you have a host of guys move on to the NFL or graduate it’s just hard to maintain that level of recruiting. And Matte/Rahrig weren’t even his recruits.
So I don’t fault CKW when it comes to the Oline. The reality of not being Ohio State is that you’ll have depth issues and recruiting challenges and down years. Look at Iowa. It happens to most schools that have to depend on finding (diamonds in the rough). We just had a hot stretch for a while, and the guys now can develop and be better next year. My only point, which you agree with, is that he would’ve had the same issues as Allen, and I also agree that QB recruiting was suspect.
A couple factors played into the QB recruiting IMHO. I don’t put the OL on Wilson but I 100% fault him for the QB situation. In 2013 if you remember we essentially had a three man race for QB, and CKW was unwilling to be decisive. That turned a lot of recruits off that CKW had a three man rotation going at QB without really knowing who would play from week to week. When he failed to name a starter going into 14’ Roberson left early, Coffman left before him, and a lot of people don’t know that Sudfeld was halfway out the door, but Roberson just happened to fold first.
That saga turned a lot of prospects off.
Secondly, Sudfeld got hurt in 14’ and that completely turned us from a balanced attack to a run heavy attack. That turned a lot of recruits off, and turned what would’ve been a Bowl year into a disappointing 4-8 year. The rushing attack that we had to resort to did land Jordan Howard, but it turned a ton of QB’s away, and part of the reason why we had no backup (Roberson) was because Wilson was indecisive. Roberson would’ve stayed if a choice had simply been made sooner. He was even willing to play WR and then could’ve come in as a backup when Sudfeld went down.
Lastly, besides mismanaging the QB situation, he flat out missed on recruits. I’ll be blunt since he no longer plays at IU... none of us knew why Danny Cameron was a choice to offer a scholarship to. It was kind of bizarre. He had no offers, was headed to prep school, came to a camp and then was signed in June and then practicing with the team the next day. That rubbed a lot of guys the wrong way and was a questionable decision on Wilson’s end which wasted a QB scholarship. It was appearent from day 1 that Cameron wasn’t really a division 1 quarterback, and a lot of guys just viewed it as bizarre and we figured that’d hurt the program in the future, but it wasn’t my problem because I was going to be out of there before things got ugly. Secondly, we also viewed Diamont as a questionable offer. I personally thought that Riley Neal who’s Ball state’s starting QB could be decent with our developement and system, and he was in state, but they offered many guys who were just questionable. I got the impression however that CKW really thought Diamont could be a full time QB, so I think he missed. With Cameron, I got the impression that daddy Cam had a talk with Wilson, and that could explain the random offer at midnight in June.
Lastly, Wilson missed on covington and Hale. I got the impression that he wanted to get them in as athletes, and use them as emergency backups if his plan failed, but they really wanted to play other positions which is why both switched back to skill positions. He really thought covington could develop and he liked Hales skill set too, but there heart wasn’t into QB, and they’re amazing players at their new positions. So even his emergency back up plan was miscalculated, because it was really obvious that their hearts were in other positions.
Thus, we are at the point we are at now. We went from having virtually three starters in 13’ to a rough situation now. So rough that Reese Taylor starting as a true freshman is a real possibility.
At the time, multiple guys on the team that I would have conversations with wondered too. We were all confused. His HS highlights were solid. There were multiple players like that, and Wilson simply didn’t even consider recruiting them. Obviously we never told the coaches who to recruit, and kept those opinions to ourselves, but it was interesting to observe.It's interesting to me that you mentioned Riley Neal of BSU.
I saw him play early this year and was very impressed with the guy. To me, he looked like a much smarter and more athletic Lagow---he's like 6'6" 240 lbs. At the time, I specifically wondered why in the hell we had not recruited him. I know nothing about his HS career, or whether we ever looked at him, and I guess he got hurt after the 3rd game this year, but that guy is talented,imo.
Huh? Do you remember Nate Sudfeld? One of the best QB's we've had in decades.The only thing of which I am certain is thank goodness Wilson is gone. If you cannot see the link between his personality and the lack of quality QB's you must have your eyes closed.
Based on which metrics would he have been as good? So Feeney gets hurt, Camiel goes down, and his interceptions increased in 2016 and he had a drop off. What do you think would’ve happened in 2017 with his entire o-line essentially leaving? I just don’t see any logical reason as to how having Wilson would’ve suddenly made Lagow a better QB when he was a 58% passer with a decent offensive line. Without those guys, it was predictable that he’d play worse because he can take handle pressure. QB knockdowns increased this year, and they gave up 29 sacks, and hurries increased. To put that into perspective, in 2015, they gave up only 13 sacks and 15 hurries. That made Sudfeld look really good. Sudfeld would’ve struggled in 2017 with this terrible offensive line. I just don’t see how having Wilson fixes that issue, because the offensive trended downward in 2016, and all signs show that the downtrend was going to continueHuh? Do you remember Nate Sudfeld? One of the best QB's we've had in decades.
Look at what Wilson did with Lagow last year in terms of yardage. RL would've been a completely different QB this year if Wilson was still here. You can thank SB Fred for robbing him (and fans) of that.
Huh? Do you remember Nate Sudfeld? One of the best QB's we've had in decades.
Look at what Wilson did with Lagow last year in terms of yardage. RL would've been a completely different QB this year if Wilson was still here. You can thank SB Fred for robbing him (and fans) of that.