Why is everyone so down on this team?
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Woodson imo .
Is a notch better than both..Miller & Crean.
But not close to the momentum we would have.. With a Oats or Musselman..
He needs not only to win..But win Big !
Times limited..
Referring to Archie, "No one else on our team had a relationship with him, it was almost like they were afraid of him and afraid to talk with him. With Coach Woodson it is more open arms, I want you to come in and talk to me, how you are, how you're feeling. He loves to be around us."
-Trayce Jackson-Davis on Hoosier Hysterics Podcast
You mentioned Knight returning when Archie was coach. Who brought Knight back, was it Archie? Here's a hint, who is Knight standing next to and holding onto in the picture?
Even though Woodson certainly has changed the culture, it doesn't mean he's the right guy for the job. I was highly critical of Woody last season and still am today. Do I think he is the one that will take us to Final Fours, no I don't. But at the same time, it is foolish to claim that he hasn't improved the program's culture.
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Okay… and how has that helped us win more games? Rocketo suggested Woodson was brought in to change the culture to pass off to another coach. Why would we not just bring in a long term hire and let them change the culture to what they want it to be?
Dolson choked with this hire.
We are a top 20 type of team in year 2. Woodson is most likely to be a bridge to whatever comes next. Final Fours do not grow on trees and quite frankly there is no apparent "next great thing" out there on the coaching circuit that isn't already tied up at a job they are unlikely to leave.
Your expectations are unrealistic. This isn't 1989 unfortunately.
If we finished 3-5 in the BIG10 this year most would take it, unfortunately this looks like a team that will struggle to make the tournament.
The Rutgers game was an abomination, the team showed zero heart in the second half and that's a bad sign.
16-15 his first year Nate Oats? 19-14 in year 3 Nate Oats? He had a good year 2 but "only" made Sweet 16. Musselman was 20-12 in year 1. In year 2 he started 10-4 and lost to the only 2 ranked teams they had played at that point.
You guys need to let things play out.
Win more games than who? Archie? That has happened almost immediately.
My expectations?? We were the consensus pick to win the Big Ten. I cautioned during the off-season that I’ll believe it when I see it since we’ve won the off-season many times before. We have the talent. I haven’t been impressed with the coaching.
As for who is out there, Jay Wright doesn’t have a job. Billy Donovan looks to be close to not having a job. Back the Brinks truck up.
The goal was not to just be better than Archie (at least I’m assuming that wasn’t Dolson’s goal). The goal (again, assuming here) was to make IU relevant in the national conversation again.
Literally not one person in college basketball isn't talking about IU. If IU finishes 5th, and TJD shits the bed, have this conversation. It's ok to have some cause for concern, saying Dolson whiffed on Woody and he sucks is really stupid at this point. So stop looking for attention, or quit being dumb.
It's how you get guys to dig deep and play tough defense, and turn around what appeared to be another complete collapse at the end of last year. The book isn't written yet on this team, and I still believe we're going to see some surprisingly good basketball in the next couple months. This isn't last year's team, not even close. The sophs (include TG) and frosh are going to make a difference.
We're far more on brand with defense. Archie talked the talk, Mike is more walking the walk.
BTW, you might point to Kansas and Arizona as counterpoints. I hear you. And you might point to Kennesaw State too . . . that's a very experienced team. Their coach played high school ball at the same high school that Arrinton Page plays for now. The coach's brother, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, was an NBA all-star. Kennesaw State is in metro Atlanta . . . and is in a hotbed of basketball talent.
Jay Wright has publicly stated numerous times that he will not coach college basketball again. Billy Donovan likely turned down the IU job twice. Holtmann turned down the job. Oats turned down the job. Brad Stevens callously turned down the job. Who else?
Does NIL change the landscape enough to draw interest for IU? I don't know.
Lol define “literally not one person in college basketball isn’t talking about IU”. At the start of the year the talk was how the Big Ten runs through Bloomington. Now we are just the team that got blown out by Rutgers, Arizona, and Kansas.
This team’s issue is not TJD. He’s the only elite player we have. Coaching is the biggest issue with this team. You don’t hear it because you go to the games (that’s a good thing), but the commentators both during the game and at halftime consistently ask what IU is even trying to accomplish on offense. The offensive system is just so bad.
I haven’t seen good defense in a long time from this group. Nor have I seen the toughness to turnaround a complete collapse. We gave up in 3 games already.
I wasn’t aware that Donovan, Holtmann, or Oats were ever offered the job. Interesting…🙄.
Stevens very much considered a 10 year $70 million contract. Lay an extra $3 million per year at his feet and see if he turns that down.
I disagree that we have up in the Rutgers or Arizona game. We were ahead late in the second half against Rutgers, and outscored Arizona the final 30 minutes of the game.
I was referring to the turnaround last year in the BTT. You were questioning whether Woodson's relationship with the players translated to wins. I would argue it's why we were able to make the tournament last year.
The BTT turnaround came after a 17 point deficit to Michigan. If Michigan doesn’t choke that game away, we would have been NIT bound just like we were under Archie. An unlikely 17 point comeback to make the tournament doesn’t make me think Woodson is a significant upgrade to Archie. I think we are marginally better under Woodson. I don’t think we will be competing for deep tournament runs. That’s ultimately what the goal is. Nothing else matters.
You know what they say about ifs and buts. One step at a time, starting with being competitive for the conference title. Let's see how that plays out.
Next season needs to be better than this season. It's pretty simple or Woodson isn't the guy.
It may be awhile before we have the same combo of talent and experience. It needs to be this year
You don’t even know the end results of this year and you are making this statement?
How is 4-5 okay?! We were the preseason favorite and the Big Ten is awful this year. We are going to lose a bunch of guys in the off-season and only have two mid tier ranked guards coming in (one that hasn’t played in like a year). This is the year for Woodson to prove he belongs. Barring a mass incoming of transfers, next year will be pretty weak.
You have your opinion and I have mine. I know you can’t stand someone having an opinion, but get over yourself. And this has NOTHING ATL do with next year. Stop projecting your bullshit in every post.
So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?
Fact: we were 9th last year.
Fact: you said finishing 4-5 this year was okay.
Fact: we will be worse next year with all of the players we are losing.
So Fact: you think finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10 is acceptable in Woodson’s first 3 years.
Absolutely horrible.
Still waiting for you to tell me where I said “So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
So you think we won’t be worse next year after losing:
XJ
Kopp
Race
And Likely:
TJD
JHS
Geronimo
???
You must have a hard time with direct questions. I’ll try again…
Still waiting for you to tell me where I said “So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
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