After defending Archie for 3.5 years, I’ve realized decided to only give the benefit of the doubt to those who earn it with results. I blindly hoped Archie would turn it around, but the red flags were there from his first few seasons.
Why is everyone so down on this team?
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I understand. You give no credit to Woodson bringing IU back to the tourney in his first year and no credence to a 10-3 record.
I see some concerns as well, but will wait and see how this team responds moving forward. I am not somebody easily scorned as you, so I will try to keep that in mind.
I agree with the comment about results. At the end of the day, that is what is expected.
And I would agree, but based on what we've seen so far it's looking like 6-8 or worse.
That's not a fact. Unless you have the powers of divination and can unerringly read the future.
Are you Nostradumbass?
easyyyyy! He doesn’t qualify, and is on a 2 week break.
Well the rim protection has a bad back and the ball pressuring PG has a broken foot. When you lose your two most important parts to defense, the defense tends to suffer ...
Good news on X, he is very motivated to come back asap, would be shocked if he doesnt come back a bit before schedule. Already started rehab.
Now I wonder if he predicted that?
It'll take him a bit to get up to speed .. figure 6 weeks minimum puts him into mid Feb.
I'm anxious to see what the team looks like after a month without him. If JHS, TB and TG all show major improvement we'll probably be fine. Getting TJD at 100% would only help. JHS and TB are trending up,
Bates is starting to get it, hope it continues. JHS just needs to tighten up his game a bit.
Trey losses his aggressiveness and impact when put in with starting group and or as the lead guard. He needs to stay aggressive..
I hope so but game condition will be a factor as well with having to be off his foot. Wonder some times if all the new light high tech shoes need a bit more heft in the soles? Not saying that was the cause but just wonder
Not saying there are (or not) examples of culture change with this team, but what generally would be examples of culture change?
Going into the season they were option 1 and 2 offensively as well. We haven't been truly full strength since North Carolina.
Xavier .. Look back on recordings if you can and look at the difference in TJD's extension at the rim, the explosiveness, the difference in quickness on the spin and dribble.
Before UNC he was exploding into rim attempts.. since, when in the block he's throwing up weak shit, no extension, no explosiveness. Not going over, around and through defenders like he did early in the season.
There's a noticeable difference. UNC wasn't that bad, Kansas game he was obviously hampered even though he had 9 blocks..
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For sure. If he cant come back 100% it is gonna be tough ask for IU to do damage in March
No question that Trayce was struggling, became obvious when he suddenly stopped sprinting up and down the Court. Also no question that IU is a different Team on both ends without him at 100%, so all the crap about firing Woodson for under-performing is just that.
TJD is central to what IU is on offense and defense, to what Woodson and Co. have crafted, to what the Team is geared to do best - small wonder that they've struggled without him being able to bring his A game, not just performance-wise but mentally as well. Rather see him sit until he's 100% ready than come back sub-par if only so I don't have to read anymore BS about the sorry state of IU's basketball "culture".
IU had three major injuries resulting in lost starter minutes to our top 3 players, and some fans are wondering about and complaining that our offense, defense, and performance have suffered.
Silly fans ...
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He has definitely been less explosive. Even with UNC you could see him moving a little more gingerly but he was still able to go. Missing these past 2 games and then almost 2 weeks off, kind of hoping that helps the healing process a bit. We will struggle against any decent team if he and Johnson are both out.
Im not necessarily “down” on this team. I was hoping we would be a top 10 team and play ourselves into a 2 seed. It looks like we’re more a top 20ish team and will end up around a 5 seed. We did get our a#%es kicked in the Rutgers and Kansas games, which was disappointing.
When was Archie 10-3? Never? If TJD was getting cortisone shots before the UNC game, maybe, just maybe he's been playing hurt the whole time. You lose JHS, X, and TJD has likely been playing at less than 100%. That would certainly take the wind out of their sails.
None of these players have seen good, consistent leadership and what it takes to compete in the NCAA tournament. You were fooling yourself if you expected AZ and KU wins. Rutgers was a trap game. Purdue beat some teams early and will settle into the middle of the top 25 much like Rutgers last year.
IU started 11-1 in ‘19-‘20 and 12-2 in ‘18-‘19.
Starts haven’t been the problem. Losing streaks in conference play have been for this program.
I'm pretty down after the way we've played at Rutgers and KS. 10-3 doesn't surprise me with the schedule we had, and losing at Rutgers I guess is understandable as they are really tough there, but to not show up and start both that game and KS with so little energy was disheartening. I'd bought into the hype and thought we could take a step back towards respectability and national relevance with this team, but those 2 games made that hope take a serious hit.
Down is a relative term, I guess. The hype train was rolling, and now it’s slowed a little.
One thing to keep in mind. The nature of forums is people would rather vent than celebrate. I would suggest that if IU went 27-3 it would be much quieter here than if they went 3-27.
I think the two keys to this year's team taking the next step and winning the league, the league tourney or winning a couple of games in the NCAA is going to come down to toughness and in-game coaching adjustments. I have not seen great progress on either front this year. Rutgers has out-toughed us for years and they did it again. We have to bring the fight every night and I do not see it. We have to grind and I do not see it. And we have to adjust our game plan and get more motion and action off the ball if we want to be hard to guard and I do not see it.
We still have the talent and time left this year to make a great run and gel. But at this point I am not optimistic that we find a win to win the league, win the B10 tourney or make the 2nd weekend of the NCAA. One of those would be nice.
And one of the three has played in pain since the fourth game.
I do agree with Bloom though, that Woody needs to create more movement and screening off-ball.
Being a PU fan doesn’t qualify as getting banned. And a bunch of PU posters that have name called or violated rules have got banned.
Agree on part 1. Destewart even Gilligan aren't trolls.
So arcb, Torbin, ordy, boilpotato and all the nonposting "like" cockroaches are gone per part 2. Those are simply interlopers and far worse than BIG FAN
Thx
We have as a university been very hamstrung by poor AD decisions:
Coaching Hires and Contract Extensions are the tools any AD uses to make his or her mark- we have had misses in both respects for a long while now, and that’s with giving Woody a passing grade for the moment.
True and given this season is likely one we point to as expecting success- next year might be a step back with no Race, Trayce, possibly X….so I’m guessing after year three Woody record might look a bit more like that of CAM-
don't ban anyone.... locker room rules and we beat the sh!t out of those who annoy us the most.
Hmmmm . . . and here I thought CMW was upgrading the roster with better recruiting and development. (Duncomb is clearly better than I'd hoped for . . . Banks looks like he'll be a solid wing in a year . . . Gunn is aptly named, IMHO.
I hope X isn't the best PG we'll see during his tenure.
Our expectations were always a little inflated. This is still a good team, possibly a top 5 seed. But we’re built around a big man who can’t score outside the paint and a point guard who is highly erratic. Everyone else is a role player or too young at this point.
X isn't even the best PG on our roster! The right coach can turnaround a team pretty quickly if that's who you hire, but with no college coaching experience (Musselman), no AAU connections (former coaches who know they're coming back), or be a household name (Juwann Howard), CMW was not going to be a "quick turnaround" guy. I think his recruiting has actually been the most impressive thing he's done in getting someone like a Tamar Bates and Reaneau late and JHS along with Gunn and Banks.
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