Why is it wrong to be an optimistic fan?

[MikeHoncho69]

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

 

[82hoosier]

There used to be rules of conduct for the board and they were posted at the top of each board. Personal attacks on players, coaches or other posters were not allowed.

It has now turned into an extension of shock jock radio.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

Granted, some of the negative posters are disappointed about the Hoosiers not living up to expectations, and do not have it in their hearts to be positive and hopeful, but...

some of the most negative are PUke or pUKe trolls, some are leftover RMK only fans who only cheered for the Hoosiers because of him, and will never get over his firing, and some...

 

[MikeHoncho69]

There used to be rules of conduct for the board and they were posted at the top of each board. Personal attacks on players, coaches or other posters were not allowed.

It has now turned into an extension of shock jock radio.

It's sad, honestly. I thought this board would be a good place for IU hoops discussion, but I'm consistently disappointed by the low quality discourse.

 

[MikeHoncho69]

Granted, some of the negative posters are disappointed about the Hoosiers not living up to expectations, and do not have it in their hearts to be positive and hopeful, but...

some of the most negative are PUke or pUKe trolls, some are leftover RMK only fans who only cheered for the Hoosiers because of him, and will never get over his firing, and some...

Purdue/Kentucky fans who stalk this board must have very enriching lives...

 

[snarlcakes]

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

Most of the board is optimistic. Try posting something that isn't positive (or negative) about Archie and see how posters treat you. I do agree people should be able to state opinions without being attacked (I'm trying to do better myself). The boards discourse is awful.

 

[iubud]

It's sad, honestly. I thought this board would be a good place for IU hoops discussion, but I'm consistently disappointed by the low quality discourse.

Liberal use of the ignore button is the only way I can continue to come here. Obvious trolls are allowed to post. I suppose the traffic is good for the site. I don't mind questioning a coach's specific methods or actions. I don't mind criticism of a player's shortcomings. The people I ignore are the ones calling for a coaching change or saying IU made a mistake without evidence. Simply saying the coach sucks is not enough. Why does he suck? Give me examples. It isn't that we lost 12/13. What did the coach do to be solely responsible for that? (These aren't questions I am necessarily asking for answers to, just suggestions for those I haven't ignored yet).

There are those that think we should have hired the coach they wanted. Because of that, they are going to give Archie a ridiculous amount of time to turn the roster over and build experience with his team.

It is sometimes hard to follow a thread because you only see responses to the trolls, but it is still worth it to not waste your time. I immediately a low count PUke or pUKe poster with a disrespectful or really stupid post. I have ignored the trolls disguised as an IU fan. I have ignored those that can't find one thing positive about the team, or give no evidence for why they are so negative.

We are at the point that we will either begin to see the program start to change for the good or continue to struggle. I am betting we will improve simply because Archie is a good coach and I believe we have a coach once again that understands what a team needs to win. He will win or lose based on if he can get the players he needs.

 

[wawasee]

Archie shows up his best three point shooter leaves as does his two best interior players. He has zero time to recruit. He recruits one class and has issues with some of the players on the current roster. To listen to some posters he is a failure. They never played or coached.. This is gonna take a little while to turn it around.

 

[Columbus-Boiler]

To post on the internet, it's no different on our boards, you just have to have a thick skin. Just don't worry about what some people say, reply and converse with people who have something interesting to say.

If you're on a train for an hour, do you walk up to some loud mouthed jackass and try to have an intelligent conversation? No, you ignore them and talk to people who are more reasonable. (or you decide the train just isn't worth it)

Saying after 2 years Archie may not be the guy is a reasonable opinion.

Saying after 2 years Archie is gonna be the guy, he just needs more time is a reasonable opinion.

Discussing it is reasonable. Being a jackass to people who disagree is when you hit the ignore button.

 

[Chicago-bound Hoosier]

Purdue/Kentucky fans who stalk this board must have very enriching lives...

don't kid yourself...plenty of jaded IU fans over on GBI as well...only difference there is that the mods will zap your ass if they even catch a whiff of you not being on board the CMP train.

We really need some good news (Hunter is healthy, Brunk says yes, another good transfer coming, some of the HS heavies in 2020 class leaning our way). Much needed after the past 4 months.

 

[iubud]

Archie shows up his best three point shooter leaves as does his two best interior players. He has zero time to recruit. He recruits one class and has issues with some of the players on the current roster. To listen to some posters he is a failure. They never played or coached.. This is gonna take a little while to turn it around.

We have a lot of "ifs" going into next year with 3 open spots to fill. Assuming good health, I like the core of RP, Hunter, Thompson and TJD to build on over the next 2 years. Getting a good transfer or recruits over the next 2 years will give us a pretty good team. We have some players that can be very good off the bench in those 2 years. Durham, Smith, and hopefully contributions from Franklin and Brunk would be a pretty good rotation. It is a little scary putting the programs hopes on only 2 players that have actually played in a game, but Archie can handle it.

 

[wawasee]

We have a lot of "ifs" going into next year with 3 open spots to fill. Assuming good health, I like the core of RP, Hunter, Thompson and TJD to build on over the next 2 years. Getting a good transfer or recruits over the next 2 years will give us a pretty good team. We have some players that can be very good off the bench in those 2 years. Durham, Smith, and hopefully contributions from Franklin and Brunk would be a pretty good rotation. It is a little scary putting the programs hopes on only 2 players that have actually played in a game, but Archie can handle it.

I think Green continues to improve and hopefully Smith becomes more consistent.. A grad transfer who can shoot would be a big plus..

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Archie shows up his best three point shooter leaves as does his two best interior players. He has zero time to recruit. He recruits one class and has issues with some of the players on the current roster. To listen to some posters he is a failure. They never played or coached.. This is gonna take a little while to turn it around.

Did you play or coach at the college level?

 

[ericrossiu]

Had a change of heart about Archie once I learned some of the issues that went on this season internally.

I think IU will be enjoying high level success in next cpl years or so and it will continue for a cpl decades.

These schools will, if haven’t already, go through a very bad spell once the coaches move on due to age or other issues.

Us IU fans have been through a lot, I truly think we are headed in a positive direction. What coaches will replace the HOFs in the list below? And keep them at a high level. Uconn is already suffering.

Duke
Unc
Uconn
Syracuse
MSU

 

[wawasee]

Did you play or coach at the college level?

I have several family members who have coached at the high school level. Two who coached in college. One who coached in the NBA and was also a general manager. The same person is in the Indiana hall of fame. When you are around people like that you learn a awful lot about basketball..

 

[MikeHoncho69]

To post on the internet, it's no different on our boards, you just have to have a thick skin. Just don't worry about what some people say, reply and converse with people who have something interesting to say.

If you're on a train for an hour, do you walk up to some loud mouthed jackass and try to have an intelligent conversation? No, you ignore them and talk to people who are more reasonable. (or you decide the train just isn't worth it)

Saying after 2 years Archie may not be the guy is a reasonable opinion.

Saying after 2 years Archie is gonna be the guy, he just needs more time is a reasonable opinion.

Discussing it is reasonable. Being a jackass to people who disagree is when you hit the ignore button.

Amen. One of the most well-reasoned responses I've read.

 

[MikeHoncho69]

Had a change of heart about Archie once I learned some of the issues that went on this season internally.

I think IU will be enjoying high level success in next cpl years or so and it will continue for a cpl decades.

These schools will, if haven’t already, go through a very bad spell once the coaches move on due to age or other issues.

Us IU fans have been through a lot, I truly think we are headed in a positive direction. What coaches will replace the HOFs in the list below? And keep them at a high level. Uconn is already suffering.

Duke
Unc
Uconn
Syracuse
MSU

I certainly think all sports -- particularly college sports -- are cyclical in nature. There's not one organization/program that has always been successful or always been mediocre. Sure, some of the down periods last longer than we'd like, but there's light at the end of the tunnel.

Those who believe Archie should be fired have a right to express that opinion. My question for those individuals would be which coach could IU sign today who would be an improvement over Archie? I'm not intending for this to become yet another Archie thread. It's just food for thought.

 

[MikeHoncho69]

To add on to my original post, I'd like to mention that I don't have any issue with any poster questioning coaching decisions or lamenting on poor effort or performance from any player. Hell, even I've been frustrated at many times over the past two seasons.

However, I know that at some point, IU will climb back to college basketball's mountain top. It won't be next season, and it likely won't be the season after. But in my heart of hearts, I know it's coming if we can stick it out and ride out the storm.

 

[iubud]

I have several family members who have coached at the high school level. Two who coached in college. One who coached in the NBA and was also a general manager. The same person is in the Indiana hall of fame. When you are around people like that you learn a awful lot about basketball..

I have a family member that played and coached college basketball at the juco and D2 levels. He is going back to coach his old high school program and stop moving around. The inside information you can learn and how the backgrounds of the coaches are tied together is very interesting.

For example, this family member coached a couple of years ago with a Juco head coach that was Tom Crean's roommate at WKU. The coach he worked for was also very close to Calipari and had a bitter feud with Pitino. Pitino went around this coach when trying to recruit a player from his program. As a result, the coach called Calipari and the player ended up as a juco transfer to UK partly to screw Pitino. Crean was also recruiting the player.

Another story was the family member's former coach's reaction when Crean called for video on Tijan Jobe. The coach asked Crean if he wanted video of a 2 point performance or a 3 point game. The coach did not expect Crean or any major conference interest in Jobe. Crean was the butt of many jokes in that program. I doubt Crean could have ever been able to get the coach to steer a player to Crean after being that dumb.

 

[PranksterMary]

Granted, some of the negative posters are disappointed about the Hoosiers not living up to expectations, and do not have it in their hearts to be positive and hopeful, but...

some of the most negative are PUke or pUKe trolls, some are leftover RMK only fans who only cheered for the Hoosiers because of him, and will never get over his firing, and some...

Most of the posters who tilt very positive appear to be more casual fans, while the very negative group look to be more of the junkies or aficionados. Not sure how accurate that is in every case, but the more upbeat, the more casual, the less upbeat, the more serious and knowledgeable. Should be plenty of room for all to respectfully post, the pack pursuit that you see among some is bad.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Most of the posters who tilt very positive appear to be more casual fans, while the very negative group look to be more of the junkies or aficionados. Not sure how accurate that is in every case, but the more upbeat, the more casual, the less upbeat, the more serious and knowledgeable. Should be plenty of room for all to respectfully post, the pack pursuit that you see among some is bad.

Very convenient categorizing, faux TMP.

I could just as easily say that the more negative posters seem to skew towards living at home in their parents' basements, while the more positive ones are obviously living in the adult world based in reality...and I could make that statement with the same amount of proof.

 

[PranksterMary]

Very convenient categorizing, faux TMP.

I could just as easily say that the more negative posters seem to skew towards living at home in their parents' basements, while the more positive ones are obviously living in the adult world based in reality...and I could make that statement with the same amount of proof.

Your claim as that negative posters didn’t have it in their hearts to be positive or hopeful, which may be the case. I think the more extreme positive posters don’t show much basketball knowledge, which is borne out when reading the forum. The pack mentality is all over your signature. Just one gal’s opinion.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

Your claim as that negative posters didn’t have it in their hearts to be positive or hopeful, which may be the case. I think the more extreme positive posters don’t show much basketball knowledge, which is borne out when reading the forum. The pack mentality is all over your signature. Just one gal’s opinion.

So, RMK is part of the "pack mentality"? Interesting.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

I have several family members who have coached at the high school level. Two who coached in college. One who coached in the NBA and was also a general manager. The same person is in the Indiana hall of fame. When you are around people like that you learn a awful lot about basketball..

This is the problem I have with 'optimistic' posters. They always bitch about posters who are 'less optimistic' and get around to either the "They never played or coached" (as you did, although you have neither played nor coached) or the "You're not a true fan" mantras.

 

[wawasee]

This is the problem I have with 'optimistic' posters. They always bitch posters who are 'less optimistic' and get around to either the "They never played or coached" (as you did, although you have neither played nor coached) or the "You're not a true fan" mantras.

I played basketball but not at the college level. I have also coached and scouted teams. But not at the college level. I am a realist. You gonna give Archie a little time. If you fire a every couple of years you won't attract anybody worth a spit. Also I have a family member on a board at IU..

 

[Hatchets7times]

The ignorance of basketball on this board is like grass.
It's all around us.

 

[bailey777]

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

The problem is the posters like you then rip those of us who are not as optimistic and do not see it through rose colored glasses. Sorry but you cannot have it both ways.

 

[mcmurtry66]

This is the problem I have with 'optimistic' posters. They always bitch about posters who are 'less optimistic' and get around to either the "They never played or coached" (as you did, although you have neither played nor coached) or the "You're not a true fan" mantras.

Exactly, or declare them trolls or something called stupidbear in my case implying I have a fake account or multiple accounts or whatever. i have no idea who this bear poster is, but whatever. i think it's human nature for some of us to complain. I'm certainly guilty of it. i hadn't posted much in years, but was frustrated with the season etc and had to start a new account/id so that i could post for the sole purpose of complaining. I couldn't remember my old login id and password. It really doesn't do any good. It's better to support the coach or stay quiet as little gets done on a message board, if anything.

I will say that the board has definitely been a wake up call. Lots of posters quick to make personal attacks. Very little meaningful discussion. I guess there aren't mods anymore? It was certainly a better board back in the peegs days. speaking of, where are some of those posters? Bloom? Rockport Zebra, etc.... I guess it's been longer than I've thought that I paid attention to the board.

 

[ThreeToMakeTwo]

Since I began regularly posting on this board a few months ago, I've noticed a striking amount of negativity and, at times, downright nastiness from a number of posters. It goes without saying that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but what I can't ever stand behind is attacking an individual on this board for having an optimistic outlook of the IU basketball program.

Whether you think Archie Miller is the greatest thing since sliced bread or you can't even stand the sight of him, have a level of respect and common decency toward other posters. I understand the first two seasons of the Miller era haven't exactly been a great time, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with having a positive outlook on where the program is headed.

What’s wrong with being an optimistic fan? You get tagged by all the losers on this board as endorsing ‘mediocrity’.

 

[hondo314]

What’s wrong with being an optimistic fan? You get tagged by all the losers on this board as endorsing ‘mediocrity’.

it's a surprisingly small number of hate mongers who just...post...a...lot. i'm ignoring exactly 7 pieces of poo at the moment and my feed looks pretty good....

 

[hondo314]

Your claim as that negative posters didn’t have it in their hearts to be positive or hopeful, which may be the case. I think the more extreme positive posters don’t show much basketball knowledge, which is borne out when reading the forum. The pack mentality is all over your signature. Just one gal’s opinion.

please point us to the "extreme" positive posters...lol

arguing that Archie deserves the benefit of the doubt for a couple more years qualifies as "extreme" for the zombie crew...

this is basically the "there are bad people on both sides" argument that America is saddled with at the moment. good times.

but it's not really much of an argument. simply put, you're a troll or just emotionally stunted trash if you are playing the howling monkey routine after Archie's first two years at IU....pure f****** trash.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Most of the posters who tilt very positive appear to be more casual fans, while the very negative group look to be more of the junkies or aficionados. Not sure how accurate that is in every case, but the more upbeat, the more casual, the less upbeat, the more serious and knowledgeable. Should be plenty of room for all to respectfully post, the pack pursuit that you see among some is bad.

There’s a huge load of BS there. Most of our more negative posters are some of the dumbest people ever to post here. They not only know little about basketball, half no little about posting in legible English. They’re just not very smart. A perfect example is you. You want everyone to think you’re a new poster with an new poster’s perspective. However, it would take an idiot to believe that the other posters here don’t know that you’re one of the group of always negative posters using another name. That’s just not very smart of you.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

it's a surprisingly small number of hate mongers who just...post...a...lot. i'm ignoring exactly 7 pieces of poo at the moment and my feed looks pretty good....

Seven posters that also post under other names, like “PranksterMary.”

 

[CriticArisen]

I have several family members who have coached at the high school level. Two who coached in college. One who coached in the NBA and was also a general manager. The same person is in the Indiana hall of fame. When you are around people like that you learn a awful lot about basketball..

Nice answer. This family member sounds like Bobby Leonard who actually hit the winning shot for the 1953 championship. Am I right?

 

[YOTHN]

Most of the posters who tilt very positive appear to be more casual fans, while the very negative group look to be more of the junkies or aficionados. Not sure how accurate that is in every case, but the more upbeat, the more casual, the less upbeat, the more serious and knowledgeable. Should be plenty of room for all to respectfully post, the pack pursuit that you see among some is bad.

This right here is an example of a post this post is talking about. To claim the people who are positive are "casual fans" and then say the negative ones are "knowledgeable" implying that the positive fans are not knowledgeable. I think it's the other way around, personally. It's the near sighted ones who sway instantly on results and formulate uneducated opinions to justify their anger. While the other "casual fans" understand what goes into building a program.

This passive aggressive nonsense is what removes all validity from your posts. Consider yourself ignored.

 

[YOTHN]

This is the problem I have with 'optimistic' posters. They always bitch about posters who are 'less optimistic' and get around to either the "They never played or coached" (as you did, although you have neither played nor coached) or the "You're not a true fan" mantras.

Every one, huh? When you generalize like this, you again, make your posts worthless. So keep proving all those "optimists" right. Optimist posters bitch? Optimist posters are defending themselves from the negative nancies, such as yourself. Don't twist that up.

 

[YOTHN]

The ignorance of basketball on this board is like grass.
It's all around us.

You must be referring to the PU fans?

 

[CriticArisen]

I have several family members who have coached at the high school level. Two who coached in college. One who coached in the NBA and was also a general manager. The same person is in the Indiana hall of fame. When you are around people like that you learn a awful lot about basketball..

Gregg Popovich is close to these criteria but you used coached rather than is coaching.

 

[fpeaugh]

IMO there’s a huge difference between being reasonably optimistic and just pumping never ending blind irrational sunshine every day regardless of reality. Those of us who were around in the early Crean days have seen this video before and we know how it ends.

It’s also laughable how some of the sunshine pumpers talk about other programs who are clearly superior to us right now. It’s just not reality. And some people will never learn.

 

[wawasee]

Nice answer. This family member sounds like Bobby Leonard who actually hit the winning shot for the 1953 championship. Am I right?

No you aren't. Love Bobby Leonard though..