His entire argument is based on assumptions that he considers fact.
The fact is, the Hoosiers are 10-3 and ranked 18 in the country in December of year 2 for CMW.
Not the time to decide if CMW is or isn’t “the guy”
Why is everyone so down on this team?
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The fact is, the Hoosiers are 10-3 and ranked 18 in the country in December of year 2 for CMW.
Not the time to decide if CMW is or isn’t “the guy”
Exactly. He will require very specific examples without thought of his own, then turn around and expect everyone to take his assumption as fact. He is a troll and simply targets components of what you say in an attempt to get a rise. Rinse and repeat.
I tried to give him/it the benefit of a doubt, but he/it did nothing but confirm my suspicion.
You called out his BS quickly
Im really not down on the Team but fact is We were top 15 on Offense and Defense and now We are not Top 30 in Either! This is concerning and We don't even Resemble the Team that beat NC ! Where has Our Defense and Ball Pressure gone?
I don’t disagree with your assessment. But it is a very short term outlook, and I don’t discount the early games we have played or the fact that we have been dealing with injuries.
It takes time to adjust when your best players are out or not 100%, and I just don’t feel the doom is justified.
If we don’t recover, that’s a different conversation
I thought I was clear that you didn’t specifically say that. I didn’t realize I needed to spell it out for you. You did say you would be fine with 4-5 this year and we should be significantly worse next year.
How is my entire argument based on assumptions? The only assumption is that we will be worse next year than we are this year.
Nope.
Still waiting for you to tell me where I said “So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
Lol you didn’t say that. You did say you would be fine with 4-5 this year. We also finished 9th last year. Can we agree on those two facts to start?
You’re also assuming where we finish this year.
We could win the B1G this year and get a 1 or 2 seed. We could lose every game for the rest of the season. Nobody knows so we assess where we’re at right now. Right now I don’t want to fire CMW so I’m just gonna let this thing play out and hope he gets some things figured and the team starts rolling.
Why are we speculating about where we finish next season in an attempt to prove or disprove that Woodson was a good hire?
Makes so sense.
No, I’m not assuming where we finish at all. You should re-read the thread. Rocketo said he would be “ok” with a 4-5 finish this year. That’s what sparked the entire 4-5 debate. I have given no assumption of a finishing position other than 4-5 is not “ok”.
Why can’t you ever admit that you misspoke? I feel like we could have some good conversation, but you seem to nitpick a single component and you require some very specific evidence and then never hold yourself to the same accountability.
If you are truly an IU fan, I simply want to engage, but felt I need to prove a point. You continued to throw conjecture into the equation where you would never accept such.
I am willing to hit the reset button with you, but unless you are as well, I will simply hold a hard line.
But your position in this thread has been pretty obvious. You don’t think Woodson is the guy. Some of that is based on your assumption of the future.
Others are saying it’s to early to determine that.
The fact that you want to argue whether or not another fan would be ok with Woodson finishing 7th in the B1G in 2024 makes you seem like a troll.
Are you fvcking kidding? Read the first line of my last post. “Lol you didn’t say that”. How the fvck is that not me admitting that you didn’t explicitly say what I said you did?
I don’t really GAF if we hit the reset button or not. You started a thread calling out those that are disappointed with how we have started the year. I pushed back and you pushed back on that. All that really matters is how we finish the year and what our off-season looks like. You have faith in Woodson, and I don’t. That’s really it.
Fine.
“So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
Point out exactly where I said that... I'll wait idiot
Ypu are making decisions on keeping a coach after just 1 and 1/3 years and you want GREAT RESULTS this year or next year. That is a very short amount of time. To me, the ingredients of a GREAT year include winning a Big 10 regular season championship and /or tournament, winning 25+ games and getting to a final four.
I don’t think Woodson is the guy, and it has nothing to do with my assumptions of the future. It has everything to do with what he has done to this point in his career. His one on one offense with mo set plays does not work. He’s playing too many bench players at the same time. He doesn’t make any in game adjustments. Todd and Wittman should not be getting paid $400k each to give input. They have 0 college experience. In short, his NBA style coaching has not proven very effective at the college level to this point.
I won’t dig into his laziness on the recruiting trail, because it seems he’s learned his lesson after flopping on most of his targets in the 2023 class.
Are you fvcking kidding me? Are you retarded? I literally said you didn’t say that in both of my last two posts. So stfu.
Still waiting on you to give examples of the culture change under Woodson, btw. You refuse to admit you were wrong there, but continue to insist I admit you never said something even though I’ve admitted it multiple times.
No need to throw a temper tantrum. I’m patient. So I still wait:
“So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
Point out exactly where I said that... I'll wait idiot
He’s only being held to a hire standard of “win now” due to his age. He doesn’t have time for a long rebuild at 64.
I agree those are a great season (except for the BTT which I don’t care about in the least). We were talking about what is acceptable this year. To me anything worse than 3rd in the Big Ten and having less than 1 win in the tournament is not acceptable.
He let his assistants do all the work and didn’t personally engage recruits soon enough. It’s been widely reported from multiple IU news mediums as well as those connected to the program. He has changed course with the 2024 and 2025 class and is personally engaging the recruits even now.
Sorry, didn’t realize I was engaging the mentally challenged. I will reach out to the Make a Wish people about getting you to a game this year. Maybe we can even get you a locker room tour.
Wow. Didn’t realize I was engaging with somebody filled with so much hatred.
But still
“So in his first 3 years, you would be cool with Woodson finishing 9th, 4-5, and 7-10?”
Point out exactly where I said that... I'll wait idiot
How is that not specific? Kaiser and Harris-Smith felt he didn’t engage them as much as Willard. That’s coming from IU media and a guy who runs one of IU’s two collectives.
He chose to go to Florida to vacation for his Birthday instead of going to the State title game Booker was playing in. Izzo and Painter were both courtside.
He chose to attend a wedding rather than attending spring AAU recruiting session. One of the 3 recruiting weekends he skipped in the spring/summer this off-season.
You want me to say it again?
You didn’t say that. Does that satisfy you?!
Will you now in turn give the examples of the culture change that has occurred under Woodson and why that was necessary to bring him in for a few years?
This thread is an exercise in futility. Culture is not soemthing that is easiy defined or identified. It is subjective and not objective. You see what you are looking for and the other poster sees what he is looking for. You have certain things that you value and he has things he values. If you value different things you will never be in agreement.
I didn’t say the culture changed. But I like the
Just throwing your shit back in your face…
You did say the culture changed, and the only example you provided was that Bob Knight came back to a game… which happened under Archie.
Oddly enough the Hysterics were probably the biggest reason Knight came back given that they got him to bluebird and he received a great welcome. I’m sure you don’t like them either.
The difference between what I did to you with your culture change BS and you asking me when you said a certain thing is that I admitted I was wrong (multiple times). You aren’t man enough to do that.
I agree with this.
Here is what I am thinking (guessing B1G sees this):
All good. I hope Woodson proves you wrong.
Ok. ****. I see culture changing. I see Woodson trying to change the culture.
https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/mik...highly-of-him-and-his-iu-players-now-see-why/
https://www.insidethehall.com/2021/...sons-personality-is-driving-indianas-culture/
There are other articles I read that I can’t find in a quick search, but Woodson remembers and stays connected with people.
He wants to build a family and I respect his approach. I really hope he is successful and so far there is no real reason to doubt him IMO
I hope Woodson proves me wrong too. The ONLY thing I care about is IU having great years. I don’t care who the players are, coaches are, or style of play is as long as we are competing for big ten championships and making deep runs in the tournament. I will continue to be critical of players, coaches, and style of play if it appears we are not competing for Big Ten titles and making deep runs in the tournament.
I suppose you are just quicker to the trigger than I am. But I believe we are reasonably aligned
Changing the culture is a Woodson talking point. Sorta like inside out recruiting with Archie. None of it matters without results.
I will hope that you read my previous post and we can end this.
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