Would Indiana fans prefer Steve Alford over Archie?
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Yea and it’s the same Archie that got blown out by Indiana State and IPFW at HOME
Really, okay maybe six out of 20?
He is absolutely despised and considered one of the worst historical coaches at now two power five schools.
That's a rare feat.
Actually, Steve just prior to going to UCLA was rated 26th best coach in NCAA while Archie came in at 34th. In last 5 years he had 3 Sweet Sixteens and only missed the tournament once. I wish we could say that about our record.
My condolences on the IU win last night. You must be super bummed.
Why are we conveniently leaving out the UCLA portion of his career? Because it doesn't fit your agenda?
Why would we even talk about this? Archie got off to a very unlucky start but next year should be much better. We all enjoyed Steve as a player but he’s shown he’s not cut out for high level coaching.
Yes. Are people conveniently forgetting that we are 5-12 and will be lucky to finish 7-13 in the B10 this year? I haven't been aware that Jesus has us on his final list of schools he's considering because that might be the only way we contend next year. This isn't necessarily an endorsement for SA by any means but AM isn't in the A10 anymore.
Oh look.....another Victorbear.... joined in 2001, this was a great 8th post, in 18 years.
if that's what a troll looks like i wanna be one
I sense that some people are threatened by New Blood who want to post and bring a different view of how things could be. Sorry if you feel threatened because I haven't posted much before.
Here's the thing on coaches who's resume consists of a couple good years: you never know if it's an outlier. Shaka Smart was one of the hottest coaching wants not that long ago. Here is what a Texas blogger thinks about him now: Long but a worthy read.
"Also, to put things really into perspective: Shaka's best team was full of Rick Barnes' leftovers, a bunch of 3* HS recruits who now play pro ball in Japan and SE Asia. Since then Shaka has signed three recruiting classes of his own, ranked 6th, 6th, and 8th respectively in the national rankings. He's also had three consecutive one-and-done lottery pick centers playing for him. Texas' record in the Big XII in that time is now 19-32. 13 games below .500 even though Texas recruits as well as/better than anyone besides Kentucky, Duke, and Kansas. It's pathetic.
Also, if anyone cares to go look up his record at VCU he's been a perpetual underachiever his entire career. Just like at Texas, Shaka always had more talent than his competition in the CAA and the A 10, and yet he never once won a conference title in six seasons. His VCU counterparts Caple, Grant, and Wade all rolled out of bed in the morning and won conference titles with inferior talent, and in much less time. He doesn't even compare favorably to them.
As for his miraculous/inexplicable Final Four run in 2011, that team finished fourth in the Colonial Athletic Association, and lost five of their last 7 games, and failed to win their conference tourney, and yet they somehow got into the dance. It was decried as the most heinous and egregious at large bid ever, yet they somehow caught lightning in a bottle and went to the FF. That one tournament has made this man millions and millions of unearned dollars. The fact that he had a team capable of both going to the FF and finishing fourth in the CAA says a lot about Shaka Smart.
Also his teams consistently rank in the 200's and 300's in most statistical categories tracked by basketball-reference. He's an amazing fraud of a coach who's used his charm to fail upwards, and i am so far beyond ready for him to be gone from Texas."
"Also, to put things really into perspective: Shaka's best team was full of Rick Barnes' leftovers, a bunch of 3* HS recruits who now play pro ball in Japan and SE Asia. Since then Shaka has signed three recruiting classes of his own, ranked 6th, 6th, and 8th respectively in the national rankings. He's also had three consecutive one-and-done lottery pick centers playing for him. Texas' record in the Big XII in that time is now 19-32. 13 games below .500 even though Texas recruits as well as/better than anyone besides Kentucky, Duke, and Kansas. It's pathetic.
Also, if anyone cares to go look up his record at VCU he's been a perpetual underachiever his entire career. Just like at Texas, Shaka always had more talent than his competition in the CAA and the A 10, and yet he never once won a conference title in six seasons. His VCU counterparts Caple, Grant, and Wade all rolled out of bed in the morning and won conference titles with inferior talent, and in much less time. He doesn't even compare favorably to them.
As for his miraculous/inexplicable Final Four run in 2011, that team finished fourth in the Colonial Athletic Association, and lost five of their last 7 games, and failed to win their conference tourney, and yet they somehow got into the dance. It was decried as the most heinous and egregious at large bid ever, yet they somehow caught lightning in a bottle and went to the FF. That one tournament has made this man millions and millions of unearned dollars. The fact that he had a team capable of both going to the FF and finishing fourth in the CAA says a lot about Shaka Smart.
Also his teams consistently rank in the 200's and 300's in most statistical categories tracked by basketball-reference. He's an amazing fraud of a coach who's used his charm to fail upwards, and i am so far beyond ready for him to be gone from Texas."
Between the 2, Alford. Would love to see a guy like Tony Bennett though or Marshall, or Brad Miler but those seem to be pipe dreams.
At least Steve really knows what IU basketball means. I question that Archie does even though I like the guy. Not sure he's the right guy. Have any of his teams ever been good shooting teams or does he's value that? True that he didn't inherit much in terms of shooters but has he recruited any? Seems he just wants athletes and that's fine if they can shoot. Our's can't.
I’m just not sure Indiana ever becomes truly relevant again. 2 final fours in 32 years. I hope I’m wrong though. Basketball needs storied programs like Indiana having success, in my opinion. In 1987 when Indiana won their last title, they were a top 3 college basketball program, along with UK and UCLA. It’s crazy how far UCLA has fallen as well. We were lucky when we hired Rick Pitino, or we very well could have fallen into the same abyss as IU and UCLA. That’s why I’ll never hate the guy like many other UK fans
Except that Archie’s blowout losses were last year with a roster that Crean left him while Alford’s UCLA losses were with his players in a program of which he had complete ownership.
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